Can we finally admit the Wii U is last generation now?

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

You guys are all thinking way too deep into this lol. But its funny watching tho. :D

rjdofu

I have no idea whats deep about that.  He was acting like they don't when clearly they do.  Its simple actually.

:lol:

I forgot I even had it.  Is that guy banned now?  I haven't seen him since that day.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

People want to write off the Wii U as being last gen so they wont have to acknowledge the high scores, inevitable GOTYs, and likely high sales.

Same way people tried to put the Wii in its own category last gen to discredit any accomplishments it had.

Preemptive damage control at its worst.

 

I will laugh my ass off if the Wii U outsells the PS4 this coming holiday and gets a goty... "but, bu, bu teh standerdz!"  :cry:

 

ConanTheStoner

Yep, history has sure proven that Nintendo normally gets those haha.

Actually yes, yes it has.  Were you trying to be funny?

Actually it hasn't, they've had the least games for 3 generations now, 6 GOTYs, 3 of which being on the GC, the least sales bar this generation (hurr dreamcast). So I don't know what you are talking about.

When the Playstation 4 announced it was hard for me to remember if the WiiU is real or not..Does it exist? Just read the title it was a last gen console no wonder

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Yep, history has sure proven that Nintendo normally gets those haha.

GD1551

Actually yes, yes it has.  Were you trying to be funny?

Actually it hasn't, they've had the least games for 3 generations now, 6 GOTYs, 3 of which being on the GC, the least sales bar this generation (hurr dreamcast). So I don't know what you are talking about.

Ok, so again.  They get lots of gotys.  Lots of high scoring games, usually (pretty much always) the highest scoring of the gen.  Lots of high selling games.  And besides the GC there hardware always does very well.

What you're dealing with, in basic terms, is Scotoma.

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

I have no idea whats deep about that.  He was acting like they don't when clearly they do.  Its simple actually.

rjdofu

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

Actually yes, yes it has.  Were you trying to be funny?

ConanTheStoner

Actually it hasn't, they've had the least games for 3 generations now, 6 GOTYs, 3 of which being on the GC, the least sales bar this generation (hurr dreamcast). So I don't know what you are talking about.

Ok, so again.  They get lots of gotys.  Lots of high scoring games, usually (pretty much always) the highest scoring of the gen.  Lots of high selling games.  And besides the GC there hardware always does very well.

What you're dealing with, in basic terms, is Scotoma.

So how did that work out this gen? I like how you use the word "lots" liberally, when they always have by far the least, and who cares about having the highest scoring game this gen? Again the "lots" of high selling games.. lol, you mean all the Mario games right?....lmao the 64 and GC did not sell well.

Generation isn't determined by specs.GLove093093

[QUOTE="Heil68"]No, it's not determined by power. GD1551

Then what is it determined by? It seems quite clear at least to the industry, that it's determined by capabilities of the system.

No. The industry defines generations by model succession. The Wii U succeeded the Wii, just as Wii succeeded Gamecube, that succeeded SNES, and so on. Same as PS3 succeeded PS2... do you see how this works now?

Only ignorant and biased fanboys use the "power argument". Which is irrelevant since power isn't always equal within the same generation. Or do you want to say PS2 wasn't in the same generation as Xbox and Gamecube, going by your "logic" (and I'm being generous granting the word logic in your case here)

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]Console generations are not determined by power at all, it's all written down here, its by succession Magnavox oddyssey Ves-Atari2600 Coleco vision-NES-Sega master system Snes-Megadrive Ps1-N64-Atari jaguar-Saturn-3DO-pippin Ps2-Gamecube-xbox Ps3-Wii-Xbox 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console

delta3074

It says the PS 4 will be the first of the new gen.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]No, it's not determined by power. jg4xchamp

Which may very well be, but as anybody with a grasp of logic can understand, "leagues" is not the same thing as "generations".

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Actually it hasn't, they've had the least games for 3 generations now, 6 GOTYs, 3 of which being on the GC, the least sales bar this generation (hurr dreamcast). So I don't know what you are talking about.

GD1551

Ok, so again.  They get lots of gotys.  Lots of high scoring games, usually (pretty much always) the highest scoring of the gen.  Lots of high selling games.  And besides the GC there hardware always does very well.

What you're dealing with, in basic terms, is Scotoma.

So how did that work out this gen? I like how you use the word "lots" liberally, when they always have by far the least, and who cares about having the highest scoring game this gen? Again the "lots" of high selling games.. lol, you mean all the Mario games right?....lmao the 64 and GC did not sell well.

You're really trying hard to sweep anything Nintendo under the rug.  I have no idea this is such a personal issue for you.  Either that, or you're just oblivious to the facts.

You tried to say that historically, Nintendo does not have these merits.  Yet all you have to do is look at some #s to see that you're wrong.

You try to say that Nintendo doesnt get high scoring games.  It is a fact that they have among the most high scoring titles each gen.

You try to say Nintendo doesnt get GotYs.  It is a fact that Nintendo gets them each gen.

You try to say that Nintendo hardware doesnt sell well.  Again, minus the Gamecube, they always manage at least reasonable hardware sales, and sometimes great!

And yes, Mario does sell well.  Is that not allowed?  You wouldnt be trying to curve this argument to fit with your desired beliefs would you?  Anyways, its not just Mario.  They have tons of great selling games.

You're very quick to cherry pick data that suits you and ignore anything and everything that does not.

