Confirmed: MS retracts Xbox One DRM and Internet Policies (Keep it here)

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#201 omho88
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but the cloud ? !!! :lol:

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#202 Truth_Hurts_U
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That's the old FAQ. The new page linked in the update is not up yet. Reading comprehension ftw.

Baranga

I'm sorry but people saying confirmed need reading comprehension. The link does not work.

NO COMFIRMATION AS OF YET... Stop saying there is.

BTW there is where the link takes you.

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#203 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Even if Microsoft changes their policies, the damage is already done. They're going to be in for one really difficult product launch come November.

OneLazyAsian

Kinda like PS3 having a lack luster game library for years, showing a bunch of ports to take them away at launch, BC first two console then take it away, no rumble then adds rumble, ect. Damage is not done.

100+ million PS2 sold at PS3 launch compared to ~80 million PS3 sold when the PS4 launches? Damage was done.

Do not know what that has to do with what I said but ok. Also you do not have any official numbers saying 80+ million so stop.
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#204 catfishmoon23
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The official update was still weak. The console is still pretty restrictive and binding you to an online connection. Used games and trading games are still very unclear. 

Still $100 more for worse hardware and a whole mess of legal confusion.

shadiezz2012

lems are trying way to hard to find things to get happy about i don't see any change here ..it the same BS with much weaker console and 100$ more

I'm not a lem, but if you read the article you will see the following update (which I've posted a few times in this thread already) 

Update on June 19, 2013: As a result of feedback from the Xbox community, we have changed certain policies for Xbox One reflected in this blog. Some of this information is no longer accurate  please check here for the latest.

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#205 carlisledavid79
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The lesson learned from all this is don't fvck with the consumer
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#206 Chutebox  Online
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MS drm was to protect middle tier developers and publishers. Now I foresee many more companies going under. Expect more sequels and Call of Duty goodness. Less middle tier games because they are too risky and expensive to make.

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#207 hexashadow13
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[QUOTE="Baranga"]

That's the old FAQ. The new page linked in the update is not up yet. Reading comprehension ftw.

Truth_Hurts_U

I'm sorry but people saying confirmed need reading comprehension. The link does not work.

NO COMFIRMATION AS OF YET... Stop saying there is.

BTW there is where the link takes you.

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You use internet explorer... WTF man... WTF?
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#208 FoxbatAlpha
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he said 360:lol:

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You mean 720? :)
Good. The people have spoken and they listened if that's the case. Heil68
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#209 Capitan_Kid
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I doubt they're gonna change anything drastic. Would be nice tho. I want Killer Instinct
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#210 XboxStache
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[QUOTE="XboxStache"]

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]

IT'S REAL: http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa

THEY ARE CHANGING STUFF. NOT CONFIRMED WHAT.

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OMG!!! IT'S REAL!!! I LOVE XBOX!!!

 

 

Should probably slow your roll till it's confirmed bud.

I know. But I can't help it. Don and Major are dead sexy.
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#211 EPaul
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But the cloud..........What about Driveatars?

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#212 jimmypsn
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[QUOTE="jimmypsn"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] Just like my 4-5 friends who all had multiple RRoDs? PS4 is going to dominate the next-gen console wars. neo418

Like the PS3 was supposed to dominate. Umm. ok.lol

And did the 360 dominate the ps3...... oh wait nope 

+55 million install base from last gen Profitable since 2007. 50 million XBL install base. MS 7 billion pure profit per quarter. Sony -80 million install base Lost tens of billions since PS3 launched. Lost all the money they made on PS1 and PS2 Nuff said.
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#213 Truth_Hurts_U
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You use internet explorer... WTF man... WTF?hexashadow13

Been using it since the mid 90's. Nothing wrong with it.

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#214 timbers_WSU
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IGN and Gametrailers are reporting it now. I am guessing Gamestop and not taking any more preorders might of had something to do with this. Now if Microsoft drops to $399 they are back in the game and quick. (They were never out of it though.)

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#215 clone01
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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

Doubt it. Major Nelson has stated that they will not change anyting about the X1.

NEWMAHAY

Major Nelson also states blatantly wrong information

 


This change has to be do to the preorder massacre

Major Nelson states what Microsoft tells him to state. That's his job.
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#216 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="neo418"]

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"] Like the PS3 was supposed to dominate. Umm. ok.loljimmypsn

And did the 360 dominate the ps3...... oh wait nope 

+55 million install base from last gen Profitable since 2007. 50 million XBL install base. MS 7 billion pure profit per quarter. Sony -80 million install base Lost tens of billions since PS3 launched. Lost all the money they made on PS1 and PS2 Nuff said.

