Crack Down On Pointless Or Opinionless Threads.

question why do I need to have an opinion. What if all I am doing is spreading news. Why do I have to state how I feel about it?

Also what is technically the difference between GGD and SW?

I think before anyone can post a comment they should be forced to read the OP. If they find it too long then stay out of teh thread.

Also if the person comes in the thread saying they don't care then they should be moderated for just trying to be disruptive.

too_much_eslim

Thats trolling. If you see that report it.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Sounds great Cake, I would also love to see that level 1-5 user lock.Jandurin

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I think before anyone can post a comment they should be forced to read the OP. If they find it too long then stay out of teh thread.

Also if the person comes in the thread saying they don't care then they should be moderated for just trying to be disruptive.

cakeorrdeath

Thats trolling. If you see that report it.

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I think before anyone can post a comment they should be forced to read the OP. If they find it too long then stay out of teh thread.

Also if the person comes in the thread saying they don't care then they should be moderated for just trying to be disruptive.

too_much_eslim

Thats trolling. If you see that report it.

The I dont care part.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I think before anyone can post a comment they should be forced to read the OP. If they find it too long then stay out of teh thread.

Also if the person comes in the thread saying they don't care then they should be moderated for just trying to be disruptive.

cakeorrdeath

Thats trolling. If you see that report it.

The I dont care part.

ok. Can you also clarify some issues i had on pg 5?too_much_eslim

How many posts per page do you see?

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

If the thread as dumb as a rock - will get lock !

Official SW Motto ? j/k ;)

SecretPolice

If Tc's IQ is less than a rock, then the thread gets teh lock.

:)

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] ok. Can you also clarify some issues i had on pg 5?cakeorrdeath

How many posts per page do you see?

question why do I need to have an opinion. What if all I am doing is spreading news. Why do I have to state how I feel about it?

Also what is technically the difference between GGD and SW?

too_much_eslim

Opinions create discussion.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

question why do I need to have an opinion. What if all I am doing is spreading news. Why do I have to state how I feel about it?

Also what is technically the difference between GGD and SW?

cakeorrdeath

Opinions create discussion.

Spend 10 minutes in GGD and you will see the difference.

Ok after seeing GGD what is the point of SW then. I mean what is the point of increasing moderation if the point of SW is just to allow a place for fanboys to talk. SW seem like a place that encourages fanboyism.

heck now that I know about GGD I think I am better off spending my time there. The problem is there is more traffic in SW then on any other board.

The problem is there is more traffic in SW then on any other board.

too_much_eslim

question why do I need to have an opinion. What if all I am doing is spreading news. Why do I have to state how I feel about it?

Also what is technically the difference between GGD and SW?

too_much_eslim

You can't really compare the systems in GGD. It's all about the games only.

Well all i can say now that i think about it, your gonna lose alot of traffic around here.

System wars was created specifically for fanboyism, it was created so the mods didn't have to go around cleaning this stuff up from other forums.

and now your basically telling us that what this place was made for is no longer allowed? traffic will definately fall here.

To me that sounds like GGD except with debates. I don't like it. SW is created for the fanboy rants. Without SW you would see fanboy rant's on every board a lot more frequently. Stating opinions a fact=trolling lol...When you are posting anything its an opinion lol. Hell the entire IMO or IMHO phrase needs to be destroyed tbh. This place is nothing more than a shadow of it's self.

Ok after seeing GGD what is the point of SW then. I mean what is the point of increasing moderation if the point of SW is just to allow a place for fanboys to talk. SW seem like a place that encourages fanboyism.

heck now that I know about GGD I think I am better off spending my time there. The problem is there is more traffic in SW then on any other board.

too_much_eslim

oh yes i would like to suggest permantly banning trolls who just troll if they refuse to give up their trolling after repeated warnings. i believe that here on gamespot suspensions are indefinite and aren't linked to banning. that would improve things a lot.crunchUK

we already do that. get too many moderations and you're gone for good.

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]oh yes i would like to suggest permantly banning trolls who just troll if they refuse to give up their trolling after repeated warnings. i believe that here on gamespot suspensions are indefinite and aren't linked to banning. that would improve things a lot.CaseyWegner

we already do that. get too many moderations and you're gone for good.

yes but there is a considerale difference betwwen someon who has been here for 3 years and get say, 10 moderations, and someone who has got moderations almost one straight after the other.

I think disabling users level 1 - 5 thread making abilities in system wars will help keep troll topics from popping up all the time. It might just be me, but I've never seen a topic made by anyone in that level actually post a cool, calm, non-trolling thread, ever. While I know not all low level users aren't complete numb-tards (did I just make that up?), a good majority of them are, or atleast the ones in System Wars.Spartan8907

i agree.

