Breaking; Jim Ryan steps down!

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#101 KvallyX
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@Antwan3K said:
@Zero_epyon said:

Let's hope the next CEO is like Shawn Layden. GaaS games suck.

you mean this Shawn Layden?.. Former PlayStation Boss Says AAA Game Development Is Unsustainable

He was right. First party games from Sony rely on revenue from a third party game, Call of Duty.

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#102 Zero_epyon
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@kvallyx said:
@Antwan3K said:
@Zero_epyon said:

Let's hope the next CEO is like Shawn Layden. GaaS games suck.

you mean this Shawn Layden?.. Former PlayStation Boss Says AAA Game Development Is Unsustainable

He was right. First party games from Sony rely on revenue from a third party game, Call of Duty.

Agreed. AAA development budgets are massive and that is one of the reasons why these companies raised their game and subscription prices and have disgusting microtransactions. Also why games are taking 4-6 years to make instead of two or three.

He also didn't like GaaS games because they suck and isn't a fan of consolidation in the gaming industry.

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#103 Pedro
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@kvallyx said:
@Pedro said:

Sony is leaving console gaming.😎

I wouldn't be surprised. No games for the past 12 months, and the leader has taken off like a bat out of hell.

Prepare for a mobile-focused Sony.🙃

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#104  Edited By VatususReturns
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@pclover1980 said:

F for Jimbo. FWIW, Cows might now celebrate cos the next big wig might not bring their exclusives to PC anymore.

Not really cos the PC releases still make Sony money.

Not really. Horizon, Spider-man and GoW were successes on PC. The rest... not so much

Returnal Is Sony's Second Most Unpopular PC Game at Launch | Push Square

Ratchet & Clank PC port sold even worse than The Last Of Us Part 1 | Metro News

PlayStation Exclusive Sackboy is Flopping on PC (gamerant.com)

I think if this keeps on going, Sony might start carefuly selecting which games to release on PC instead of releasing almost every single 1st party game like they've been under Jim's control

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#105 kuu2
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PlayStation is doing so well the head of it is getting the boot.

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#106  Edited By Pedro
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@vatususreturns said:
@pclover1980 said:

F for Jimbo. FWIW, Cows might now celebrate cos the next big wig might not bring their exclusives to PC anymore.

Not really cos the PC releases still make Sony money.

Not really. Horizon, Spider-man and GoW were successes on PC. The rest... not so much

Returnal Is Sony's Second Most Unpopular PC Game at Launch | Push Square

Ratchet & Clank PC port sold even worse than The Last Of Us Part 1 | Metro News

PlayStation Exclusive Sackboy is Flopping on PC (gamerant.com)

I think if this keeps on going, Sony might start carefuly selecting which games to release on PC instead of releasing almost every single 1st party game like they've been under Jim's control

Sony is putting games on PC because it makes money. Not a hard concept to grasp.

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#107  Edited By VatususReturns
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@Pedro said:
@vatususreturns said:
@pclover1980 said:

F for Jimbo. FWIW, Cows might now celebrate cos the next big wig might not bring their exclusives to PC anymore.

Not really cos the PC releases still make Sony money.

Not really. Horizon, Spider-man and GoW were successes on PC. The rest... not so much

Returnal Is Sony's Second Most Unpopular PC Game at Launch | Push Square

Ratchet & Clank PC port sold even worse than The Last Of Us Part 1 | Metro News

PlayStation Exclusive Sackboy is Flopping on PC (gamerant.com)

I think if this keeps on going, Sony might start carefuly selecting which games to release on PC instead of releasing almost every single 1st party game like they've been under Jim's control

Sony is putting games on PC because it makes money. Not a hard concept to grasp.

Sony was putting most of their 1st party games on PC because they thought they would make easy money with all them after their initial success stories. As I pointed out above, later releases didnt make them as much money as they hoped, if any, so they might become more careful and selective in the future.

Not a hard concept to grasp

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#108  Edited By Zero_epyon
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@kuu2 said:

PlayStation is doing so well the head of it is getting the boot.

Yeah because when you fire someone you keep them around for six months after you tell them to leave.

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#109  Edited By Antwan3K
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@vatususreturns said:
@pclover1980 said:

F for Jimbo. FWIW, Cows might now celebrate cos the next big wig might not bring their exclusives to PC anymore.

Not really cos the PC releases still make Sony money.

