Dark Souls II Edge Info

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

[QUOTE="ToScA-"] Guess they want to maximize profits as well. [QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]hopefully they scrap the 360 version and PC so we get the full community togetherToScA-

Especially with how small the userbase for dark souls on pc is.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="Thefatness16"] Full cross platform play would be the better option.ReadingRainbow4

Especially with how small the userbase for dark souls on pc is.

hopefully they scrap the 360 version and PC so we get the full community togetherPinnacleGamingP

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

the only thing souls series always needed is graphics and if it has star wars 1313 graphics, holy sh*t.

themyth01

New director wants to make the covenants and other areas that were difficult to adapt to more accessibleStory will be more clearmorality systemThefatness16

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="silversix_"]

the only thing souls series always needed is graphics and if it has star wars 1313 graphics, holy sh*t.

silversix_

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I really cannot see how graphics can screw up gameplay in anything unless it has some really obnoxious effects...

GD1551

I'm not really hyped for Dark Souls II because I already know what they're turning it into. It's not going to be anything like the Demon's Souls/Dark Souls that we all know and love.

I'm not really hyped for Dark Souls II because I already know what they're turning it into. It's not going to be anything like the Demon's Souls/Dark Souls that we all know and love.

XVision84

Your crystal ball seems to be the best around, first you have a full opinion on TLOU and now DS2 :P

But in all seriousness these first tidbits aren't sounding great.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

I'm not really hyped for Dark Souls II because I already know what they're turning it into. It's not going to be anything like the Demon's Souls/Dark Souls that we all know and love.

seanmcloughlin

Your crystal ball seems to be the best around, first you have a full opinion on TLOU and now DS2 :P

But in all seriousness these first tidbits aren't sounding great.

It has yet to fail me ;)

But lets face it, we all knew it was going to happen sooner or later. Sadly, this happens to pretty much every series these days :(.

Not sure about this morality system. Maybe they mean something which works better than what I've experienced in other games, where it just feels contrived and unconvincing.

They want to keep the series fresh, but I'm confident that they'll make sure they don't lose the core things we love about these games, like the brilliant level design, the atmosphere, mystique, satisfying combat and challenge.

I hope it comes out on the next PlayStation. That way I could play it with it looking its best, and maybe even a smooth framerate the whole time (not that Dark Souls isn't a beautiful looking game) and hopefullly still have the trophy system.

Game is getting Hayashi'd.Thefatness16

F*ck I do not like the sound of this much at all, especially the info about Miyazaki. It certainly sounds like he was forced out of his position and did not step down willingly, especially upon hearing that he is disappointed he doesn't have a larger role in the game. F*ck.

And please for the love of the series do not change the combat system. The deliberate pace is what makes the combat outstanding.

Damn it.

I am a bit concerned about what they'll do with the combat, but I don't think it will be a drastic overhaul to the whole system. As in, you'll still have to be careful and take your time. There'll be extra moves I guess. On the other hand, I really didn't like the kick move which was added with Dark Souls.

I don't like the sound of this. Guess I'll wait and see how it turns out.

Cautiously optimistic. Some of that sounds pretty good, like updated graphics and return to servers. I really hope they don't mess up the structure though with these changes.

The story, for example, could still work with a more clear cut story. A relation between your character and another that develops in the front, with the backstory still left obscured, would work well in my opinon.

Also some of the areas in Dark Souls are admittedly stupid to find, like if you didn't know to attack that invisible wall in Blight town, and then the invisible wall behind that invisible wall, then you could miss a huge chunk of game and the dragon covenant. I would prefer a convoluted but rewarding puzzle or item collection that leads you to hidden areas, as opposed to just dumb luck or hoping other players make notes for you. In other words, discovery should be more like Painted World and less like Ash Lake.

the only thing souls series always needed is graphics and if it has star wars 1313 graphics, holy sh*t.

silversix_

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

the only thing souls series always needed is graphics and if it has star wars 1313 graphics, holy sh*t.

campzor

I don't understand why people are so worried. Just because the original Dark Souls is a masterpiece does not mean that any attempts to improve upon it will ruin the franchise forever.Timstuff

They seem to be overhauling the things that we think make it great.

