Dear Lizard Squad, no, we gamers don't buy it

Shewgenja · 2014-12-28 03:23:28

To start this rant off, I want to clarify that I have experience as a network operator and know very well the type of attack Lizard Squad used to take down PSN and XBox Live. I've read several articles and Twitter feeds that claim, in effect, that Lizard Squad is saying they attacked the networks in order to show how 'vulnerable' they are to attacks and how easy they are to take down as a result.There is a big fundamental problem with their statements and I am uniquely qualified to draw a line in the sand with these fuckasses. I hope they can hear me. The problem is that the nature of their attack is to overwhelm the respective networks with useless data. It's not a hack so much as the internet equivalent of being the dickhead in a men's restroom who left a cigarette wrapper or food wrapper in a urinal to clog it/overflow it. It doesn't take a genius to carry this out and even worse, it doesn't take a genius to stop it..What it does take, is money. PSN and Live are going to need more bandwidth, more equipment, more software to monitor said equipment. In short, the only way to negate a DDoS is to spend a whole bunch of money on stuff that is doing a whole bunch of other things than accepting your connection... YOUR login. And I have a really big problem with that. You definitely should, too. That's money being spent on their script kiddy bullshit antics that could be spent for expanding what the service actually does. That's money being spent on network redundancy that could be spent on better freebies each month like PSN+ and your Live Gold free games. That is money and equipment that could be used to stand up IPTV services or faster cloud gaming..Lizard Squad should not be allowed a free pass on bullshitting the public and definitely not bullshitting gamers. What they are doing is destructive. In terms of talent and messaging, they did not deserve to be given the pulpit the press is giving them, but they did take down two networks on Christmas day for optimum exposure. Sadly, they did a whole lot more than ruin a few kids Christmases. Now there is going to be a whole bunch of stuff in all likelihood sidelined while Sony and MS sink resources into standing up redundancy to handle these DDoS floods in the future. We all got screwed.

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#51 darkangel115

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@Shewgenja said:

@darkangel115 said:

@Shewgenja said:

@darkangel115 said:

I know what a DDoS attack is and how it works, the issue is after they stopped, PSN couldn't handle the xmas traffic of everyone trying to get back in. So they hid behind the hack, by limiting access to PSN. You could have bypassed it by changing the MTU on your PS4's network settings to get in, which many did to get back online saturday instead of waiting until sunday. It was mishandled by Sony every step of the way. LS flat out said they stopped the attacks in exchange for some lifetime memberships to mega. XBL went right back online, Sony stayed offline for another 2 days. thats not acceptable.

If they did that, it is because they wanted to have usable logs or packet captures of the illegitimate traffic.

which would be easier to obtain if it was running. your delusional, there is no excuse for them being offline 2 days after the attack when XBL was up and running the same day. Your just making excuses for sony.

No, I don't really care why they were down for extra time. No one knows but their network architect and a hand full of their staff. Lizard Squad are the bad guys here and nothing you say distracts from that. That is the point.

Changing the MTU on packets is a clear indicator that Lizardsquad was using fragmenting packets at the gateway. FYI.

So, again, cease with the nonsense.

If I had to wager a guess, Microsoft has something like a BigIron or FastIron that could redirect the bogus traffic after they sifted out the good from the bad whereas Sony went the less sophisticated route of determining the MTU of the original packets hitting their gateway (Somewhere in the neighborhood below 1500) and thwarted the bogus traffic that way but also kept legit users off the network as a result. At any rate, what's done is done. Just don't take LizardSquads shit ass excuses. What they did was for exposure. Not your well-being as a paying customer.

lol i never said that LS wasn't the bad guy. I'm just saying that Sony should have had their network up and running faster then it did.

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@darkangel115: don't know what your smoking I got online at 2 am friday morning in East coast usa on PSN. Was able to download all the updates to my games the whole time during xmas and Netflix too. I was also playing online on PSN both Friday and Saturday.

I'm not smoking anything. some people could get in because as i stated sony throttled access. They couldn't handle the x-mas inrush and used the attacks as an excuse. Some people got in, most people didn't. You can even look at the sony twitter page. even as of this moment, PS on twitter is acknowledging intermittent PSN connection issues. AKA its still not fully functional. just because you didn't have an issue, doesn't mean everyone didn't. man the Sony defense force is in full effect today.

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#52 deactivated-57d307c5efcda

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@kingjugganott: It's not security though, thats the thing. All these people do is overwhelm the servers with useless info. It's not hacking, it's overloading. Both MS and Sony's online services can handle the current player hold just fine. These people are just Assholes and are on a level below than people who write virus's. Both are bad and serve no purpose other than screwing over people. So now Sony and MS have to spend alot more money to be able to combat this, instead of using that money else-ware.

All these groups do is hurt people who want to use the services but can't. They're not going to stop sales, as these issues will be resolved in time. Also bringing the network up in time isn't just flicking a switch, both have engineers looking at the situation to figure out what brought them down. So now they have spend more money on labor to figure this crap out.

Lizard Squad is no better than some person who writes a computer virus, both are vermin and deserve to go to prison.

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#53 speedfog

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It can happen to other companies as well, now they need to be prepared to fix it as fast as they can, not like SONY with PSN...

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#54 DrMichael

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@ccagracing: I agree. They deserve that and more. They deserve to be shot! It's not just normal people they are hurting, there are millions of bed-ridden disabled people for whom video games are about as active as it gets! These terrorists are vile and despicable!

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#55 Edited By -God-

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Man, XBL/PSN are down more often than I've had PC games crash in the last decade. What happened to plug and play?

And lets not even get into the atrocious patching/install times compared to PC, or Ubisoft games that can't be fixed unlike on PC with some .ini tweaks.

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#56 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20

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Don't post in threads that have been inactive for more than 30 days.

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