The best link they can show for PS3 beating the 360 is VGcharts.
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#217 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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The lesson learned from all this is don't fvck with the consumer carlisledavid79
And yet apple keeps on smiling!
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#218 Chutebox  Online
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But the cloud..........What about Driveatars?

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#219 Zevvion
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The official update was still weak. The console is still pretty restrictive and binding you to an online connection. Used games and trading games are still very unclear. 

Still $100 more for worse hardware and a whole mess of legal confusion.

shadiezz2012
lems are trying way to hard to find things to get happy about i don't see any change here ..it the same BS with much weaker console and 100$ more

Ugh... you can tell it's the exact same information as weeks ago yes? You see the update at the top saying June 19 update yes? When you click on it nothing happens yes? Isn't it still obvious to you they are still working on getting this information up?
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#220 hexashadow13
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[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

Doubt it. Major Nelson has stated that they will not change anyting about the X1.

clone01

Major Nelson also states blatantly wrong information

 


This change has to be do to the preorder massacre

Major Nelson states what Microsoft tells him to state. That's his job.

He stated that removing the online check and DRM functionality would be very difficult in an interview with Angry Joe. Was that BS, or could this possibly lead to a launch delay?
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#221 ferrarimanf355
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I really, really hope this is true, because I really want Forza Motorsport 5 and Killer Instinct, but don't want to support the inane DRM policies. 

I preordered a Day One Edition on Amazon, just in case this is legit. 

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#222 TecmoGirl
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Dear god I hope it's true. Confirm it MS and I'll cancel my PS4 preorder right away. 

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#223 omho88
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Don't you ppl find it strange that it happened so fast? I mean, MS has apparantly made its complete strategy on that crap they tried to advertise and they suddenly dropped everything all together only less than 10 days after E3 ... has this been confirmed ?

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#224 Zevvion
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]The lesson learned from all this is don't fvck with the consumer blue_hazy_basic
And yet apple keeps on smiling!

That's because Apple consumers don't know they've been ripped off.
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#225 shadiezz2012
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[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]No they took out the parts where it talks about check in. They are planning to update it soon.Truth_Hurts_U

You still need to have an internet connection. Still now word on how used works.

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so nothing changed ?!:O
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#226 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]But I thought lems loved those features and they were the future of gaming. What happened lems?? :(kuraimen

making stuff up again?

Lol STFU there are a lot of lems who were saying this was the future.

and loved it? sure. you're making stuff up again.

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#227 haziqonfire
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Yeah. Also Sony has just been offering a better product overall. Cheaper, better hardware, a larger focus on games, and just less bad press.

Wasdie

Kinda like PS3 having a lack luster game library for years, showing a bunch of ports to take them away at launch, BC first two console then take it away, no rumble then adds rumble, ect. Damage is not done.CanYouDiglt

I should have clarified, I suppose. I'm not talking about the entire console's life span. I'm talking about this holiday season. Microsoft's mixed messaging is going to hurt them and fixing it is not at all easy. Come November, some people are still going to their friends, family, etc that the Xbox One blocks used games/requires an online connection, despite the fact that that might not very well be the case now. This mixed messaging is as bad as Nintendo's was with the Wii/Wii U branding at launch and conveying why the GamePad is a must have feature.

Sony's just put themselves in a much more favourable light ever since the Xbox One reveal, even if they were only telling half truths on stage at E3. I mean just look at how people all around the gaming world reacted by saying Sony the clear winner of E3 only because of the price and stance on used games. If the DRM issue wasn't such a big deal, Sony would be taking major flak for charging for online play now and for their weak exclusive content showing for launch.

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#228 CanYouDiglt
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I really, really hope this is true, because I really want Forza Motorsport 5 and Killer Instinct, but don't want to support the inane DRM policies. 

I preordered a Day One Edition on Amazon, just in case this is legit. 

ferrarimanf355

I really want quantum break and D4 plus would rather Titanfall on console. Soi I am also hoping it is legit.

