Death of PC reflected in hardware sales, too

Nvidia: GPU shipments down 20 percent in Q2

During Nvidia's second quarter financial earnings call last night, CEO and President Jen-Hsun Huang revealed that the company's GPU shipments have dropped by 20 percent in the last quarter.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08/13/nvidia-gpu-shipments-down-20-percent-in-q2/1

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*FacePalm*

Don't tell me some console users are that stupid?

You don't keep track of the hardware market, all you're seeing is the drop in sales and assuming the cause.

Maybe everyone likes ATI now ??

Maybe everyone likes ATI now ??

angelkimne

Yeppers. ATI's 4800 series is wiping the floor with NVidia right now.

And at the same time ATi are reporting surprisingly good sales with their 4800-series..who woulda thunk?

http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/092/092316p1.html

Welcome to 2001.

Nvidia: GPU shipments down 20 percent in Q2

During Nvidia's second quarter financial earnings call last night, CEO and President Jen-Hsun Huang revealed that the company's GPU shipments have dropped by 20 percent in the last quarter.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08/13/nvidia-gpu-shipments-down-20-percent-in-q2/1

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mysterylobster

are so many other factors... *faceplam*

maybe thats because ATI has all the best cards now?

or did you actually think that Nvidia went from record breaking sales last holiday season to a 20% loss because PC gaming died overnight?

8800s were a massive success for Nvidia, a huge leap from the 7 series, they sold like hot cakes. It's no shocker that they can't match the numbers they got back then especially considering that Ati offers the better bang for the buck atm.

Nvidia: GPU shipments down 20 percent in Q2

During Nvidia's second quarter financial earnings call last night, CEO and President Jen-Hsun Huang revealed that the company's GPU shipments have dropped by 20 percent in the last quarter.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08/13/nvidia-gpu-shipments-down-20-percent-in-q2/1

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mysterylobster

Nvidia: GPU shipments down 20 percent in Q2

During Nvidia's second quarter financial earnings call last night, CEO and President Jen-Hsun Huang revealed that the company's GPU shipments have dropped by 20 percent in the last quarter.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08/13/nvidia-gpu-shipments-down-20-percent-in-q2/1

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mysterylobster

most gpu sells consist of midrange gpu-s of which ATI with it's 48xx series is curretly the king. And I think even you can put 1 and 1 together at this point.

ati's sales are up....weird huh?LibertySaint

Intel are also entering this dead market with there own super-duper cards.

It's strange how the "Death of PC" can also cause ATI to release new cards which are the obvious choice right now.

Strange world we live in...

Nvidia: GPU shipments down 20 percent in Q2

During Nvidia's second quarter financial earnings call last night, CEO and President Jen-Hsun Huang revealed that the company's GPU shipments have dropped by 20 percent in the last quarter.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08/13/nvidia-gpu-shipments-down-20-percent-in-q2/1

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mysterylobster

Does this take into account of all the aftermarket GPU makers such as Zotac that make nvidia cards?

Maybe everyone likes ATI now ??

angelkimne

with thier new 4 series, i don't doubt that at all

With less games pushing technology like Crysis and more and more multiplat's, unless the game is a pretty bad port in dire need of frames per a second, there isn't as much incentive as before as there once was. There are still games out there pushing to the limit though.

As expected, there are a lot of ill-informed responses here. First of all, to all of those who say it's because ATI is beating them because of the high end 4800 series cards, here are some facts for you to cull on: a) the 4800 cards were only available in the last month of Q2, b) in the price ranges that actually contribute the most to sales ($75-150) Nvidia is the undisputed leader.

Also, who said ATI is having a rosy time either? Apperently "The value of AMD's purchase of ATI Technologies Inc also declined..." meaning the video hardware company is bleeding money for AMD.

http://infotech.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3357165.cms

With less games pushing technology like Crysis and more and more multiplat's, unless the game is a pretty bad port in dire need of frames per a second, there isn't as much incentive as before as there once was. There are still games out there pushing to the limit though.

Kez1984

As expected, there are a lot of ill-informed responses here. First of all, to all of those who say it's because ATI is beating them because of the high end 4800 series cards, here are some facts for you to cull on: a) the 4800 cards were only available in the last month of Q2, b) in the price ranges that actually contribute the most to sales ($75-150) Nvidia is the undisputed leader.

Also, who said ATI is having a rosy time either? Apperently "The value of AMD's purchase of ATI Technologies Inc also declined..." meaning the video hardware company is bleeding money for AMD.

http://infotech.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3357165.cms

mysterylobster

nVidia poured TONS of their money into the release for the GTX280.

That was their big release for the Quarter. It had been a while since their last release so sales were diminishing. They needed a new product to drive sales, otherwise they would not be doing nearly as well.

And then the GTX280 got DESTROYED by ATi's offerings.

Anyone who was thinking about buying a GTX280 held off for the 4870.

So it is only logically to believe that by getting their ***es kicked by ATi, nVidia wouldn't make as much money.

As for ATi "bleeding money" for AMD....

No **** They were getting completely destroyed before the 4800 came out. The 2000 series was a flop, the 3000 series was a flop. ATi went 2 and a half years without releasing a quality card. No **** their value went down.... The market doesn't support 2 companies at the same time. It never has. It is always a back and forth of companies outdoing their competition. And sales follow whoever is the winner. nVidia was the winner for 2 years. Now ATi is the winner.

in 2007, when nVidia was the big winner, nVidia was named Forbes Top Company of 2007.

And in terms of revenue, it is actually the mid-range cards that provided the most money. The $75-100 cards have lower profit margins and the integrated GPU's have even less profits because they have to be built into the motherboards, which means they take up more materials and and need more time.

*FacePalm*

Don't tell me some console users are that stupid?