Hope this series doesn't get casualized. I would not be happy if that happened

Cautiously optimistic. Some of that sounds pretty good, like updated graphics and return to servers. I really hope they don't mess up the structure though with these changes.

The story, for example, could still work with a more clear cut story. A relation between your character and another that develops in the front, with the backstory still left obscured, would work well in my opinon.

Also some of the areas in Dark Souls are admittedly stupid to find, like if you didn't know to attack that invisible wall in Blight town, and then the invisible wall behind that invisible wall, then you could miss a huge chunk of game and the dragon covenant. I would prefer a convoluted but rewarding puzzle or item collection that leads you to hidden areas, as opposed to just dumb luck or hoping other players make notes for you. In other words, discovery should be more like Painted World and less like Ash Lake.

Vaasman

This is what worries me because I disagree with you. This is one of the main reasons I love this game, that on my seventh playthrough I still find new secrets in the game. When did it become a law that you must experienceevery single aspect of a game on your first playthrough? For the record I was one of these fools that missed Ash Lake on mu initial playthrough and the joy of discovoring it in my second was amazing; a whole new area!!! This is the brilliance of the Souls games design and other more old school games such a Super Mario for example.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Cautiously optimistic. Some of that sounds pretty good, like updated graphics and return to servers. I really hope they don't mess up the structure though with these changes.

The story, for example, could still work with a more clear cut story. A relation between your character and another that develops in the front, with the backstory still left obscured, would work well in my opinon.

Also some of the areas in Dark Souls are admittedly stupid to find, like if you didn't know to attack that invisible wall in Blight town, and then the invisible wall behind that invisible wall, then you could miss a huge chunk of game and the dragon covenant. I would prefer a convoluted but rewarding puzzle or item collection that leads you to hidden areas, as opposed to just dumb luck or hoping other players make notes for you. In other words, discovery should be more like Painted World and less like Ash Lake.

theSADmafioso

This is what worries me because I disagree with you. This is one of the main reasons I love this game, that on my seventh playthrough I still find new secrets in the game. When did it become a law that you must experienceevery single aspect of a game on your first playthrough? For the record I was one of these fools that missed Ash Lake on mu initial playthrough and the joy of discovoring it in my second was amazing; a whole new area!!! This is the brilliance of the Souls games design and other more old school games such a Super Mario for example.

You should feel like the hidden content was simply something you didn't look carefully enough for, you shouldn't ever feel like you were simply cheated out of secret content by poor luck or a lack of extreme meticulousness.

[QUOTE="theSADmafioso"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Cautiously optimistic. Some of that sounds pretty good, like updated graphics and return to servers. I really hope they don't mess up the structure though with these changes.

The story, for example, could still work with a more clear cut story. A relation between your character and another that develops in the front, with the backstory still left obscured, would work well in my opinon.

Also some of the areas in Dark Souls are admittedly stupid to find, like if you didn't know to attack that invisible wall in Blight town, and then the invisible wall behind that invisible wall, then you could miss a huge chunk of game and the dragon covenant. I would prefer a convoluted but rewarding puzzle or item collection that leads you to hidden areas, as opposed to just dumb luck or hoping other players make notes for you. In other words, discovery should be more like Painted World and less like Ash Lake.

Vaasman

This is what worries me because I disagree with you. This is one of the main reasons I love this game, that on my seventh playthrough I still find new secrets in the game. When did it become a law that you must experienceevery single aspect of a game on your first playthrough? For the record I was one of these fools that missed Ash Lake on mu initial playthrough and the joy of discovoring it in my second was amazing; a whole new area!!! This is the brilliance of the Souls games design and other more old school games such a Super Mario for example.