Not really. Horizon, Spider-man and GoW were successes on PC. The rest... not so much

Returnal Is Sony's Second Most Unpopular PC Game at Launch | Push Square

Ratchet & Clank PC port sold even worse than The Last Of Us Part 1 | Metro News

PlayStation Exclusive Sackboy is Flopping on PC (gamerant.com)

I think if this keeps on going, Sony might start carefuly selecting which games to release on PC instead of releasing almost every single 1st party game like they've been under Jim's control

actually, Sony should start releasing their games on PC day-and-date in order to maximize the earning potential..

I've said it before, not every game is going to be a generational banger like God of War, a beloved IP like Spiderman, or a surprise hit like Horizon.. some games are just decent games.. and by releasing those "decent" games years after their launch window (way after all the marketing hype and FOMO have died down), many people have just moved on.. including PC gamers..

i personally think Day One on PC is inevitable for PlayStation.. they've been slow walking the console fandom in that direction and eventually they'll pull the trigger in order to stop leaving money on the table..

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#110  Edited By Silentchief
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Thought he sucked but it could get worse.

Bringing first party exclusive to PC and the focus on live service games are where he screwed up the most.

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#111 hardwenzen
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@kuu2 said:

PlayStation is doing so well the head of it is getting the boot.

If you want to know what FIRED means, look no further than what has happened to Bonnie Ross😆She even made a story about her wanting to spend more time with family, even tho she was booted during the biggest clusterfuck 343i has ever seen.

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@Zero_epyon said:
@kuu2 said:

PlayStation is doing so well the head of it is getting the boot.

Yeah because when you fire someone you keep them around for six months after you tell them to leave.

Happens often in senior management, only it is a forced retirement not a firing.

It is obvious in this case as he is being replaced in his role immediately, which means he has no role from Oct to next spring. This in turn means they graciously are allowing him to reach his 30 yrs anniversary with the company on paper and he is going to collect his pay check till then and pension immediately after.

It's the polite way of getting rid of a long term executive.

If it was a normal retirement they would announce it in-advance because of his executive level, but an 'interim' successor wouldn't immediately takeover the role....leaving Jim with no actual job for the next 6 months.

Moreover, milestones are in fact important as you approach retirement (I am retired) and I find it very difficult to believe his excuse of travel. Sure that is legitimate in one sense, but also 29 1/2 yrs in you give up your job and let someone else do it for 6 months while you twaddle your thumbs? I don't think so. You tough it out for 6 more months and then retire on your terms.

They said it is time to go. He wanted to make it to 30 yrs of service. This is the compromise solution.

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#113  Edited By VatususReturns
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@Antwan3K said:
@vatususreturns said:
@pclover1980 said:

F for Jimbo. FWIW, Cows might now celebrate cos the next big wig might not bring their exclusives to PC anymore.

Not really cos the PC releases still make Sony money.

Not really. Horizon, Spider-man and GoW were successes on PC. The rest... not so much

Returnal Is Sony's Second Most Unpopular PC Game at Launch | Push Square

Ratchet & Clank PC port sold even worse than The Last Of Us Part 1 | Metro News

PlayStation Exclusive Sackboy is Flopping on PC (gamerant.com)

I think if this keeps on going, Sony might start carefuly selecting which games to release on PC instead of releasing almost every single 1st party game like they've been under Jim's control

actually, Sony should start releasing their games on PC day-and-date in order to maximize the earning potential..

I've said it before, not every game is going to be a generational banger like God of War, a beloved IP like Spiderman, or a surprise hit like Horizon.. some games are just decent games.. and by releasing those "decent" games years after their launch window (way after all the marketing hype and FOMO have died down), many people have just moved on.. including PC gamers..

i personally think Day One on PC is inevitable for PlayStation.. they've been slow walking the console fandom in that direction and eventually they'll pull the trigger in order to stop leaving money on the table..

If they actually want to sell consoles that would be a terrible decision. I mean, look at Xbox. It sells the worst they've ever sold ever since they started releasing their games on PC day one. Most people just go full PC (me included) if something like that ever happens. Whats the point of buying a console if I can get the same games on PC day one without all the hassles consoles bring like paid online, paid cloud saving, "expensier" games with worst performance for the most part

If that was true, then Nintendo would go PC aswell but they know they need the exclusives to sell consoles. I mean, why would Phil take Starfield and TES VI away for PS consoles and say no to maximum profit? They know they need exclusives. Simple

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@vatususreturns said:

Sony was putting most of their 1st party games on PC because they thought they would make easy money with all them after their initial success stories. As I pointed out above, later releases didnt make them as much money as they hoped, if any, so they might become more careful and selective in the future.

