DF: COD Black Ops Cold War: PS5 vs Xbox Series X

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#1  Edited By Zero_epyon
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  • COD uses RT Shadows, not RT reflections
  • Series S does not have 120Hz or Raytracing toggle
  • Xbox makes it less confusing to enable 120Hz mode than PS5
  • RT mode uses a dynamic reconstructed 4K on both systems dropping to 1800p with some drops to 1920x1800p at the lowest
  • Series S 1440p dynamic going down to 1200p
  • 1200p typically for 120hz mode down to 1080p in spots
  • Series X and PS5 are identical graphically
  • Series S quality is predictably lower
  • There are spots where PS5 falls behind the Series X during select moments in set-pieces when RT is on. Identical performance when RT is off.
  • Series S has few dips and tearing but it's not much.
  • PS5 takes the lead in 120hz mode but not noticeable on Series X if using VRR.
  • PS5 version takes advantage of the adaptive triggers
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#2 Phlop_Spencer
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Oh no... please don’t tell me Zero. Another W for the PS5?? Please say it isn’t so

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#3 NathanDrakeSwag
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SDC baby!

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#4 Zero_epyon
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@phlop_spencer said:

Oh no... please don’t tell me Zero. Another W for the PS5?? Please say it isn’t so

It's pretty even actually. Xbox does well in certain set pieces with RT on. PS5 does better at 120Hz.

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#5 me2002
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Series X is good but so is PS5 time will tell which is more powerful.

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#6  Edited By The6millionLies
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That's lower than valhalla

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#7 hardwenzen
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DF called this game "spectacular"🤣

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#8  Edited By Zero_epyon
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@hardwenzen said:

DF called this game "spectacular"🤣

That's because this was the last Black Ops campaign

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Edit: This is probably what Xbox fans thought the gap would be like this gen.

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#9 lamprey263  Online
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PS5 defeats the XSX's kid brother, congrats.

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Still waiting for the 30-40% xbox advantage to show up that select lemmings promised.

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#11 BenjaminBanklin
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Didn't people say the only difference between the X and the S would merely be resolution? Bruh, this is shameful.

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#12 deactivated-63d2876fd4204
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These results are FAR different than that other COD comparison thread.

Why?

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#13  Edited By Zero_epyon
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@goldenelementxl said:

These results are FAR different than that other COD comparison thread.

Why?

Cause that thread focused on dips that happen in particular cutscenes and nowhere else. Funny that no one would consider those bugs lol

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#14  Edited By Uruz7laevatein
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From observation of the video comparison, alot of the so called fps dips/fluctuations (40-60 in a brief moment) in RT mode on PS5 come from transitioning from cutscenes/scripted set-pieces to gameplay transitioning ( a case of assets being swapped in and out, and to retrace the rays of different assets being swapped), but once fully transition ed to gameplay the fps stays at 60 ( especially during full real time gameplay). Hence it's rather inconclusive of performance dip, but rather a slight bug)

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Wow the XSX completely dominates the PS5 on RT 60fps. But for players who rather play with lower graphics and 120fps the PS5 does preform better, far from locked though.

To be honest seeing 120fps modes completely allover the place with huge swings in frame rate makes it kinda of useless. Same in DMC and Dirt. Rather have higher quality image and more stable frames.

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#16 Zero_epyon
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@Uruz7laevatein said:

From observation of the video comparison, alot of the so called fps dips in RT mode on PS5 come from transitioning from cutscenes/scripted set-pieces to gameplay transitioning ( a case of assets being swapped in and out, and to retrace the rays of different assets being swapped), but once fully transition ed to gameplay the fps stays at 60 ( especially during full real time gameplay)

Yes that looks like what's happening. I wonder what could be causing that?

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#17  Edited By deactivated-628e6669daebe
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@Zero_epyon: Those scenes are obviously very demanding specifically on RT shadows.

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#18 Zero_epyon
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@ghost_of_phobos said:

@Zero_epyon: Those scenes are obviously very demanding specifically on RT shadows.

No that's not it. Because if that were the case it wouldn't recover after the transition. It would stay low or continue to drop until the scene is over.

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#19 NathanDrakeSwag
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@BenjaminBanklin said:

Didn't people say the only difference between the X and the S would merely be resolution? Bruh, this is shameful.

To think these cheapskates could've got a real next gen digital console for only $100 more.

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#20 rzxv04
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@BenjaminBanklin said:

Didn't people say the only difference between the X and the S would merely be resolution? Bruh, this is shameful.

Yup. I remember people saying the same thing. I also truly expected it to be so. I'm a tiny bit disappointed but nbd. They killed most of my interest by throwing away the disc reader on it.

I bet we'll have an S with a disc soon at $ 299 and the non disc S will be $ 199-249.

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#21 Phlop_Spencer
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Looks like DF really needed to hammer on the few cutscene dips on the PS5. I read that as they’re throwing Xbox a bone here, lord knows they need one.

Will wait and see whether these cutscene dips get patched - my guess is they will

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#22 regnaston
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I could have swore they already did a video on this LOL

I guess the games are just blending together in my mind

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#23 Zero_epyon
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@regnaston said:

I could have swore they already did a video on this LOL

I guess the games are just blending together in my mind

Na people are making threads (myself included) using other sources that are moving faster than DF.