You should feel like the hidden content was simply something you didn't look carefully enough for, you shouldn't ever feel like you were simply cheated out of secret content by poor luck or a lack of extreme meticulousness.

Like I said, I disagree with you. Games didn't show me secrets in the old NES era, because that it the whole point that the Souls games try to recreate; the school ground discussions on how to find the secret stuff. That is the whole purpose why the game has an official Wikipage and why that wall that you mentioned is easily discovered if another player has placed a message there that other players have rated up. The first thing you need to accept about both Souls games is that they don't care that you want to find everything, you have to work and study to get the rewards. This is not only brilliant design in this day and age (used to be common) but it is also why the two Souls games thus far are something of gaming counter culture this gen and worth keeping around. It's okay that you may not like it but there are tons of games that suit you better, but it is not okay to expect every game to change to your desires. I for example hate Assassin's Creed but it's not my place to say those games should change into a Souls game. The diversity is something to be cheerished when it comes to games.

[QUOTE="campzor"]"morality system" sounds awful alreadyTimstuff

If From Software bases their morality system on the grid model instead of the tried and failed morality binary (or "borality" as it should be called), it could be a huge innovation that fixes one of the genre's more problematic artifacts. Most developers don't bother with a real RPG morality system because they think it's too complicated for a video game, but it's possible that From Software is more ambitious than that.

Looks like another series about to be ruined, I really hope not though

• Dynamic lighting
• huge graphical leap ready for next gen
• Edge says PC version it's on par with the fidelity of Watch Dogs and Star Wars 1313
• bigger team working on the game

Thefatness16

These make me happy

• The decision was made by From Soft and Namco for him to step aside.
• The reason given is for the I.P to evolve it needs fresh blood
• Story will be more clear
• morality system
• Early parts are restricted, so it won't be too hard. After a ceartain time, you'll expierence the true Dark Souls

Thefatness16

These make me cry

It's pretty much been all but yelled at us that Miyazaki has been pushed away from further development of this series.

MY hype is pretty much non-existent at this point. It really sounds like they are trying to make this into an entirely different game, and a much kinder and soft experience for all the whining little girls that couldn't figure **** out on their own.

I don't get it, I really don't. This is why genre's exist isn't? So we can have different experiences for different player bases.

you Bamco.

Really don't care if this post offends anyone either. This is just how I feel at the moment

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Not really , I don't think any hardcore DS player cares much about graphics. The greatest graphics wouldn't anything if the gameplay wasn't there. GD1551

I really cannot see how graphics can screw up gameplay in anything unless it has some really obnoxious effects...

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"] I love graphics, but dark souls always looked pretty decent in that regard for me, they had some truly great art design in dark souls as well as demon souls. I just hope the new direction they are supposedly taking with the visuals doesn't screw over the gameplay.savagetwinkie

I really cannot see how graphics can screw up gameplay in anything unless it has some really obnoxious effects...

Someone make a petition for them not to include a morality system.Riadon2

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]Someone make a petition for them not to include a morality system.ReadingRainbow4

One step at a time lol.

Someone make a petition for them not to include a morality system.Riadon2

I think the morality system may be along the lines of the World Tendency from Demon's Souls.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]Someone make a petition for them not to include a morality system.BPoole96

I think the morality system may be along the lines of the World Tendency from Demon's Souls.

I hated that.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]Someone make a petition for them not to include a morality system.BPoole96

I think the morality system may be along the lines of the World Tendency from Demon's Souls.

