Does the Wii > Xbox 1 graphical wise? (Poll)

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#1 oyvoyvoyv
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I don't know a lot about why graphics are good and all that. But anyway, I checked up some numbers.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_(sixth_generation)

The Xbox has 733 MHz CPU

233 MHz GPU

64 MB RAM.

The Wii has (According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_(seventh_generation)#Handheld_systems)

729 Mhz CPU

243 Mhz GPU

24 mb Internal ram and 64mb external ram which means totally 88 mb ram.

This means that the Xbox has 4 mhz more CPU

The Wii has 10 mhz more GPU

The Wii has 24 mb more RAM.

So the Wii beats the strongest 6th generation console, but not by enough to make a big difference.

But shouldn't also the software has improved? So the CDs are stronger?

Anyway, look at the difference from X360 to Ps3 to Wii (From wiki again)

Ps3 and Xbox360 CPU = 3,2 Ghz. Wii CPU = 729 Mhz. X360 and Ps3 + 2471.

Xbox 360 GPU = 500mhz Ps3 GPU= 550 mhz.Wii GPU =243 Mhz. Ps3 GPU = 50+ X360 and 307+ Wii. X360 GPU = 257 mhz + Wii

And the memory stuff (which I don't understand at all :( )

X360

512 MB GDDR3 @ 700 MHz shared between CPU & GPU
10 MB EDRAM GPU frame buffer memory

Ps3

256 MB XDR @ 3,2 GHz
256 MB GDDR3 @ 700 MHz, GPU can access CPU memory

Wii

24 MB "internal" 1T-SRAM integrated into graphics package
64 MB "external" GDDR3 SDRAM
3 MB GPU frame buffer memory.

So IMO the Wii clearly isn't as strong as many sheep claim it to be :cry: (including me, before this :cry: )

And, for the Poll. If you have read this far, and think that the Wii is stronger, then say "I like Cheese" If you think the Xbox 1 is stronger vote "I like Pie" I did it this way to check if people actually read the post, before polling.

EDIT:

Afew people here have said that the XB was the WEAKEST 6th gen console, according to my numbers that is wrong, therefore I am posting the numbers.

The Xbox has 733 MHz CPU

233 MHz GPU

64 MB RAM.

The gamecube

485mhz CPU

162mhz GPU

40MB RAM

The Playstation 2¨

294mhz CPU

147mhz GPU

32MB Ram

So the XBOX is better in all the occasions, I do not bother doing the math now

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#2 tomarlyn
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They're virtually the same thing in practice. Like the 360 and PS3.
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#3 GARRYTH
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i like potatos, i like chocolate milk err third party please go home and make a new ip for the wii.

you also forgot to mention the cell

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#4 xooco
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Oh man, I voted I like Cheese before reading all the way down.

Honestly the Wii is truly not that strong and I believe that every gamer that buys a Wii should know this and buy it for its other strong points (artistic, gameplay, wtvr it may be) but not get into hopes of high graphics.

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#5 OGTiago
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They are close in numbers, but Wii is more powerful.

And I voted before I read, so the last sentence doesn't work.

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#6 rexoverbey
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The original Xbox could also display upto 1080i, had dolby digital support in game, built in hdd for caching levels, and had pixel shaders something the Wii is lacking. The advantages Wii is faster ram, more ram, and a better CPU. Overall i would still give the advantage to Xbox 1 just due to pixel shaders and HD output. Geometry I am guessing the wii is better and programming techniques have improved so they will more than likely get better looking games over Xbox 1.
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Some say potatoes I say tomatoes
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The original Xbox could also display upto 1080i, had dolby digital support in game, built in hdd for caching levels, and had pixel shaders something the Wii is lacking. The advantages Wii is faster ram, more ram, and a better CPU. Overall i would still give the advantage to Xbox 1 just due to pixel shaders and HD output. Geometry I am guessing the wii is better and programming techniques have improved so they will more than likely get better looking games over Xbox 1.rexoverbey
Wii can do shaders, only uneducated people think not.