In GGD you can't have any debates. kage_53

Should there be a crackdown on Famitsu, NPD, or software/hardware threads? Most often, the TCs do not present an opinion and post facts and figures on their threads.

One last thing: I suggest that in order to reduce the number of trolls on this forum is to require that poster have at least a level 10 or 15 to post threads. I do remember that it reduced the number of trolls spreading false information on the Super Smash Bros. Brawl shared forum. I may also suggest a "three strikes" rule on trolling or flaming, where people will be banned for trolling or flaming three times on System Wars or on any of the forums.

Should there be a crackdown on Famitsu, NPD, or software/hardware threads? Most often, the TCs do not present an opinion and post facts and figures on their threads.

One last thing: I suggest that in order to reduce the number of trolls on this forum is to require that poster have at least a level 10 or 15 to post threads.

mali

[QUOTE="mali"]

Should there be a crackdown on Famitsu, NPD, or software/hardware threads? Most often, the TCs do not present an opinion and post facts and figures on their threads.

One last thing: I suggest that in order to reduce the number of trolls on this forum is to require that poster have at least a level 10 or 15 to post threads.

darkslider99

if you ask me ithink he means when some breaking news comes up and the whole board gets filled with like 13 identical topics.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]oh yes i would like to suggest permantly banning trolls who just troll if they refuse to give up their trolling after repeated warnings. i believe that here on gamespot suspensions are indefinite and aren't linked to banning. that would improve things a lot.crunchUK

we already do that. get too many moderations and you're gone for good.

yes but there is a considerale difference betwwen someon who has been here for 3 years and get say, 10 moderations, and someone who has got moderations almost one straight after the other.

and we've always taken that into account.

[QUOTE="crunchUK"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]oh yes i would like to suggest permantly banning trolls who just troll if they refuse to give up their trolling after repeated warnings. i believe that here on gamespot suspensions are indefinite and aren't linked to banning. that would improve things a lot.CaseyWegner

we already do that. get too many moderations and you're gone for good.

yes but there is a considerale difference betwwen someon who has been here for 3 years and get say, 10 moderations, and someone who has got moderations almost one straight after the other.

and we've always taken that into account.

WELL THEN i guess EVERYTHING is wrapped up in one convenient PACKAGE :P

Should there be a crackdown on Famitsu, NPD, or software/hardware threads? Most often, the TCs do not present an opinion and post facts and figures on their threads.

One last thing: I suggest that in order to reduce the number of trolls on this forum is to require that poster have at least a level 10 or 15 to post threads. I do remember that it reduced the number of trolls spreading false information on the Super Smash Bros. Brawl shared forum. I may also suggest a "three strikes" rule on trolling or flaming, where people will be banned for trolling or flaming three times on System Wars or on any of the forums.

mali

I think level 10 - 15 is a bit too high. It should be Level 5 at the most.

Well, it's better anyway. Remove the "opinion required in OP" part and it's downright pleasant.

The OP doesn't need an opinion, SW discussion will ensue regardless. Also, I disagree on the level cap. I would not have stayed on Gamespot until level 5 without SW.

Was System Wars not created to bring all the ranting and trolling from the console boards into one spot? Seriously, the more restrictions, the less appealing System Wars becomes. SW used to be alot more interesting and fun when besides the necessary regulations(i.e.- swearing, pr0n, multitheads,double posts,...) the only real regulations were wit, and the community.

At this rate soon we'll have regulation offices,

EPA-Excessive Posting Association CIA- Controllers of Illegal Articles , FCC- Fakeboy Crackdown Commision, FEMA- Factual Error Moderation Association FTC-Federation of Thread Creation NASA-No Arguments of Systems Association OPM- Opinion Posting Management

I'm sorry, but name calling, argueing, ranting, debating, getting people riled up, ganging up, are really the things that this board was founded on and i find are the most fun. I know i've found myself coming less and less to system wars. It seems to me that SW is on the same path that E3 took. Trying to become more functional, strict, and formal. (We all know how that one turned out.) I agree that some of the regulations that have been implaced are somwhat for the better, but there is a point where you should take a step out side of yourself and just say, "Let the community have thier board for once."

Was System Wars not created to bring all the ranting and trolling from the console boards into one spot? Seriously, the more restrictions, the less appealing System Wars becomes. SW used to be alot more interesting and fun when besides the necessary regulations(i.e.- swearing, pr0n, multitheads,double posts,...) the only real regulations were wit, and the community.