I wouldn't object strongly to a very subtle morality system, but if it is anything like Mass Effect or Fable then I will be pissed.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="theSADmafioso"]

This is what worries me because I disagree with you. This is one of the main reasons I love this game, that on my seventh playthrough I still find new secrets in the game. When did it become a law that you must experienceevery single aspect of a game on your first playthrough? For the record I was one of these fools that missed Ash Lake on mu initial playthrough and the joy of discovoring it in my second was amazing; a whole new area!!! This is the brilliance of the Souls games design and other more old school games such a Super Mario for example.

theSADmafioso

You should feel like the hidden content was simply something you didn't look carefully enough for, you shouldn't ever feel like you were simply cheated out of secret content by poor luck or a lack of extreme meticulousness.

Like I said, I disagree with you. Games didn't show me secrets in the old NES era, because that it the whole point that the Souls games try to recreate; the school ground discussions on how to find the secret stuff. That is the whole purpose why the game has an official Wikipage and why that wall that you mentioned is easily discovered if another player has placed a message there that other players have rated up. The first thing you need to accept about both Souls games is that they don't care that you want to find everything, you have to work and study to get the rewards. This is not only brilliant design in this day and age (used to be common) but it is also why the two Souls games thus far are something of gaming counter culture this gen and worth keeping around. It's okay that you may not like it but there are tons of games that suit you better, but it is not okay to expect every game to change to your desires. I for example hate Assassin's Creed but it's not my place to say those games should change into a Souls game. The diversity is something to be cheerished when it comes to games.

[QUOTE="theSADmafioso"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]It's only brilliant if I can look back on it and see the hints sprinkled around that there was extra content. If I hear about secrets after the fact, I as a player should be going "Wow that was really clever how they hid that, I'll have to try to find that on my second playthrough," not "oh come on how would I ever have known to do that? Are they expecting me to prod every single wall?"

You should feel like the hidden content was simply something you didn't look carefully enough for, you shouldn't ever feel like you were simply cheated out of secret content by poor luck or a lack of extreme meticulousness.

savagetwinkie

Like I said, I disagree with you. Games didn't show me secrets in the old NES era, because that it the whole point that the Souls games try to recreate; the school ground discussions on how to find the secret stuff. That is the whole purpose why the game has an official Wikipage and why that wall that you mentioned is easily discovered if another player has placed a message there that other players have rated up. The first thing you need to accept about both Souls games is that they don't care that you want to find everything, you have to work and study to get the rewards. This is not only brilliant design in this day and age (used to be common) but it is also why the two Souls games thus far are something of gaming counter culture this gen and worth keeping around. It's okay that you may not like it but there are tons of games that suit you better, but it is not okay to expect every game to change to your desires. I for example hate Assassin's Creed but it's not my place to say those games should change into a Souls game. The diversity is something to be cheerished when it comes to games.

All of those would piss me off, with the exception of a checkpoint just before a boss battle. Running halfway across the map through countless hordes of enemies just to die in a few seconds to the boss and repeat the process gets annoying quick.

Sounds like this game is being Windowized. PC gamers couldn't handle the complexity of the first game so it is being dumbed down to fit their needs. There goes my hype for the game.

Sounds like this game is being Windowized. PC gamers couldn't handle the complexity of the first game so it is being dumbed down to fit their needs. There goes my hype for the game.

RyanShazam

Sounds great, can't wait.

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

• Miyazaki says straight forwardly he won't be involved but will be a supervisor
• The decision was made by From Soft and Namco for him to step aside.
• The reason given is for the I.P to evolve it needs fresh blood
• New director wants to make the covenants and other areas that were difficult to adapt to more accessible
• Early parts are restricted, so it won't be too hard. After a ceartain time, you'll expierence the true Dark Souls

Rocker6

These 5 sound worrisome, and may bring plenty of changes that won't sit well with the "franchise's" fanbase...

A game like Dark Souls caters to its own niche, a very specific group of gamers, as indicated by the sales. It would be very difficult to market this to the "mainstream audiences", and if they try it while abandoning the original fanbase, there's a good chance things won't end well, as they might bring a product no one cares about...

I'll wait until I actually see footage of the game before deciding if any of this will be good or bad.