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#229 wolverine4262
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Joystiq is confirming it. I wouldnt be surprised if some execs (Donny boy) get fired soon.
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#230 OneLazyAsian
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[QUOTE="OneLazyAsian"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Kinda like PS3 having a lack luster game library for years, showing a bunch of ports to take them away at launch, BC first two console then take it away, no rumble then adds rumble, ect. Damage is not done.CanYouDiglt

100+ million PS2 sold at PS3 launch compared to ~80 million PS3 sold when the PS4 launches? Damage was done.

Do not know what that has to do with what I said but ok. Also you do not have any official numbers saying 80+ million so stop.

PS3 will never be as good as the PS2 was because Sony damaged their own brand with their stupidity and cockiness. Never said anything about having official numbers for PS3. I am guessing that they will barely hit 80 million PS3 sold by around holiday 2013 when the PS4 is rumored to launch. Point is, the damage from MS's PR disaster will follow it through this generation just like Sony's last generation.

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#231 lagos4u2c
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Looks like that Navy Times article really put a dent in Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised if the US military threatened Microsoft in some way.
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#232 Truth_Hurts_U
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so nothing changed ?!:Oshadiezz2012

As of right now no... But there is suposted to be a link... Does nothing and only takes you to the news.

All we have is the old info.

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#233 omho88
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[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]

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Dear god I hope it's true. Confirm it MS and I'll cancel my PS4 preorder right away. 

No you won't :P
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#234 Zevvion
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Don't you ppl find it strange that it happened so fast? I mean, MS has apparantly made its complete strategy on that crap they tried to advertise and they suddenly dropped everything all together only less than 10 days after E3 ... has this been confirmed ?

omho88
Dude, it's not that fast. Sony decided AFTER Microsofts E3 conference to price their system at 399 and to put the message out they support used games. Contrary to what they said, they didn't have that plan all along. It's called competition. Microsoft doing this is showing they are trying to compete.
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#235 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"] Major Nelson also states blatantly wrong information

 


This change has to be do to the preorder massacre

hexashadow13
Major Nelson states what Microsoft tells him to state. That's his job.

He stated that removing the online check and DRM functionality would be very difficult in an interview with Angry Joe. Was that BS, or could this possibly lead to a launch delay?

Most likely BS. BS that Microsoft told him to say. He's public relations. He's not the one who implements these policies. He's just the one trying to convey it to the consumer using guidelines set by the corporate higher-ups.
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#236 jimmypsn
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Does this mean we can no longer carry our entire X1 game libraries from console to console?

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#237 heeweesRus
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Does this mean we can no longer carry our entire X1 game libraries from console to console?

jimmypsn

yeah, it looks like that feature has been canceled :(

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#238 super600  Moderator
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Yessssssssss!:D

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#239 GrannyGoat
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its official. cows are finished.

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#240 Heil68
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[QUOTE="EPaul"]

But the cloud..........What about Driveatars?

Chutebox

oh **** that tech if it comes at the expense of the customer.
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#241 shadiezz2012
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[QUOTE="vashkey"]This is why it's good to have competition. For once I will say it, thanks Sony, for making Xbox better.

by making a much worse system and ask for 100$ more yeah ....NO but i agreecompetition is good
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#242 FireEmblem74
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good to hear, I pretty much expected them to do "something." As for ps3, still in my radar. but this is awesome.
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#243 jimmypsn
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Oh well. Back to the status quo I guess. Hopefully publishers and third parties have a way to survive using online passes and microtransactions. How well is the overall game industry today?

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#244 CaseyWegner
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now cows can bash the price and gam...the price.

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#245 gbrading
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Confirmed. Don Mattrick statement here. http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

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#246 DrTrafalgarLaw
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Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

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#247 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"] Major Nelson also states blatantly wrong information

 


This change has to be do to the preorder massacre

hexashadow13

Major Nelson states what Microsoft tells him to state. That's his job.

He stated that removing the online check and DRM functionality would be very difficult in an interview with Angry Joe. Was that BS, or could this possibly lead to a launch delay?

No he didn't. Angry joe implied it would be as easy as flipping a switch

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#248 Ultrabeatdown55
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Sure this is good for all of us, but it sure makes Microsoft look like a bunch of pussies.

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#249 Zevvion
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Joystiq is confirming it. I wouldnt be surprised if some execs (Donny boy) get fired soon.wolverine4262
Yeah, he has been terrible. But I don't think he can get fired over public backlash that has nothing to do with actual sales and profit.
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#250 KungfuKitten
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Even if they gave it their all MS still wouldn't have noteworthy exclusives.
But I would applaud it if Sony and MS don't use crazy DRM restrictions and confuzzling policies.