EU rules publishers cannot stop you reselling your downloaded games

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#1 TheShadowLord07
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sounds like a major blown against steam,origin and developers too

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#2 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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How the heck do I resell a downloaded game?
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How the heck do I resell a downloaded game?charizard1605
I'm wondering this too.
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#4 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Lol I'd love to see how this will be enforced.
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#5 parkurtommo
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How the heck do I resell a downloaded game?charizard1605
So basically it's selling the license (CD key for example).
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]How the heck do I resell a downloaded game?parkurtommo
So basically it's selling the license (CD key for example).

Sounds like it'd be a pain.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]How the heck do I resell a downloaded game?parkurtommo
I'm wondering this too.

Maybe if copy protection is taken out you'll see peeps selling flash memory loading with games for sale on ebay. Just a random thought, don't hurt me :P
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#8 Kinthalis
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Wow, the legislators need to get on this. Thsi is absolutley an outdated law/interpretation of a law. It is unworkable and unfeasable.

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#9 TheShadowLord07
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Wow, the legislators need to get on this. Thsi is absolutley an outdated law/interpretation of a law. It is unworkable and unfeasable.

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what do you mean by outdated law? i think this was passed today

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Wait,so this would mean Steam,and similiar services couldn't force you anymore to permanently tie your games to their DRM app?

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#11 parkurtommo
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Wait,so this would mean Steam,and similiar services couldn't force you anymore to permanently tie your games to their DRM app?

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Valve and EA trolled by EU :p
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#12 JohnF111
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This will result in nothing more than a terms of use change I'm betting.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]How the heck do I resell a downloaded game?parkurtommo
I'm wondering this too.

sell your account.
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#14 Shenmue_Jehuty
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This makes no sense. Yes they can't "stop" you, but that's because they woudn't have to. You can't sell a downloaded game and they know that. What a silly, outdated law...

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#15 nethernova
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This will result in nothing more than a terms of use change I'm betting. JohnF111
Derp, that's the whole point. Those terms of use are illegal and can't forbid you to sell your games, no matter what's in there.
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#16 WilliamRLBaker
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This makes no sense. Yes they can't "stop" you, but that's because they woudn't have to. You can't sell a downloaded game and they know that. What a silly, outdated law...

Shenmue_Jehuty
technically since the only method of selling your games would be to sell the account then it being your only avenue I believe its covered under the law by proxy I could be wrong.
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#17 Rocker6
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This makes no sense. Yes they can't "stop" you, but that's because they woudn't have to. You can't sell a downloaded game and they know that. What a silly, outdated law...

Shenmue_Jehuty

How so?

You separate and remove your game(license,CD-key,etc) from your Steam account,and transfer it to another user's account...

Sounds pretty doable to me,as long as these services make separating possible.And this law would force them into it...

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This makes no sense. Yes they can't "stop" you, but that's because they woudn't have to. You can't sell a downloaded game and they know that. What a silly, outdated law...

Shenmue_Jehuty
Did you people even read the article? It's basically about selling CD keys. "The ruling suggests that if you've bought a license for a game off your mate, you're within your rights to download it from the publisher's website."
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#19 parkurtommo
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But what about illegally generated CD keys?

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#20 JohnF111
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This makes no sense. Yes they can't "stop" you, but that's because they woudn't have to. You can't sell a downloaded game and they know that. What a silly, outdated law...

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It's very possible to sell a downloadable game, in fact it could be much easier than physical, imagine a button on Steam next to your games, you click this button labelled "Sell" and you put in a price you want for the game. Then you get possibly an option to sell it to someone personally or add it to maybe Steam Game Market and there you go.... The game disappears from your game list and you can no longer say you own that game. Easy!
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This makes no sense. Yes they can't "stop" you, but that's because they woudn't have to. You can't sell a downloaded game and they know that. What a silly, outdated law...Shenmue_Jehuty



It's not silly if you would do a little research first.

The judgment / precedent was based on dispute between Oracle and some German company called Usedsoft, which apparently has been buying out licenses from former customers of Oracle and reselling them. It's not all about games and games' DD. The ruling has been made for all kinds of software and methods of selling it and just because the games and games' DD currently don't have efficient means of reselling digital copies, it does not mean that other softwares don't either or that the decision might not be useful in future.

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Waltefmoney will be pleased. The EU bailing him out again :lol:
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How the heck do I resell a downloaded game?charizard1605
Nintendo is working on people to allow that on the Wii U.

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Hopefully this'll give it a good crack at being brought to NA.

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#25 Demonjoe93
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I didn't know you could resell downloaded games.

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#26 Epak_
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Take that Steam! This is only fair.

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#27 edidili
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"resell". The steam forums will be full of people trading their games with each other.

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#28 deactivated-660c2894dc19c
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How the heck do I resell a downloaded game?charizard1605

Probably means that Valve or others cannot ban you for selling your account, which Valve has done couple times in the past.