Not a hard concept to grasp

"Sony is putting games on PC because it makes money. Not a hard concept to grasp."

But I was wrong. It is a hard concept for you.😂

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@Pedro said:
@vatususreturns said:

Sony was putting most of their 1st party games on PC because they thought they would make easy money with all them after their initial success stories. As I pointed out above, later releases didnt make them as much money as they hoped, if any, so they might become more careful and selective in the future.

Not a hard concept to grasp

"Sony is putting games on PC because it makes money. Not a hard concept to grasp."

But I was wrong. It is a hard concept for you.😂

And I was right, Your IQ really is in the single digits XD

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Jim will be heading up Zynga soon.

Where does Playstation gaming go from here?

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marleyduv the chatgpt prototype is back

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He looks like Palpatine when he's mid-away through getting his face electrocuted.

Phil looks like a man who could **** your wife and you'd thank him for blessing your house-hold.

It makes sense he should go away.

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Yeah, most people would never of heard of him, since when do Nintendo's head honcho's ever do interviews, tweet or make public comments? like never.

I don't think I can name more than that Reggie guy, they just seem to be quite in the background.

I can name 4. Saturo Iwata, Shuntaro Fukukawa, Reggie and Doug Bowser.

Well I'd expect nothing less from a sheep. But you never hear from them, must be a cushy job when you don't deal with the media and just sit in your office.

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#122  Edited By KathaarianCode
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Cmon, Bowser as head of Nintendo?! Every gamer should know that!

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Good. Not keep Sony games off PC.

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@ghostofgolden: the ps5 is hot garbage. I also don't understand what people even play on it. It's literally selling off hype, nothing more. The Xbox is vastly superior in all aspects as a gaming device and MS has slammed it out of the park this gen. Maybe gamers haven't realized but at some point they will.

I've owned a ps3 and a ps4 and a vita, but ps5 is hot trash. I'm not sure I'll buy a ps5 this gen, not unless spiderman 2 and wolverine pulls off a miracle.

I am skipping PlayStation this gen. Gamepass is where it's at. The few PS5 exclusives I want to play will likely be available on PS6 as well. I also skipped PS3 but played Heavy Rain, The Last of Us and more on PS4.

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#125 Pedro
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@vatususreturns said:
@Pedro said:

"Sony is putting games on PC because it makes money. Not a hard concept to grasp."

But I was wrong. It is a hard concept for you.😂

And I was right, Your IQ really is in the single digits XD

That is exactly what someone with low IQ would say.😂

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@SUD123456: he’s not being replaced immediately. There will be someone to act as interim CEO until a replacement is found and that doesn’t happen until April 2024. This was in Sony’s statement.

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#127  Edited By VatususReturns
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@Pedro said:
@vatususreturns said:
@Pedro said:

"Sony is putting games on PC because it makes money. Not a hard concept to grasp."

But I was wrong. It is a hard concept for you.😂

And I was right, Your IQ really is in the single digits XD

That is exactly what someone with low IQ would say.😂

Idem ibidem

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@SUD123456: he’s not being replaced immediately. There will be someone to act as interim CEO until a replacement is found and that doesn’t happen until April 2024. This was in Sony’s statement.

I am well aware of what was announced.

A replacement has been named that will literally be doing his job in a few days time.

The title of Interim is irrelevant and what they do later is irrelevant. Jim has no job in a few days. Ergo, he is being replaced immediately. He will sit around and twaddle his thumbs at home for 6 months until he officially retires. That should tell you everything you need to know.

Wake up. Your attempt at semantics is a distinction without a difference.

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@SUD123456 said:
@Zero_epyon said:

@SUD123456: he’s not being replaced immediately. There will be someone to act as interim CEO until a replacement is found and that doesn’t happen until April 2024. This was in Sony’s statement.

I am well aware of what was announced.

A replacement has been named that will literally be doing his job in a few days time.

The title of Interim is irrelevant and what they do later is irrelevant. Jim has no job in a few days. Ergo, he is being replaced immediately. He will sit around and twaddle his thumbs at home for 6 months until he officially retires. That should tell you everything you need to know.

Wake up. Your attempt at semantics is a distinction without a difference.

You're making things up.

https://www.truetrophies.com/n24284/playstation-ceo-jim-ryan-retiring

COO and CFO of Sony, Hiroki Totoki, will become the chairman of SIE from now until Ryan's retirement, before becoming interim CEO of SIE amongst all of his other tasks. It is important to note that the SIE division of Sony (see: the PlayStation brand) accounted for over 30% share of Sony's sales in 2022 making it by far its biggest division. That requires a specialized CEO and President role, and — while Mr. Totoki can take on that responsibility for a time alongside his responsibilities in other divisions — he will have to be helped along the way by PlayStation stalwarts.