At this rate soon we'll have regulation offices,

EPA-Excessive Posting Association CIA- Controllers of Illegal Articles , FCC- Fakeboy Crackdown Commision, FEMA- Factual Error Moderation Association FTC-Federation of Thread Creation NASA-No Arguments of Systems Association OPM- Opinion Posting Management

I'm sorry, but name calling, argueing, ranting, debating, getting people riled up, ganging up, are really the things that this board was founded on and i find are the most fun. I know i've found myself coming less and less to system wars. It seems to me that SW is on the same path that E3 took. Trying to become more functional, strict, and formal. (We all know how that one turned out.) I agree that some of the regulations that have been implaced are somwhat for the better, but there is a point where you should take a step out side of yourself and just say, "Let the community have thier board for once."

S0nicBooom

This post is pure truth. It's not too late to change direction. The outcome of this is a good start, but we need to do much more.

Well, it's better anyway. Remove the "opinion required in OP" part and it's downright pleasant.

The OP doesn't need an opinion, SW discussion will ensue regardless. Also, I disagree on the level cap. I would not have stayed on Gamespot until level 5 without SW.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

1.agree

2. but its different, I only liked SW as well, but I mostly read it and posted in already made threads, imo most ppl who have just entered SW do not start making new topics.

thats just me though

I agree with what TVB said. Not only for the reasons he outlined, but because some mods apparently lack the necessary reading comprehension skills to do their job. Case in point, I was moderated for trolling for this OP (apparently someone forgot to recharge their sarcasm/satire detector). I've had enough problems with moderators taking my posts out of context prior to these new rules, so I'm not exactly thrilled about the potential for even more moderations.

Also sometimes when I create a thread I don't have an opinion (or at least not an obvious "I think X" one) in the OP in order to help create a discussion. To go back to the same post, you'll notice that even though I clearly posted my opinion (even if it was misconstrued by some) there isn't really any discussion. However if I were to make a post saying along the lines of just "Sins of a Solar Empire sells X Copies" without any opinion I think it would be more likely to spark a debate because it forces users to interpret the information themselves. You can't just say "TC is right/wrong".

As for GGD the problem there is that it has as many problems (if not more) concerning rules, moderation and the ToU as SW does. I can live with SW becoming strictly "System X is greater than System Y" if that's the direction people really want to take, but for Christ's sake fix GGD before you decide to dump a bunch of users over there.

[QUOTE="kage_53"] In GGD you can't have any debates. Teufelhuhn

question why do I need to have an opinion. What if all I am doing is spreading news. Why do I have to state how I feel about it?

Also what is technically the difference between GGD and SW?

too_much_eslim

A couple of beers and a functioning personality.

GGD does not allow "system wars content", and takes a different tone from SW. Whether it's "better" or "worse" is a matter of opinion.

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="famicommander"]Yes, this place would be much better if people here learned how to use General Games Discussion and their blogs. I've found that at least half the topics here don't even belong in System Wars.famicommander

Why on earth should System Warriors put their time and effort into a board they don't care about? And for that matter, why would anyone would claims to enjoy GGD and post there *want* SW in there? It would make GGD into "SW Lite" and many of the posters who can't stand the smell of SW would stop posting in GGD.

Could I throw my ballot in here to have mod crackdowns on people stating their opinion as fact? And let me emphasise, I am NOT saying people shouldn't be able to state their opinions, they just shouldn't be able to use the word "fact" in the context of the message when it's only their own opinion.AdobeArtist

It's really frustrating when someone, mid-conversation, realizing they have no leg to stand on for their wild beliefs, suddenly develops psychic powers and uses Wikipedia to edit reality.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I don't want SW merged with GGD - hence why I don't want people being told "take it to GGD". Please, for the good of both SW and GGD - DO NOT send SW posters to GGD.

Teufelhuhn

Precisely - which is why I ask, why would any mod really want to move that discussion to GGD? It's almost as odd as when SW has a big game release, and we mention the game-specific boards. The thing is - the game specific boards are mostly GameFAQ-ers - and most GameSpotters have no clue who those people are, or what's going on there. It's a totally different world from the blog-ified, friends listed, graphically shiny GS-funland.

GGD is like a library compared to SW. And SW is a bar compared to GGD. Of course we seem to be being told that as long as we're opiniated it's ok. So, we're trying to be Fox news and CNN, and not C-SPAN. Frankly maybe as long as people aren't *boring* we shouldn't moderate them - though I'm not sure how you'd word that as a rule, it's rather vague, unless we plan to have a new kind of "ultra-fab" moderator running around posting:

"oh, no, lo-ock-eddd - that hate speech is sooooo last December - get with the times and stop trying to build a bridge to January 07! *snap snap* "

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So, as the rule still seems vague to me - where exactly does the sticky stand on the degree to which a post must be "opinion-ized". Does it have to state the TC stance in the OP? Can the TC declare a neutral stance in the OP and still be within the TOU?

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

Well, it's better anyway. Remove the "opinion required in OP" part and it's downright pleasant.

