Console controllers are terrible for games that require any sort of aiming.

Eh. Depends on the game. For FPS usually I use kb/m. However, recently I found out that I just cannot play Bioshock Infinite with a kb/m. I had to plug in my xbox 360 controller.

RealKilla_789

I found the 360 controller a bit better for Bioshock (the first) especially when there's different weapons on both hands and I need to cycle through different types of plasmids. However for more traditional FPS games like KZ2/KZ3/Crysis/Far Cry 3 (which are all also more open than Bioshock) I like keyboard and mouse better. That mouse-look* becomes important especially when you need to point the gun in one direction and move in another.

* The keyboard and mouse was especially useful against the ATACs in both KZ games.

controller isnt bad for fps its just people that suck at using them cry so devs add auto aim.

yes mouse is more precise but contoller is still precise enough to play a fps with.

It just depends on how much you use it. I'm sure if someone used a controller all their life they'd say the same thing about a mouse if they never used one for gaming.

If a fps on a controller was completely unplayable without auto aim why the hell would i hate auto aim so much?

It makes no sense i hate it because im good enough that i dont need it and it's sucks im forced to compete against people who need it.

That's not skill based that's just crap.

no way in hell no AA could be more randomness than AA based gameplay.

rather than actual skill

Yeah, they are pretty f*cking clunky, slow and unbearable in games which require aiming, wen you switch from a m/kb combo. But that doesn't mean you can't get used to them.

That's like some kid shooting a gun in real life as baby lol dad helping them aim the gun.

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I'd love to see someone try to play Gears multiplayer with KB&M. Pretty sure they wouldn't be able to compete.

 

The point I try to make in these threads is that as superior as mouse is for aiming, keyboard is inferior for movement.

PatchMaster

Prove it, I played gears with M&K, same as dead space.

Wish I could. Problem is controllers are becoming more and more popular on PCs instead of the other way around. TPS's can be played with either method, but I would still argue that a controller would edge out KB&M competitively, similar to how KB&M would edge out a controller in an FPS.

You're serious? Wow.

There is a way to test it--Tomb Raider online.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8h-8rkHp6Q

4 Year Old Shooting AK-47

See how his dad's helping him aim the gun? lol my dad did the same shit when i was 4 years old.

Aim assist=that same scenario as in the video.

A older kid  doesnt need aim assist.

aaaaand yet Gamepads still own the KB + M on professional level gaming.

aaaaand yet Gamepads still own the KB + M on professional level gaming.

Quad4Life

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aaaaand yet Gamepads still own the KB + M on professional level gaming.

DragonfireXZ95

I haven't turned on my PS3 in over a year. Last time I bought an actual PS3 game was in late 2011.

When I bought my PS3 about three years ago, I thought it would be a great way to supplement my PC gaming with some console exclusives that the PC would never get. However, as great as Red Dead Redemption, Metal Gear Solid 4, and the Uncharted games were, I could never get over using the Dualshock as input.

Why? I love the mouse and keyboard because of the precision it gives me in games that require aiming a gun at something. With the controller, it feels fiddly and imprecise.

But, I do recognize that console controllers have their value in certain genres - like fighting and racing games. I much prefer playing Batman: Arkham City on my Xbox 360 controller rather than trying to fiddle with a keyboard and mouse.

However, given that most of the games I play require some level of aiming, I can't stand the lack of precision anymore. Next generation, I'm going back to being a PC-only gamer - for good.

The_Capitalist

You get good with what you play the most with. People would feel the exact same way if they tried to make the move to using a mouse. I have tried both, and I completely disagree with you. I am much better with a controller and I feel it is a much more accurate test of skill. That dosn't make either one of us right since it is just my opinion. However, I would like to point out the fact that your opinion is nothing but that.... an opinion.

I have tried the m/k and I don't know what the fuss is all about, it's just like the d-pad vs arcade sticks for fighting games. A matter of preference. The problem is that once you been using certain controller input for so much time is hard to go to a new one.

I have tried arcade sticks, I used one for months but I still played much better with d-pad because I've been using it since when I was a kid while only playing with stick when I went to the arcades.

