FFXV broke even on dev costs in first 24 hours, JRPGs are dead.

Final Fantasy 15 Broke Even On Development Costs In First 24 Hours

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http://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15-broke-even-on-development-costs-i/1100-6447626/

RIP in peace, weaboo gaming trash. Your development helled emo rockstar "games" will never go anywhere.

This and Pokemon and Yakuza 0 and The Last Guardian and Resident Evil 7 and Nioh and Nier Automata and Zelda and Persona and-

Remind me how Japanese games are dead again? lol

@charizard1605: Everything else though,pretty dead. >.>

This is like one of the most Western FF games ever.

@charizard1605: RE7 has a western writer, Nioh is rooted in Dark Souls and Diablo (both whose roots are in Ultima Underworld).

And FFXV is no match for The Witcher 3 commercially and critically.

This is very significant, given the game was in development for more than a decade.

People tried to say the same thing about Kojima and how he supposedly bankrupted Konami, but then MGSV made back all of the development costs and more within the first day.

And yet they are Japanese made games

Two consoles (including the market leader) are Japanese, the most successful VR headset is Japanese, four of the five highest rated games of the generation are Japanese, both handhelds are Japanese, the most anticipated game of this year is Japanese...

@charizard1605: Yeah but...other than that though,pretty dead.

lol

Sounds great. Awesome news!! I can't wait for Persona 5 now that I'm playing Persona 4 and really liking it.. More Japanese games the better!

You couldn't be more wrong about Souls and Nioh.

The RPG elements of those and the gameplay are largely inspired by the Monster Hunter series - and don't forget that From Software had already been making Kingsfield in the 90s, which the Souls games still have elements of. In fact, when making Demons Souls, Miyazaki said it himself about Kingsfield and Monster Hunter. Additionally, Koei Tecmo even has their own sort of Monster Hunter called Toukiden.

But Sony relies on Western games and developers like Naughty Dog to have success. The other has tanked in console sales.

But these successful Japanese games relied on western ideas, hence why Soulsborne is so successful.

Nah, Western games are dead.

@texasgoldrush: Yes, and the west takes ideas from Japan. It's called globalization.

@Shewgenja:

Final Fantasy XV is too far from the weaboo spectrum to be in that category. This proves nothing. NOTHING, I TELLS YA!

Kings Field is Ultima Underworld Lite.

Its a basically a ripoff of Ultima Underworld that lacks the depth.

Final Fantasy I was the first videogame to feature a significant sidequest chain. A lot of things attributed to western games were, at one point, a staple of Japanese RPGs. The whole term 'JRPG' didn't really spring up until the PS2 era.

Right. The fact is that Japanese developers have played the primary historical role in popularizing video games and pioneering game design, no matter how anyone tries to spin it. The fact that devs build on each other is good! It brings us breakthroughs in game design like Resident Evil 4, which basically every third person shooter borrows from, or Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden, which have set the stage for 3d action.

But the West created the video game industry. Japan should be given credit for keeping it going, but the West were the pioneers.

Tomb Raider actually predates the games you listed when it comes to 3D action, once again, the West was first here.

Nocits has seen your post and does not approve.

Basically. All developers take from each other- the new Zelda is inspired by Far Cry, Skyrim, Dark Souls, and the original Zelda, that's two western games and two Japanese ones. GTA is supposed to have been inspired by Ocarina of Time and Mario 64, both Japanese games. Mass Effect 2, by Bioware's own admission, openly borrowed from Persona 4, a niche Japanese game.

All developers borrow from each other. Japanese developers borrow from western developers, western developers borrow from Japanese developers, Japanese developers borrow from Japanese developers, western developers borrow from western developers. It's how the industry, any industry, works.

And Zelda borrowed from and was influenced by Ultima.

The true fact of the matter however, is that Japanese games must Westernize to be global smashes now, while the West can ignore Japan and be successful.

Those aren't RPG's.

Zelda did not borrow from, and was not influenced by, Zelda. We have had this discussion before, you were wrong then, you are wrong now.

Dragon Quest borrowed from Wizardry, Final Fantasy borrowed from Dragon Quest, all JRPGs borrowed from Final Fantasy, so JRPGs can trace themselves back to cRPGs, sure. But Zelda is separate of this- it never had any influence derived from any other game, Miyamoto was literally making that up as he went along.