Very transparent my friend.  Like an open book.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

No, it's not determined by power. Heil68

Then what is it determined by? It seems quite clear at least to the industry, that it's determined by capabilities of the system.

No. The industry defines generations by model succession. The Wii U succeeded the Wii, just as Wii succeeded Gamecube, that succeeded SNES, and so on. Same as PS3 succeeded PS2... do you see how this works now?

Only ignorant and biased fanboys use the "power argument". Which is irrelevant since power isn't always equal within the same generation. Or do you want to say PS2 wasn't in the same generation as Xbox and Gamecube, going by your "logic" (and I'm being generous granting the word logic in your case here)

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Cranler"]

It says the PS 4 will be the first of the new gen.

Cranler

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Then what is it determined by? It seems quite clear at least to the industry, that it's determined by capabilities of the system.

Cranler

No. The industry defines generations by model succession. The Wii U succeeded the Wii, just as Wii succeeded Gamecube, that succeeded SNES, and so on. Same as PS3 succeeded PS2... do you see how this works now?

Only ignorant and biased fanboys use the "power argument". Which is irrelevant since power isn't always equal within the same generation. Or do you want to say PS2 wasn't in the same generation as Xbox and Gamecube, going by your "logic" (and I'm being generous granting the word logic in your case here)

Swing and a miss.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Cranler"]

It says the PS 4 will be the first of the new gen.

Cranler

NO it doesn't, can you read? 'Sony's Playstation 4 is the latest major eight generation console.' Latest is not first 'On the home console front, the Wii U introduces a controller/tablet hybrid whose features include the possibility of augmented reality in gaming. Microsoft is expected to release a new eighth generation console later in the year.' Learn to read dude.delta3074

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

No. The industry defines generations by model succession. The Wii U succeeded the Wii, just as Wii succeeded Gamecube, that succeeded SNES, and so on. Same as PS3 succeeded PS2... do you see how this works now?

Only ignorant and biased fanboys use the "power argument". Which is irrelevant since power isn't always equal within the same generation. Or do you want to say PS2 wasn't in the same generation as Xbox and Gamecube, going by your "logic" (and I'm being generous granting the word logic in your case here)

Swing and a miss.

I've seen term next gen used by authors in articles to define the next steps in tech. So it seems that like many other words in our language it has multiple meanings.

ugh.. why do people even care about what generation a system is in? it makes no difference.

ugh.. why do people even care about what generation a system is in? it makes no difference.

Sword-Demon

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] So if Sega released a monster console it would be 7th gen? Cranler

Swing and a miss.

If sega did release a new console now, it would be an 8th gen system as it's in the release cycle of the PS4 and Wii U. Again power has nothing to do with it.

Let's just say it's 8th gen and PS4/720 are 9th gen.fernandmondego_

Yeah lets do that. Ouya and Wii U can duke it out in the 8th gen while PS4/720 will bring about the 9th gen :P

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]Let's just say it's 8th gen and PS4/720 are 9th gen.BPoole96

Yeah lets do that. Ouya and Wii U can duke it out in the 8th gen while PS4/720 will bring about the 9th gen :P

WiiU - 8th Gen

PS4 - 8th Gen

Is it really that hard to understand :?

WiiU - 8th Gen

PS4 - 8th Gen

Is it really that hard to understand :?

madsnakehhh

WiiU - 8th Gen

PS4 - 9th Gen

Is it really that hard to understand :?

madsnakehhh

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]Let's just say it's 8th gen and PS4/720 are 9th gen.Pete-B

Yeah lets do that. Ouya and Wii U can duke it out in the 8th gen while PS4/720 will bring about the 9th gen :P

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

WiiU - 8th Gen

PS4 - 9th Gen

Is it really that hard to understand :?

fernandmondego_

It must be true if you say it :roll:

Wii-U ,PS4and the next Xbox are all 8th gen.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

WiiU - 8th Gen

PS4 - 9th Gen

Is it really that hard to understand :?

madsnakehhh

It must be true if you say it :roll:

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Swing and a miss.

If sega did release a new console now, it would be an 8th gen system as it's in the release cycle of the PS4 and Wii U. Again power has nothing to do with it.

Generations are not determined by power.

Boolehoo, it's not as powerful as other current gen offerings :cry:

That doesn't matter. The Dreamcast was released earlier and weaker than the oncoming competition, yet it's still considered sixth gen - same as the Xbox. It's about timing.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Dodging the question. Cranler

If sega did release a new console now, it would be an 8th gen system as it's in the release cycle of the PS4 and Wii U. Again power has nothing to do with it.

My main point was, any new system is considered current generation when it succeeds its previous model by the company. This is to combat the myth that Wii U is last gen because of a power difference. In the case of Sega, even having skipped a generation, a newly released one now wouldn't be "last gen" because it had to catch up with it's generational gap. It would be current/next gen, regardless of power stature.

It's still about newer systems replacing the older ones, and it's exceptionally rare that a company having dropped out, comes back to replace an old system 1 or 2 generations later. Atari tried this with the Jaguar to compete with the SNES and Genesis, and failed, but it was still current to that gen, not the NES gen that was already past its time.

No, it's not determined by power. Heil68

Nintendo released it compete with Next gen consoles, hardware wise is not next gen.Rattlesnake_8

The gen is defined by the time the console releases, not by it' power. Also the gap between the systems isn't as big as cows want you make belive

The Wii-U is the laughing stock of gaming consoles kinda like how the New York Jets is for Football :lol:

When will people realize that the word generation implies time. It's not rocket science people, seriously.Shottayouth13-