Also, Wii is locked at 480i/p

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#9 pcmxms
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What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

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#10 Mutant_Bug
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What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

pcmxms

You're kidding right?

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[QUOTE="rexoverbey"]The original Xbox could also display upto 1080i, had dolby digital support in game, built in hdd for caching levels, and had pixel shaders something the Wii is lacking. The advantages Wii is faster ram, more ram, and a better CPU. Overall i would still give the advantage to Xbox 1 just due to pixel shaders and HD output. Geometry I am guessing the wii is better and programming techniques have improved so they will more than likely get better looking games over Xbox 1.OGTiago

Wii can do shaders, only uneducated people think not.

Also, Wii is locked at 480i/p

I didn't say the Wii could do over 480p i said Xbox can do upto 1080i/720p. The Wii can not do shaders period, it can do techniques similiar but it does not have shader capabilites. Calling its Texture Stages with Logical Operations a 'shader' is abusing the terminology. At best, it has a PSEUDO-pixel shader, like the DX7 style texture stages, not the PROPER DX8 pixel shaders. As for being uneducated i have a degree in CS with a minor in networking and working on a EE degree ;)
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#13 pcmxms
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[QUOTE="pcmxms"]

What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

Mutant_Bug

You're kidding right?

I didn't meant xbox 360, and it is just my opinion. I rather play PS2 than xbox 1.

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#14 oyvoyvoyv
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OMG, nobody reads my post :cry:
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#15 stvee101
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[QUOTE="pcmxms"]

What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

Mutant_Bug

You're kidding right?

He can see into the future!!! :shock:

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[QUOTE="Mutant_Bug"][QUOTE="pcmxms"]

What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

stvee101

You're kidding right?

He can see into the future!!! :shock:

No, I can't. If SSBB end to be just equal to SSBM, then it is my opinion.

Since I BELIEVE that SSBB > SSBM... so, I think you got the point.

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#17 omgimba
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It is impossible too decide which on of them are stronger when only checking those numbers... Only people that are experianced with both architectures could possibly say which one is stronger... Mere console fanboys can't say anything of the slightest worth in this subject..
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#18 stvee101
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[QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="Mutant_Bug"][QUOTE="pcmxms"]

What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

pcmxms

You're kidding right?

He can see into the future!!! :shock:

No, I can't. If SSBB end to be just equal to SSBM, then it is my opinion.

Since I BELIEVE that SSBB > SSBM... so, I think you got the point.

But you've never even PLAYED the game,so unless you can see into the future then how can you really know until you've played it.You're just going on guess work,hype and screenshots so far.

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#19 reyad-u
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its hard to say which one is stronger (out of the xbox and wii) all of us only understand numbers, most here think the higher the number the better the CPU but in reality there is more to it and i dont think anyone can tell you which one is stronger other then a dev which has worked with both consoles extensivly.
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#20 Ontain
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you missed the difference between cpu architectures. the Wii is powerpc based. the xbox was celeron based.

powerpc is much more powerful with lower clock speeds. the fact that the wii has a higher clock speed just means that the wii obviously has a better cpu.

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#21 pcmxms
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[QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="Mutant_Bug"][QUOTE="pcmxms"]

What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

stvee101

You're kidding right?

He can see into the future!!! :shock:

No, I can't. If SSBB end to be just equal to SSBM, then it is my opinion.

Since I BELIEVE that SSBB > SSBM... so, I think you got the point.

But you've never even PLAYED the game,so unless you can see into the future then how can you really know until you've played it.You're just going on guess work,hype and screenshots so far.

But I've played Melee. Do you know what BELIEVE means?
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#22 MikeE21286
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They're virtually the same thing in practice. Like the 360 and PS3.tomarlyn

that's the best way of putting it..........

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#23 stvee101
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[QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="Mutant_Bug"][QUOTE="pcmxms"]

What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

pcmxms

You're kidding right?