The OP doesn't need an opinion, SW discussion will ensue regardless. Also, I disagree on the level cap. I would not have stayed on Gamespot until level 5 without SW.

renger6002

1.agree

2. but its different, I only liked SW as well, but I mostly read it and posted in already made threads, imo most ppl who have just entered SW do not start making new topics.

thats just me though

Oh, well if it would only be for making topics, I don't care. :P

So, as the rule still seems vague to me - where exactly does the sticky stand on the degree to which a post must be "opinion-ized". Does it have to state the TC stance in the OP? Can the TC declare a neutral stance in the OP and still be within the TOU?

subrosian

Basically we don't want people just posting screnshots, or just posting links or news articles. Just add a little of yourself to the OP post and you will be fine.

This could potentially serve as ammunition to those who like to believe that this is a dictatorship, it all depends on how it's enforced. To me, it seems that these rules could almost defeat the purpose of System Wars. Although, a cut down on frivolous posts is a great idea, I just don't want SW's humour to be lost in the translation.

"What is the point of my thread?

Am I just trying to annoy people?, am I just trying to boost my post count?, do I not believe what I am saying? If the answer is yes to any of these do not click the submit button."

I'm not sure what this is. Is it a prompt or an encouragement? Or will moderators delete or mod threads that they think are just being made to boost the posters count? If so, how will the mods know if the OP dosen't believe in what he's/she's saying? Do the mods imagine themselves to be the Thought Police, as how will they know? It seems that this could potentially lead to a few unjust moderations.

I'm torn on this idea.

Thats all fine in principle but if you are cracking down on this then how about forcing people to state exact contents of their posts in the title.

You want people to look over, click on and read the initial post in three pages of threads so they don't post something that has already been mentioned? This would currently be the only way to do it.

LOL XXX sux, XXX ftw!1one

[QUOTE="S0nicBooom"]

Was System Wars not created to bring all the ranting and trolling from the console boards into one spot? Seriously, the more restrictions, the less appealing System Wars becomes. SW used to be alot more interesting and fun when besides the necessary regulations(i.e.- swearing, pr0n, multitheads,double posts,...) the only real regulations were wit, and the community.

At this rate soon we'll have regulation offices,

EPA-Excessive Posting Association CIA- Controllers of Illegal Articles , FCC- Fakeboy Crackdown Commision, FEMA- Factual Error Moderation Association FTC-Federation of Thread Creation NASA-No Arguments of Systems Association OPM- Opinion Posting Management

I'm sorry, but name calling, argueing, ranting, debating, getting people riled up, ganging up, are really the things that this board was founded on and i find are the most fun. I know i've found myself coming less and less to system wars. It seems to me that SW is on the same path that E3 took. Trying to become more functional, strict, and formal. (We all know how that one turned out.) I agree that some of the regulations that have been implaced are somwhat for the better, but there is a point where you should take a step out side of yourself and just say, "Let the community have thier board for once."

Tsug_Ze_Wind

This post is pure truth. It's not too late to change direction. The outcome of this is a good start, but we need to do much more.

Yeh,this board is far from messed up. I also wanted to adress the whole "good threads getting lost issue." I find that on eof the biggest problems with this was when they implemented the "HOT" icon for topics. Even though i know i shouldn't, sometimes i tend to only look at the "HOT" items. That was probably one of the worst decisions for the boards.

[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="famicommander"]Yes, this place would be much better if people here learned how to use General Games Discussion and their blogs. I've found that at least half the topics here don't even belong in System Wars.subrosian

Why on earth should System Warriors put their time and effort into a board they don't care about? And for that matter, why would anyone would claims to enjoy GGD and post there *want* SW in there? It would make GGD into "SW Lite" and many of the posters who can't stand the smell of SW would stop posting in GGD.

I remember when I once proposed renaming System Wars to System Debates, or more appropriately Gaming Debates. Taking out the word War would eliminate the idea that different platform gamers are "enemies", thus allowing to emphasise that this is about real argument, argument conducted the way it's supposed to be, with facts and evidence to substantiate the opinions, not simply flaming and trolling (which is what the mods and admins fight to eliminate as that has no place in argument). Then you'd have GGD for non-argumentative discussion.

I remember when I once proposed renaming System Wars to System Debates, or more appropriately Gaming Debates. Taking out the word War would eliminate the idea that different platform gamers are "enemies", thus allowing to emphasise that this is about real argument, argument conducted the way it's supposed to be, with facts and evidence to substantiate the opinions, not simply flaming and trolling (which is what the mods and admins fight to eliminate as that has no place in argument). Then you'd have GGD for non-argumentative discussion.

AdobeArtist

you act as though flaming and trolling can't have structured debates.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="kage_53"] In GGD you can't have any debates. kage_53