This is true. I don't feel natural when playing shooters on my PS3. I still play KZ2 & 3 and the Uncharted Games and I will still play The Last of Us and enjoy them, but I'll still be thinking the whole time, "Man I wish this was on my PC instead."

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aaaaand yet Gamepads still own the KB + M on professional level gaming.

Quad4Life

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Naw, controller is still better for TPS. I can't imagine trying to use a keyboard for movement in games likes Gears and Uncharted.

PatchMaster

I'd love to see someone try to play Gears multiplayer with KB&M. Pretty sure they wouldn't be able to compete.

The point I try to make in these threads is that as superior as mouse is for aiming, keyboard is inferior for movement.

With a keyboard you can dodge and melee without losing movement or aiming. Only way to do that with a controller is the lame claw method. Also theirs kb's with sticks that offer full analog movement.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Quad4Life"]

aaaaand yet Gamepads still own the KB + M on professional level gaming.

Quad4Life

Not seeing the proof I'm afraid

Everyone knows the keyboard is garbage for gaming, its only the mouse that makes pc games easy, no debate needed here.

Console controllers are better for action/adventure and platformer games imo. I couldn't imagine playing a RTS or MMO with a console controller though.

Naw, controller is still better for TPS. I can't imagine trying to use a keyboard for movement in games likes Gears and Uncharted.

PatchMaster

Actually, I tried just that with both UC2 and UC3 using a mouse and keyboard converter. The keyboard and mouse combo was quite good. The only problem I had was at the very beginning of Urban Warfare in UC2 where the character had to autoaim/autofire while running towards the screen to get away from the truck. It wasn't too hard although I had to use two hands on the keyboard. Everything else in the game using conventional buttons were superb.

I breezed through Urban Warfare in record time using the keyboard and mouse. Killing off the mercs were so ridiculously easy I decided to just stick with the controller for the Uncharted games. I imagine the keyboard and mouse would be great for Uncharted MP games though. 

Edit:

The biggest problem I had with my converter was remembering which controller button was mapped to a keyboard key because I'm still using the same profile I used for the Killzone games. It took a few minutes to adjust.

Everyone knows the keyboard is garbage for gaming, its only the mouse that makes pc games easy, no debate needed here.

EvanTheGamer

Nope

Everyone knows the keyboard is garbage for gaming, its only the mouse that makes pc games easy, no debate needed here.

EvanTheGamer

I'd much rather use a Wii Remote and Nunchuk for aiming than analog sticks. Way more accurate and comfortable.

Anyone who says a controller is just a good for aiming, is clearly in denial (or straight up dumb)

There is a reason why console shooters have aim assist EN MASSE

Imagine having to browse the web, and use your analog stick to control the curser. Yeah, awful.

nah they're ok. Just not as accurate.

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I haven't turned on my PS3 in over a year. Last time I bought an actual PS3 game was in late 2011. 

When I bought my PS3 about three years ago, I thought it would be a great way to supplement my PC gaming with some console exclusives that the PC would never get. However, as great as Red Dead Redemption, Metal Gear Solid 4, and the Uncharted games were, I could never get over using the Dualshock as input.

Why? I love the mouse and keyboard because of the precision it gives me in games that require aiming a gun at something. With the controller, it feels fiddly and imprecise. 

But, I do recognize that console controllers have their value in certain genres - like fighting and racing games. I much prefer playing Batman: Arkham City on my Xbox 360 controller rather than trying to fiddle with a keyboard and mouse.

However, given that most of the games I play require some level of aiming, I can't stand the lack of precision anymore. Next generation, I'm going back to being a PC-only gamer - for good. 

The_Capitalist

Naw, controller is still better for TPS. I can't imagine trying to use a keyboard for movement in games likes Gears and Uncharted.

PatchMaster

Naw, controller is still better for TPS. I can't imagine trying to use a keyboard for movement in games likes Gears and Uncharted.

PatchMaster

The is blue.  This isn't really news

wis3boi

The.

..This is sorcery! What other secrets are you hiding??? 

Why would a third person game play any better with a controller, the basic principles are the same. You click on stuff. Any game that involves curser/crosshair moving, is facepalmingly (new word) bad with an analog stick, when compared to a mouse.