He can see into the future!!! :shock:

No, I can't. If SSBB end to be just equal to SSBM, then it is my opinion.

Since I BELIEVE that SSBB > SSBM... so, I think you got the point.

But you've never even PLAYED the game,so unless you can see into the future then how can you really know until you've played it.You're just going on guess work,hype and screenshots so far.

But I've played Melee. Do you know what BELIEVE means?

LOL,You've played melee so what?You were talking about Brawl in the first place,now you bring up melee for some reason.Get back to me when you've actually played BRAWL and then you can say its better than any Xbox game.

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#24 pcmxms
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[QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"]

No, I can't. If SSBB end to be just equal to SSBM, then it is my opinion.

Since I BELIEVE that SSBB > SSBM... so, I think you got the point.

stvee101

But you've never even PLAYED the game,so unless you can see into the future then how can you really know until you've played it.You're just going on guess work,hype and screenshots so far.

But I've played Melee. Do you know what BELIEVE means?

LOL,You've played melee so what?You were talking about Brawl in the first place,now you bring up melee for some reason.Get back to me when you've actually played BRAWL and then you can say its better than any Xbox game.

Man... can't you read? I said that IF brawl plays equal to melee, My OPINION still holds. Of course I'm doing guess work. Man... Go play with your beloved xbox and leave my OPINION alone.

So, if it makes you happy

SSBM >>>> all Xbox 1 games put together.

Are we cool now?

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#25 stvee101
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[QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"]

No, I can't. If SSBB end to be just equal to SSBM, then it is my opinion.

Since I BELIEVE that SSBB > SSBM... so, I think you got the point.

pcmxms

But you've never even PLAYED the game,so unless you can see into the future then how can you really know until you've played it.You're just going on guess work,hype and screenshots so far.

But I've played Melee. Do you know what BELIEVE means?

LOL,You've played melee so what?You were talking about Brawl in the first place,now you bring up melee for some reason.Get back to me when you've actually played BRAWL and then you can say its better than any Xbox game.

Man... can't you read? I said that IF brawl plays equal to melee, My OPINION still holds. Of course I'm doing guess work. Man... Go play with your beloved xbox and leave my OPINION alone.

So, if it makes you happy

SSBM >>>> all Xbox 1 games put together.

Are we cool now?

Yeah I don't even have an Xbox,but whatever.In your first post you said SSBB>>> All Xbox games ,without having played it,thats just pure fanboyism.Now IF SSBM is equal to SSBM then,in YOUR opinion SSBB>>>> All Xbox games.Just don't start comparing games you haven't even played to games tha aren't released yet.Its like the people that review games on Amazon 3 months before they are released."OMG I played the demo for five minutes and seen 2 screenshots,BEST GAME EVA!!! 5 STARS".But as you said your opinion is your own,so lets just agree to disagree.

p.s Your sig,WTH is that??

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#26 pcmxms
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[QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"]

No, I can't. If SSBB end to be just equal to SSBM, then it is my opinion.

Since I BELIEVE that SSBB > SSBM... so, I think you got the point.

stvee101

But you've never even PLAYED the game,so unless you can see into the future then how can you really know until you've played it.You're just going on guess work,hype and screenshots so far.

But I've played Melee. Do you know what BELIEVE means?

LOL,You've played melee so what?You were talking about Brawl in the first place,now you bring up melee for some reason.Get back to me when you've actually played BRAWL and then you can say its better than any Xbox game.

Man... can't you read? I said that IF brawl plays equal to melee, My OPINION still holds. Of course I'm doing guess work. Man... Go play with your beloved xbox and leave my OPINION alone.

So, if it makes you happy

SSBM >>>> all Xbox 1 games put together.

Are we cool now?