"Mr. Totoki will work closely with Sony Group Corporation Chairman and CEO Kenichiro Yoshida and the management team of SIE to help define the next chapter of PlayStation’s future, including the succession of the SIE CEO role," the official statement concludes.

Totoki will not be the CEO until Jim Ryan leaves the company next year April. He will then be the interim CEO with the task of finding a new CEO for Playstion. He is not Ryan's replacement as he is their COO and CFO and it isn't realistic for him to alsom be CEO of SIE.

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#131  Edited By daredevils2k
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@qui-gon-milk said:
@hardwenzen said:
@jaydan said:

He couldn't handle the SW pressure anymore, I understand.

We are assholes.

For the last few state of plays, i've been reading the comments on their blog post, and shieeeeeet! Sony fans in there are not happy at all. Everyone bitchin' about the fact that half of this gen has almost went by, and we didn't get anything, nor is anything being even announced. Kinda surprised me that nobody was fanboyin', and instead, everyone in the comments section was raging at sony lol.

And yet here on SW you have diehard fans like @SolidGame_basic & @daredevils2k that wouldn't dare bitch or complain about Sony...they'll release a bag of feces exclusively for the PS5 and Solid will be like "WoWzA!" while Daredevil will create some dog water IQ thread that gets locked by Dav within a few hours 😂

lol not true. I believe that sony's streaming handheld device is a stupid idea. but besides that , Sony makes the best hamburgers.

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poor jim,took on the might of xbox and lost,i'm sure someone,somewhere is looking for a toilet cleaner?,Jim's your man,he's a shithouse 👍

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Following SONY's proven live, love and learn philosophy, we wish him well on his future endeavors.

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Well, cows really hated him because it was under his watch their beloved excloosives went to PC. So anyone saying that cows are just DC'ing doesn't have a clue.

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#135 PC_Rocks
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@Zero_epyon said:
@SUD123456 said:
@Zero_epyon said:

@SUD123456: he’s not being replaced immediately. There will be someone to act as interim CEO until a replacement is found and that doesn’t happen until April 2024. This was in Sony’s statement.

I am well aware of what was announced.

A replacement has been named that will literally be doing his job in a few days time.

The title of Interim is irrelevant and what they do later is irrelevant. Jim has no job in a few days. Ergo, he is being replaced immediately. He will sit around and twaddle his thumbs at home for 6 months until he officially retires. That should tell you everything you need to know.

Wake up. Your attempt at semantics is a distinction without a difference.

You're making things up.

https://www.truetrophies.com/n24284/playstation-ceo-jim-ryan-retiring

COO and CFO of Sony, Hiroki Totoki, will become the chairman of SIE from now until Ryan's retirement, before becoming interim CEO of SIE amongst all of his other tasks. It is important to note that the SIE division of Sony (see: the PlayStation brand) accounted for over 30% share of Sony's sales in 2022 making it by far its biggest division. That requires a specialized CEO and President role, and — while Mr. Totoki can take on that responsibility for a time alongside his responsibilities in other divisions — he will have to be helped along the way by PlayStation stalwarts.

"Mr. Totoki will work closely with Sony Group Corporation Chairman and CEO Kenichiro Yoshida and the management team of SIE to help define the next chapter of PlayStation’s future, including the succession of the SIE CEO role," the official statement concludes.

Totoki will not be the CEO until Jim Ryan leaves the company next year April. He will then be the interim CEO with the task of finding a new CEO for Playstion. He is not Ryan's replacement as he is their COO and CFO and it isn't realistic for him to alsom be CEO of SIE.

You literally just proved his point. He's being replaced immediately. Compare that to when Andrew House announced his retirement. He kept the job until he can handover the tasks:

Sony Interactive Entertainment has announced president and CEO Andrew House will be stepping down after helming the arm since 2011, with deputy president John Kodera taking his place. House, who is 52, will remain as chairman until the end of the year.

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#136 Zero_epyon
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@pc_rocks said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@SUD123456 said:
@Zero_epyon said:

@SUD123456: he’s not being replaced immediately. There will be someone to act as interim CEO until a replacement is found and that doesn’t happen until April 2024. This was in Sony’s statement.

I am well aware of what was announced.