The title clearly says JRPG's are dead. Don't hijack the thread. You're better than that.

It was even on Conan's Clueless Gamer... Classic Shewgenja fail

Eh, didn't mean to hijack. Shewgenja's OP is sarcastic about the 'JRPGs are dead' brigade (he isn't saying they are, he is proving that they are not). I am extending that argument to 'Japanese games are dead!' They are not.

ALL RPGS ARE BASED ON D&D THEREFORE ALL JAPANESE RPGS ARE ACTUALLY WESTERN RPGS!!!!!

Wrong

Miyamoto himself listed Ultima as an influence (but he wasn't its biggest fan).

Dragon Quest borrows from Ultima as well and so does Final Fantasy.

WRPGs stick to its D&D roots for the most part. JRPGs are more about trying to get your numbers as high as you can and actually don't feature much role playing.

Except he didn't.

Grats, one of the worst most trashiest FF games is a success. : )

There are actually people trying to argue that games made by Japanese devs are not Japanese developed in the face of their success. If it wasn't so disturbing, it would be funny.

What do you guys have against Japanese developers? Does it really hurt you that bad that Japanese games are popular?

FFVII bandwagon jumpers don't have a say in this.

That´s pretty much how I always felt about JRPGs aside from very few exceptions,I like plenty of games in the genre but most of them(the ones I played at least)always felt more like adventure games with strategy(mostly turn based) elements rather than actual RPGs.

@texasgoldrush: nioh is rooted in ninja gaiden and akira kurosawa as well... And dark souls is made by a japanese dev.

You're not the first one to make that mistake when trying to demarcate "western" and "japanese" games.

Frankly, after playing Yakuza this weekend and unlocking the softcore sex scenes and training bitches to come correct with my money, I think western games are the ones that need to "man up". But hey, I am just one voice lost in an endless sea of stereotypes.

But FromSoft's games show easy influence with Looking Glass studio games such as Ultima Underworld with King's Field beiong basically a rip.

We are not saying that they aren't Japanese developed, we are saying that it uses western ideas to succeed.

@texasgoldrush: and western games use japanese ideas to succeed as well. The gameplay elements in dark souls, nioh etc. Are overwhelmingly japanese influenced.

But its foundations are western influenced.

Ultima Underworld was a game changer when it came to 3d world design.

Yakuza 0, Gravity Rush 2, Tales of Berseria, Resident Evil 7, Kingdom Heats 2.8 HD, and now Nioh. That's six great Japanese games that have launched this year, and the year itself isn't even six weeks old yet.

But hey, haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate...

But he did.

In a video I posted a thread back, he commented about how he was influenced by the Ultima character powering up for both Mario and Zelda.

At 50:17, he sates that he is influenced by Black Onix and Ultima.

...

So he was inspired by the idea of powering up (something that is neither in Mario nor Zelda), and somehow that means Zelda is derived from WRPGs?

@Shewgenja:

Noctis isn't weaboo enough. He's just a westernized, Japanese emo kid. Square Enix is the Diet Coke of weaboo.

And I am having fun fun fun in the sun sun sun!

Zelda, Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy, Souls, Persona, Nier, Nioh...

....yep, JRPGs look mighty healthy to me. This is just off the top of my head too, but these series/ games are huge names in our industry.

Crazy relevant!

Well, I mean, no there aren't any 4 ft 10 blondes with F cups getting stung from every direction by an octopus but a good time is still a good time.

ummmm. Mario and Zelda has powerups....and yes, Zelda was derived from influences from a WRPG.

@texasgoldrush: maybe the dungeon crawling component could have drawn inspiration from that game, but the gameplay doesn't even have a touch of that. Most western devs didn't start thinking about designing action rpgs to have actual action game-like game gameplay (attention to detail in startup and punish frames for weapon swings, hit detection via a pause, stun frames, boss or large enemies being more than just high damage high health sponges with different attack/defense properties etc.) until the 2000s. If you check out the people Ultima Underworld mostly influenced, its games like the elder scrolls series later down the line. In those games, none of the things I mention are given thought. You freely move and swing your weapon away without actually thinking about what is punishable or not, because the game isn't built like an action game. Nioh, Souls games (and while we're at it, Devil May Cry etc.) are built this way.

The games are overwhelmingly japanese influenced. Denying it is disingenuous at this point.