Yeah I don't even have an Xbox,but whatever.In your first post you said SSBB>>> All Xbox games ,without having played it,thats just pure fanboyism.Now IF SSBM is equal to SSBM then,in YOUR opinion SSBB>>>> All Xbox games.Just don't start comparing games you haven't even played to games tha aren't released yet.Its like the people that review games on Amazon 3 months before they are released."OMG I played the demo for five minutes and seen 2 screenshots,BEST GAME EVA!!! 5 STARS".But as you said your opinion is your own,so lets just agree to disagree.

p.s Your sig,WTH is that??

Yeah, I think you miss the IF part. But ok. And you're right. It is plain stupid to tell "ZOMG! THIS GAME ROCKS!!!111" moths before its release date. I didn't say that, I just GUESS that brawl will be better then melee.

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[QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101

pcmxms

Yeah, I think you miss the IF part. But ok. And you're right. It is plain stupid to tell "ZOMG! THIS GAME ROCKS!!!111" moths before its release date. I didn't say that, I just GUESS that brawl will be better then melee.

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#28 Hitamaru-homia
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PS2 was stronger then a xbox.. the strongest 6th generation console was the gamecube DID YOU SEE RESIDENT EVIL 4...
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[QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101

stvee101

Yeah, I think you miss the IF part. But ok. And you're right. It is plain stupid to tell "ZOMG! THIS GAME ROCKS!!!111" moths before its release date. I didn't say that, I just GUESS that brawl will be better then melee.

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#30 frankeyser
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powerpc>>>>>>celeron=thread fails. hell you could have a power pc cpu with a lower clockspeed than a celeron cpu and it would still be better.... i swear... we need to have a class in system wars that teaches these things...
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#31 SemiMaster
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On paper, Wii should have the edge. Now whether the developers can do such a thing is yet to be seen.
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[QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="stvee101

pcmxms

Yeah, I think you miss the IF part. But ok. And you're right. It is plain stupid to tell "ZOMG! THIS GAME ROCKS!!!111" moths before its release date. I didn't say that, I just GUESS that brawl will be better then melee.

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PS2 was stronger then a xbox.. the strongest 6th generation console was the gamecube DID YOU SEE RESIDENT EVIL 4...Hitamaru-homia
:lol: Something tells me you didn't compare multiplat games much last generation.
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#34 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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Does it have the potential? I'm not totally certain. But as of right now, the Wii does NOT have better graphics than the original Xbox. I would argue that so far, the Wiis graphics aren't even better than the GC (or in the case of MP3 only very slightly better).

I think the Wii has a long way to go before it will prove itself graphically. However, I also believe that where most consoles have graphics to prove and game are often bad as developers focus way too much on graphics...the Wii has developers ignoring graphics completely as they play around with the controls.

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#35 deactivated-59d151f079814
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You can't compare the two direclty because it runs on completely different technolgoies.. Its like trying to compare a Amd 64 bit 3000+ with a Pentuim 4 3ghz processor.. Odviouslly if you compare them direclty the 3ghz beats amds 1.8ghz easilly.. But Amd runs off a different technolgy which matchs or out performs it.. The saem can be said of here...
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The original Xbox could also display upto 1080i, had dolby digital support in game, built in hdd for caching levels, and had pixel shaders something the Wii is lacking. The advantages Wii is faster ram, more ram, and a better CPU. Overall i would still give the advantage to Xbox 1 just due to pixel shaders and HD output. Geometry I am guessing the wii is better and programming techniques have improved so they will more than likely get better looking games over Xbox 1.rexoverbey

The wii uses the TEV pipelines for its effects. every thing the old x-box could do the wii can. even gamecube was as strong as the x-box!

A power pc chip will always be > a intel pentium III chip. The GCn chip was benchmarked at about 700MHZ even though the specs said 400+

The wii is specs say 700+ but its bench marked at near 2 ghz. the wii chip is very efficient.