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Hmm, this seems interesting. Hopefully this passes on the US too, although I'm not too optimistic. Valve and EA will try their most to not let this pass.
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So how does this work? I mean, I can't sell a game i own on steam, because i'd have to sell my entire account. I guess the only way is to open a new account for each game purchase.

actually, on further thought, it would be smart for Valve to allow sales of their digital licences through steam, then they can take a cut (%) and its win win for them and gamers.

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So how does this work? I mean, I can't sell a game i own on steam, because i'd have to sell my entire account. I guess the only way is to open a new account for each game purchase.

actually, on further thought, it would be smart for Valve to allow sales of their digital licences through steam, then they can take a cut (%) and its win win for them and gamers.

Phazevariance

It is for some services that will allow you to sell digital copies of the games.

The Wii U is supposed to have a service where the user can sell used downloads to other users.

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#32 Click_Clock
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This is a huge punch to the face to Steam and its DRM bullsh*t! Down with DRM services like Steam, Origin etc..

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#33 Rocker6
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This is a huge punch to the face to Steam and its DRM bullsh*t! Down with DRM services like Steam, Origin etc..

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Yeah,let's hope this all goes well.No more games permanently locked on a DRM clients would be awesome :)

Also,this decision is made by The Court of Justice of the European Union,a court that has a very high legal power,so there's a good chance of this law going into effect.Only it will probably take a year or two for it to happen...

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So how does this work? I mean, I can't sell a game i own on steam, because i'd have to sell my entire account. I guess the only way is to open a new account for each game purchase.

actually, on further thought, it would be smart for Valve to allow sales of their digital licences through steam, then they can take a cut (%) and its win win for them and gamers.

Phazevariance

Well Steam can just transfer the game from your account to another one. That is easy but will Valve do it? There must be some kind of limitation so people don't abuse it though. Pay a fee for example for every resell you do.

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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]How the heck do I resell a downloaded game?charizard1605
So basically it's selling the license (CD key for example).

Sounds like it'd be a pain.

The ruling may require sellers of digitial content to provide tools to sell the content to other users.

That's a pretty awesome ruling.

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#36 deactivated-660c2894dc19c
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Hmm.. I just realized one thing: This ruling also means that future consoles can't stop used game sales in EU.

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#37 Rocker6
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Hmm.. I just realized one thing: This ruling also means that future consoles can't stop used game sales in EU.

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Good point :)

In any case,if the law properly goes into effect,this is a massive win for consumer rights!

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[QUOTE="Icarian"]

Hmm.. I just realized one thing: This ruling also means that future consoles can't stop used game sales in EU.

Rocker6

Good point :)

In any case,if the law properly goes into effect,this is a massive win for consumer rights!

Might bugger the DD industry and mean no more huge sales. No thanks I'm happy with it the way it is and my guess the majority of PC gamers are too. All too often legislation means a mess and this is just likely to mean more DRM and less content for non-initial buyers.
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[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

This makes no sense. Yes they can't "stop" you, but that's because they woudn't have to. You can't sell a downloaded game and they know that. What a silly, outdated law...

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It's very possible to sell a downloadable game, in fact it could be much easier than physical, imagine a button on Steam next to your games, you click this button labelled "Sell" and you put in a price you want for the game. Then you get possibly an option to sell it to someone personally or add it to maybe Steam Game Market and there you go.... The game disappears from your game list and you can no longer say you own that game. Easy!

Yeah. If there WAS a "Sell" button on your Steam program. There isn't and the law doesn't make them have to allow you to sell their games to others. It makes no sense. How do you effectively and feasibly sell a downloaded game?
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[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

So how does this work? I mean, I can't sell a game i own on steam, because i'd have to sell my entire account. I guess the only way is to open a new account for each game purchase.

actually, on further thought, it would be smart for Valve to allow sales of their digital licences through steam, then they can take a cut (%) and its win win for them and gamers.

edidili

Well Steam can just transfer the game from your account to another one. That is easy but will Valve do it? There must be some kind of limitation so people don't abuse it though. Pay a fee for example for every resell you do.

Thats why the sale would have to be through steam. One player would pay the other player for the game, and on completion of the sale, the license transfers. This gives steam the ability to take a cut since they are part of the sale.
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#41 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

This makes no sense. Yes they can't "stop" you, but that's because they woudn't have to. You can't sell a downloaded game and they know that. What a silly, outdated law...

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It's very possible to sell a downloadable game, in fact it could be much easier than physical, imagine a button on Steam next to your games, you click this button labelled "Sell" and you put in a price you want for the game. Then you get possibly an option to sell it to someone personally or add it to maybe Steam Game Market and there you go.... The game disappears from your game list and you can no longer say you own that game. Easy!

Yeah. If there WAS a "Sell" button on your Steam program. There isn't and the law doesn't make them have to allow you to sell their games to others. It makes no sense. How do you effectively and feasibly sell a downloaded game?

It's not much different from Gifting a game except to receive the game you have to pay a bit of money, it's not hard. You make it sound like Steam has absolutely no ability to add a "Sell" button next to each game. It's certainly not a five year project that requires millions of dollars to implement, the "Game Market" I mentioned would be the most of the work but again nothing a small team of developers can't handle.
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the drm dissagrees though.