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#24 me2002
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@rzxv04: I think the S would get ditched pretty soon and there will be diskless X for $400.

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#25  Edited By The6millionLies
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@phlop_spencer: coping harder apparently , now suddenly is DF giving a bone lol and those aren't cutscenes they are gameplay..

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#26 rzxv04
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@me2002 said:

@rzxv04: I think the S would get ditched pretty soon and there will be diskless X for $400.

Interesting thought.

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#27 Bluestars
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another easy xbox serious x win..

whats that 9-1 to xbox...VRR kicking ps5 in the bollocks

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#28 Archangel3371
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Sounds like pretty good stuff. I’m looking forward to picking up the Xbox One|Series X version.

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@Zero_epyon: It is, just watch it. In the plane scene the major dip starts when you have new sources of light and geometry casting shadows. After that peak where the GPU is hit hard it recovers obviously.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

SDC baby!

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@goldenelementxl said:

These results are FAR different than that other COD comparison thread.

Why?

Less reliable source from what i heard.

@Zero_epyon said:

Cause that thread focused on dips that happen in particular cutscenes and nowhere else. Funny that no one would consider those bugs lol

Obviously when the PS5 drops is because the PS5 is showing its weakness, when the xbox drops is a BUG from the shitty late tools.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@ghost_of_phobos said:

Wow the XSX completely dominates the PS5 on RT 60fps. But for players who rather play with lower graphics and 120fps the PS5 does preform better, far from locked though.

To be honest seeing 120fps modes completely allover the place with huge swings in frame rate makes it kinda of useless. Same in DMC and Dirt. Rather have higher quality image and more stable frames.

You can't spit on the PS5 on this one without getting it all over the xbox series X..😂

Nice try.

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#32  Edited By Phlop_Spencer
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@the6millionlies: PS5 dips in cutscenes. Can you explain why watch dogs and Valhalla are consistently underperforming on sxs?

I know you really want an W like so bad, but I assure you these cut scene dips will be fixed.

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#33 tormentos
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@bluestars said:

another easy xbox serious x win..

whats that 9-1 to xbox...VRR kicking ps5 in the bollocks

In your fantastic magical world of xbox land sure it is.

Yeah maybe the 10 people who own those TV can take advantage of it.

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#35 The6millionLies
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@phlop_spencer: Take you sony goggles off , because that wasn't cut scene , it's actual gameplay, I don't see where Watch Dogs is better on PS5 they are literally the same , but if you want to claim superior because one scene was higher resolution go ahead lol , the Xbox series X version has better AF and draw distances. Man you are coping hard.

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@tormentos: Seems like the 400% advantage is fo realz!

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#37 hardwenzen
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The 40% PS5 disadvantage widens by the day. All of this while the memory runs at melting temps 😱How will the PS5 handle UE5 when it can't handle the Quake engine from 1999?

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@hardwenzen: looks awful and@41fps on ps5 LMFAO. All downhill from now on for the cows.

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#39 hardwenzen
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@sleepnsurf said:

@hardwenzen: looks awful and@41fps on ps5 LMFAO. All downhill from now on for the cows.

Its all downhill for me 😭

I am not excited for the future of my console of choice 😢

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I got this game for free (3080 purchase) and i'll be hard-pressed to play the SP campaign.

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#42 The6millionLies
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@hardwenzen:

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#43 hardwenzen
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@lundy86_4 said:

I got this game for free (3080 purchase) and i'll be hard-pressed to play the SP campaign.

I'd just sell the code on ebay or something. Your ssd wouldn't enjoy being polluted by some yearly CoD.

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#44  Edited By ellos
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Soo SW how do we read this one. Raytracing tools are working but still need improvement on the higher frame mode. I kid of course but seems like a win for xbox when it comes to raytrace shadows on the busy set pieces sections. For some reason ps5 still beating it on 120fps modes. Perhaps some hints for things to come. Hopefully we will be able to understand there differences if its not tools or game engine related.

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#45 tormentos
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@hardwenzen said:

The 40% PS5 disadvantage widens by the day. All of this while the memory runs at melting temps 😱How will the PS5 handle UE5 when it can't handle the Quake engine from 1999?

Bah shitty console, last gen the PS4 and xbox one X could sustain and 40% gap or more consistently, not in 1 second deeps while losing the mode than double the frames..🤣🤣🤣

I guess when you don't have a victory any victory becomes great.

@ghost_of_phobos said:

@tormentos: Seems like the 400% advantage is fo realz!

It most be the TOOLS.🤣

@the6millionlies said:

@hardwenzen:

I dont get it now losing for lemming = winning...🤣🤣

That parallel universe.

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#46 The6millionLies
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@tormentos: It's a meme dude , you are not suppose to be triggered by it.. this game was a tie like some others , so far the only games better on ps5 are valhalla and dirt 5 which forza horizon 4 optimized destroys the xsx and ps5 version.

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#47 hardwenzen
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Tormy spotted my post and it has painfully TRIGGERED him.

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#48 tormentos
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Oh lemmings...

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#49 locopatho
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Is this the thread where we admit no exclusive matters because everyone is just playing COD, Fifa, GTA and Fortnite?

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#50 regnaston
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Saw this video on Reddit about the COD Series S Ray Tracing .. if correct then it is likely that DF might not have had them installed when doing the test because they said there was no RT

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