A replacement has been named that will literally be doing his job in a few days time.

The title of Interim is irrelevant and what they do later is irrelevant. Jim has no job in a few days. Ergo, he is being replaced immediately. He will sit around and twaddle his thumbs at home for 6 months until he officially retires. That should tell you everything you need to know.

Wake up. Your attempt at semantics is a distinction without a difference.

You're making things up.

https://www.truetrophies.com/n24284/playstation-ceo-jim-ryan-retiring

COO and CFO of Sony, Hiroki Totoki, will become the chairman of SIE from now until Ryan's retirement, before becoming interim CEO of SIE amongst all of his other tasks. It is important to note that the SIE division of Sony (see: the PlayStation brand) accounted for over 30% share of Sony's sales in 2022 making it by far its biggest division. That requires a specialized CEO and President role, and — while Mr. Totoki can take on that responsibility for a time alongside his responsibilities in other divisions — he will have to be helped along the way by PlayStation stalwarts.

"Mr. Totoki will work closely with Sony Group Corporation Chairman and CEO Kenichiro Yoshida and the management team of SIE to help define the next chapter of PlayStation’s future, including the succession of the SIE CEO role," the official statement concludes.

Totoki will not be the CEO until Jim Ryan leaves the company next year April. He will then be the interim CEO with the task of finding a new CEO for Playstion. He is not Ryan's replacement as he is their COO and CFO and it isn't realistic for him to alsom be CEO of SIE.

You literally just proved his point. He's being replaced immediately. Compare that to when Andrew House announced his retirement. He kept the job until he can handover the tasks:

Sony Interactive Entertainment has announced president and CEO Andrew House will be stepping down after helming the arm since 2011, with deputy president John Kodera taking his place. House, who is 52, will remain as chairman until the end of the year.

A few points.

  • Andrew House did not announce that he'd retire.
  • Andrew House handed his tasks over to John Kodera just like after April 2024, Ryan will hand his tasks to Totoki.
  • Jim Ryan is stillCEO of Playstation.
  • He has not been replaced by an interim or permanent CEO and, again, won't be until 2024.

What you're confusing is that Totoki will be the Chairman of PlayStation but not its CEO. Looks like Playstation doesn't have a deputy CEO like House did which would explain the difference.

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@Antwan3K said:
@vatususreturns said:
@pclover1980 said:

F for Jimbo. FWIW, Cows might now celebrate cos the next big wig might not bring their exclusives to PC anymore.

Not really cos the PC releases still make Sony money.

Not really. Horizon, Spider-man and GoW were successes on PC. The rest... not so much

Returnal Is Sony's Second Most Unpopular PC Game at Launch | Push Square

Ratchet & Clank PC port sold even worse than The Last Of Us Part 1 | Metro News

PlayStation Exclusive Sackboy is Flopping on PC (gamerant.com)

I think if this keeps on going, Sony might start carefuly selecting which games to release on PC instead of releasing almost every single 1st party game like they've been under Jim's control

actually, Sony should start releasing their games on PC day-and-date in order to maximize the earning potential..

I've said it before, not every game is going to be a generational banger like God of War, a beloved IP like Spiderman, or a surprise hit like Horizon.. some games are just decent games.. and by releasing those "decent" games years after their launch window (way after all the marketing hype and FOMO have died down), many people have just moved on.. including PC gamers..

i personally think Day One on PC is inevitable for PlayStation.. they've been slow walking the console fandom in that direction and eventually they'll pull the trigger in order to stop leaving money on the table..

Yeah the games Vatususreturns listed too weren't exactly must have system sellers on the PS5 either (Sackboy and Returnal) or they were atrocious PC ports (TLOU). Not to mention PC gamers refuse to pay $60-$70 full price for games that were already out for more than a year and could be bought at cheaper base prices on Playstation 4 & 5.

Sony is gonna have to do day-and-date or at the very least release a PC version 6 months to a year later. 2+ years is too long a wait if they expect to sell millions of copies at full price or close to full price. Especially since their games lack replay-ability and good fun expansive hours of content outside of main campaigns or campaigns that are 10 hours long.

Also Sony aren't giving PC gamers everything. They're only giving late gen PS4 and current gen PS5 titles. Jim Ryan himself said that he wouldn't have them port games such as the Uncharted Trilogy collection to PC because he thinks PC gamers only want games with the latest graphics. I think its also because some of the games were designed to run on the PS3 which was a pain in the ass to get working on the PS4 alone so they don't want to bother with PC. Plus it seems clear they won't port all or even most of the PS4 games over because if they can't sell them as remasters to PS5 gamers due to compatibility patch upgrades it will also feel like wasted resources.