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#37 tidus222
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half life 2 (xbox version)

riddick escape from butcher bay

ninja gaiden black

all look better than any WII game

even halo 2 looks about on par with the best WII games

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Hell no. Only delusional sheep would say otherwise.
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#39 pcmxms
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Hell no. Only delusional sheep would say otherwise.dracula_16
You sound like a delusional lemming.
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#40 Wasdie  Moderator
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Yes it is slightly more powerful. To bad very few games actually show that.
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#41 axes03
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What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

pcmxms

wow....i lol'd. poor little sheep

Halo1,2, Ninja Gaiden, Fable, KORT, Splinter cell, GTA.......versus, a fat italian plumber hitting a yellow rat.....yeah

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[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Hell no. Only delusional sheep would say otherwise.pcmxms
You sound like a delusional lemming.

I'm not delusional. I am one of the most unbiased people on these boards.

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#43 pcmxms
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[QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]Hell no. Only delusional sheep would say otherwise.dracula_16

You sound like a delusional lemming.

I'm not delusional. I am one of the most unbiased people on these boards.

i see.
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#44 oyvoyvoyv
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[QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]Hell no. Only delusional sheep would say otherwise.dracula_16

You sound like a delusional lemming.

I'm not delusional. I am one of the most unbiased people on these boards.

Well, you wrote before reading my post...

Place some facts before calling other people fanboys, or you're just as bad as them

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#45 pcmxms
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What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

axes03

wow....i lol'd. poor little sheep

Halo1,2, Ninja Gaiden, Fable, KORT, Splinter cell, GTA.......versus, a fat italian plumber hitting a yellow rat.....yeah

Except for maybe Ninja Gaiden, all these games are trash or can be played on other plataform.

NOTE: This is just my opinion. Read the rest of the topic for more info.

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#47 Tom_Brady860
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[QUOTE="axes03"][QUOTE="pcmxms"]

What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

pcmxms

wow....i lol'd. poor little sheep

Halo1,2, Ninja Gaiden, Fable, KORT, Splinter cell, GTA.......versus, a fat italian plumber hitting a yellow rat.....yeah

Except for maybe Ninja Gaiden, all these games are trash or can be played on other plataform.

NOTE: This is just my opinion. Read the rest of the topic for more info.

wow, i was with this dude, until he made this comment. sad kid, SAD and pathetic

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#48 pcmxms
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[QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="axes03"][QUOTE="pcmxms"]

What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

axes03

wow....i lol'd. poor little sheep

Halo1,2, Ninja Gaiden, Fable, KORT, Splinter cell, GTA.......versus, a fat italian plumber hitting a yellow rat.....yeah

Except for maybe Ninja Gaiden, all these games are trash or can be played on other plataform.

NOTE: This is just my opinion. Read the rest of the topic for more info.

LMAO!!!! Trash??!!! go play wii play and mario party 78, sheep shouldnt even mention the word trash, if their pathetic machine cant even out perform a last gen console.

Your'e right. Mario party 8 is also trash. So is Halo. Can't you handle with someone's opinion?
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#49 oyvoyvoyv
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Yet your machine breaks 33% of the time (to axes)

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#50 pcmxms
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[QUOTE="pcmxms"][QUOTE="axes03"][QUOTE="pcmxms"]

What's the point?

SSBB >>>> All the xbox games put together.

:P

Tom_Brady860

wow....i lol'd. poor little sheep

Halo1,2, Ninja Gaiden, Fable, KORT, Splinter cell, GTA.......versus, a fat italian plumber hitting a yellow rat.....yeah

Except for maybe Ninja Gaiden, all these games are trash or can be played on other plataform.

NOTE: This is just my opinion. Read the rest of the topic for more info.

wow, i was with this dude, until he made this comment. sad kid, SAD!!

What's wrong? Halo1,2 (PC and POS), Ninja Gaiden(?) , Fable (PC, and IS a pos) , KORT(Haven't played, but i'm preaty sure that it is also on PC) , Splinter cell (PC, PS2, even GC sometimes), GTA (PS2, PC).

Also, it is MY OPINION.