You don't keep track of the hardware market, all you're seeing is the drop in sales and assuming the cause.

AnnoyedDragon

Nvidia: GPU shipments down 20 percent in Q2

During Nvidia's second quarter financial earnings call last night, CEO and President Jen-Hsun Huang revealed that the company's GPU shipments have dropped by 20 percent in the last quarter.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08/13/nvidia-gpu-shipments-down-20-percent-in-q2/1

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mysterylobster

Yeah, that's because Ati offers redicilously cheap and powerful graphics boards.

IgGy621985

Yeah, that's because Ati offers redicilously cheap and powerful graphics boards.

The prices are coming into range now, I did some comparisons of power for price, and there doesn't seem to be such a price of or power difference from what I've seen.

Because no one holds off purchasing a product when a potentially superior one is around the corner? For instance people like myself that held off adopting the Nvidia 8 series until the revisions came out?

The guy doesn't understand PC gamers and is just hunting down articles that he interprets as supporting PC gaming is dying. That he is now hunting for more information to try and kick down the varying possible causes that don't support his desired cause; shows how biased he is to his interpretation of the sales drop.

With all of this aside, sales vary in any market; with consoles included. Can you imagine SW declaring consoles dead every time the sales dropped?

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*FacePalm*

Don't tell me some console users are that stupid?

You don't keep track of the hardware market, all you're seeing is the drop in sales and assuming the cause.

killab2oo5

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110million

Yeah, that's because Ati offers redicilously cheap and powerful graphics boards.

The prices are coming into range now, I did some comparisons of power for price, and there doesn't seem to be such a price of or power difference from what I've seen

Man I can picture the new mmo'c coming for pc like guild wars

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blackdreamhunk

Yeah, that's because Ati offers redicilously cheap and powerful graphics boards.

The prices are coming into range now, I did some comparisons of power for price, and there doesn't seem to be such a price of or power difference from what I've seen

Man I can picture the new mmo'c coming for pc like guild wars

Guild Wars 2 is around the corner....

Hopefully late 2009-early 2010.

Can't wait for that game... I was big into GvG for a while. Several top 100 guilds. Was even in a couple top 25 guilds. But that was before the tournaments and champ points...

As for ATi "bleeding money" for AMD....

No **** They were getting completely destroyed before the 4800 came out.

horrowhip

And can you provide any evidence that their financial situation has changed? All the sources I've provided (notice I'm not going by blind speculation, which seems to be all too common around here) have said gaming hardware sales are dropping at an alarming rate, right alongside disappointing software sales. I've heard a lot of people say 4800 this and 4800 that, but they've shown nothing to back up these statements. I just figure they have no substantive rebuttal to my original topic.

I should also say that I'm a big PC gamer. So to anyone who says I'm just a console gamer, please try to come up with some better insults. I only want to bring the truth.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

As for ATi "bleeding money" for AMD....

No **** They were getting completely destroyed before the 4800 came out.

mysterylobster

And can you provide any evidence that their financial situation has changed? All the sources I've provided (notice I'm not going by blind speculation, which seems to be all too common around here) have said gaming hardware sales are dropping at an alarming rate, right alongside disappointing software sales. I've heard a lot of people say 4800 this and 4800 that, but they've shown nothing to back up these statements. I just figure they have no substantive rebuttal to my original topic.

I should also say that I'm a big PC gamer. So to anyone who says I'm just a console gamer, please try to come up with some better insults. I only want to bring the truth.

Oh dear, if PC hardware sales die, then there is no hope for any new consoles until 2025. Really, this thread smells fishy to me, especially that "I should also say that I'm a big PC gamer."...right, sure you are. Just thought to bring that up when you were being proved wrong, did you?

*FacePalm*

Don't tell me some console users are that stupid?

You don't keep track of the hardware market, all you're seeing is the drop in sales and assuming the cause.

AnnoyedDragon

So what is the cause:??

As expected, there are a lot of ill-informed responses here. First of all, to all of those who say it's because ATI is beating them because of the high end 4800 series cards, here are some facts for you to cull on: a) the 4800 cards were only available in the last month of Q2, b) in the price ranges that actually contribute the most to sales ($75-150) Nvidia is the undisputed leader.

Also, who said ATI is having a rosy time either? Apperently "The value of AMD's purchase of ATI Technologies Inc also declined..." meaning the video hardware company is bleeding money for AMD.

http://infotech.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3357165.cms

mysterylobster

What about your claim that bargain cards (under $150) are the big moneymakers? I would think it's the mid-range line ($150-250) where most of the sales occur--potent enough to see a difference while being a reasonable hit on the wallet.

PS. There could be one other reason, you know--seasonal lull. Gaming-related sales tend to slide in the spring into summer as people turn more to outdoor entertainments. Not to mention a general economic downturn could be reeling in sales in general.

*FacePalm*

Don't tell me some console users are that stupid?

You don't keep track of the hardware market, all you're seeing is the drop in sales and assuming the cause.

AnnoyedDragon

ati's sales are up....weird huh?LibertySaint

Not at all :P

Guild Wars 2 is around the corner....

Hopefully late 2009-early 2010.

Can't wait for that game... I was big into GvG for a while. Several top 100 guilds. Was even in a couple top 25 guilds. But that was before the tournaments and champ points...

horrowhip

former top 100 here too^^ which guild were you in?

we were even in a ESL game once, but **** everything up :D

then I buyed wow....

all it takes is to release a worth while mid-end card, and they will rebound. also many people who own 8800s see no need to upgrade since they run games fine.muscleserge

exactly waht i was gonna say. im running crysis on very high everything in dx10 and getting 30fps on an 8800gt. why upgrade when crysis runs that good and every other game is easier to run. the card was only like $150