Why would a third person game play any better with a controller, 

AndersK

I will only use a controller for racers, fighters, hack and slash, and 2D platformers. For FPS/TPS, controllers are far too clunky. Only advantage controllers have is movement since it is an analog input rather than digital.

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Optical_Order

The.

..This is sorcery! What other secrets are you hiding??? 

damnit D:

I can't remember the last time I tried to use a controller...actually, I don't think I ever did. I've just always used a keyboard and mouse for all of my games, never had any issues with them. Just right click and/or hold and fire for FPS and TPS. I also don't get why people have a problem with movement controls, I mean, are they using the arrow keys or something or what?

I thnk you jusr suck. and controllers are more comforatdabel than any KB mouse set up, they work well for a wide variety of genre's.  GTA, Max Payne, etc.

here ya go TC 

http://store.xim3.com/XIM-EDGE_p_12.html

I thnk you jusr suck. and controllers are more comforatdabel than any KB mouse set up, they work well for a wide variety of genre's.  GTA, Max Payne, etc.

Blazed

I thnk you jusr suck. and controllers are more comforatdabel than any KB mouse set up, they work well for a wide variety of genre's.  GTA, Max Payne, etc.

Blazed

Why would a third person game play any better with a controller, the basic principles are the same. You click on stuff. Any game that involves curser/crosshair moving, is facepalmingly (new word) bad with an analog stick, when compared to a mouse.

AndersK

Perhaps they meant 3rd-person games with an isometric view such as Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light:

If so, then yes. No contest. I'd prefer a controller for such games.

Edit:

In fact, it's this very game that prompted me to buy a 360 controller for my PC. Too frustrating with keyboard n mouse.

[QUOTE="AndersK"]

Why would a third person game play any better with a controller, the basic principles are the same. You click on stuff. Any game that involves curser/crosshair moving, is facepalmingly (new word) bad with an analog stick, when compared to a mouse.

jun_aka_pekto

Perhaps they meant 3rd-person games with an isometric view such as Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light:

If so, then yes. No contest. I'd prefer a controller for such games.

Edit:

In fact, it's this very game that prompted me to buy a 360 controller for my PC. Too frustrating with keyboard n mouse.

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[QUOTE="Blazed"]

I thnk you jusr suck. and controllers are more comforatdabel than any KB mouse set up, they work well for a wide variety of genre's.  GTA, Max Payne, etc.

Cranler

I haven't turned on my PS3 in over a year. Last time I bought an actual PS3 game was in late 2011. 

When I bought my PS3 about three years ago, I thought it would be a great way to supplement my PC gaming with some console exclusives that the PC would never get. However, as great as Red Dead Redemption, Metal Gear Solid 4, and the Uncharted games were, I could never get over using the Dualshock as input.

Why? I love the mouse and keyboard because of the precision it gives me in games that require aiming a gun at something. With the controller, it feels fiddly and imprecise. 

But, I do recognize that console controllers have their value in certain genres - like fighting and racing games. I much prefer playing Batman: Arkham City on my Xbox 360 controller rather than trying to fiddle with a keyboard and mouse.

However, given that most of the games I play require some level of aiming, I can't stand the lack of precision anymore. Next generation, I'm going back to being a PC-only gamer - for good. 

The_Capitalist

[QUOTE="The_Capitalist"]

I haven't turned on my PS3 in over a year. Last time I bought an actual PS3 game was in late 2011. 

When I bought my PS3 about three years ago, I thought it would be a great way to supplement my PC gaming with some console exclusives that the PC would never get. However, as great as Red Dead Redemption, Metal Gear Solid 4, and the Uncharted games were, I could never get over using the Dualshock as input.

Why? I love the mouse and keyboard because of the precision it gives me in games that require aiming a gun at something. With the controller, it feels fiddly and imprecise. 

But, I do recognize that console controllers have their value in certain genres - like fighting and racing games. I much prefer playing Batman: Arkham City on my Xbox 360 controller rather than trying to fiddle with a keyboard and mouse.

However, given that most of the games I play require some level of aiming, I can't stand the lack of precision anymore. Next generation, I'm going back to being a PC-only gamer - for good. 

robbie80

controllers just suck at FPS