Sony better wise up fast because game budgets are getting bigger and their major titles such as Horizon Forbidden West and TLOU2 are barely breaking even despite selling millions of copies already on PS4 and PS5 combined. Demon's Souls Remake would easily sell millions on PC yet Sony are still sitting on their hands with that. It's about to be 3 years since that game came out for PS5! Yet they give us garbage like Sackboy much sooner.

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So, reports are coming in on how Sony is trying to go full-on live service for all of their games, and it's causing a lot of problems.

Perhaps that is why Ryan stepped down when he did - go out before the sh*t storm hits?

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@dabear said:

So, reports are coming in on how Sony is trying to go full-on live service for all of their games, and it's causing a lot of problems.

Perhaps that is why Ryan stepped down when he did - go out before the sh*t storm hits?

How? The majority of Sony 1st party are single player, how do you make a single player live service??

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@nepu7supastar7: Did... you click on the links?

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@dabear said:

@nepu7supastar7: Did... you click on the links?

Yeah and they are mostly "leaks". Even if Sony does go the route of live service: they make more than enough single player to balance it out. It's always been their bread and butter and they know it. I see this shift (or possible shift) as a way to test the waters to see what sticks. Unfortunately for them, live services have been getting a ton of heat lately so I don't see that lasting long.

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@Antwan3K: And render selling PlayStations useless? FFS, Sony isn't MS. PC gaming is MS old playground (even greasy Phil pointed that out). Sony barely, if ever had any footing on PC gaming. And ports like Last of Us show it.

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@nepu7supastar7 said:
@dabear said:

So, reports are coming in on how Sony is trying to go full-on live service for all of their games, and it's causing a lot of problems.

Perhaps that is why Ryan stepped down when he did - go out before the sh*t storm hits?

How? The majority of Sony 1st party are single player, how do you make a single player live service??

The exact quote is:

You can assume that a significant portion of our existing AAA IP will find its way into a live service game.

All that means is they are looking to make live service games using lets say the Horizon IP. It doesn't mean Horizon 3 is a live service game.

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@nepu7supastar7 said:
@dabear said:

@nepu7supastar7: Did... you click on the links?

Yeah and they are mostly "leaks". Even if Sony does go the route of live service: they make more than enough single player to balance it out. It's always been their bread and butter and they know it. I see this shift (or possible shift) as a way to test the waters to see what sticks. Unfortunately for them, live services have been getting a ton of heat lately so I don't see that lasting long.

They may be tagged as leaks, but they are having layoffs because their live service games are not coming along like they are supposed to be.

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@Nonstop-Madness said:
@nepu7supastar7 said:
@dabear said:

So, reports are coming in on how Sony is trying to go full-on live service for all of their games, and it's causing a lot of problems.

Perhaps that is why Ryan stepped down when he did - go out before the sh*t storm hits?

How? The majority of Sony 1st party are single player, how do you make a single player live service??

The exact quote is:

You can assume that a significant portion of our existing AAA IP will find its way into a live service game.

All that means is they are looking to make live service games using lets say the Horizon IP. It doesn't mean Horizon 3 is a live service game.

That's a nice interpretation, but I think a bit wishful on your part.

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@dabear said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:
@nepu7supastar7 said:
@dabear said:

So, reports are coming in on how Sony is trying to go full-on live service for all of their games, and it's causing a lot of problems.

Perhaps that is why Ryan stepped down when he did - go out before the sh*t storm hits?

How? The majority of Sony 1st party are single player, how do you make a single player live service??

The exact quote is:

You can assume that a significant portion of our existing AAA IP will find its way into a live service game.

All that means is they are looking to make live service games using lets say the Horizon IP. It doesn't mean Horizon 3 is a live service game.

That's a nice interpretation, but I think a bit wishful on your part.

You're welcome to read through the entire interview yourself.

Jim Ryan makes it incredibly clear that their single player games aren't going anywhere.

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Please join Microsoft. I won't let you lems live your lives if he does.😁

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#149  Edited By Antwan3K
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@vatususreturns said:
@Antwan3K said:
@vatususreturns said:
@pclover1980 said:

F for Jimbo. FWIW, Cows might now celebrate cos the next big wig might not bring their exclusives to PC anymore.

Not really cos the PC releases still make Sony money.

Not really. Horizon, Spider-man and GoW were successes on PC. The rest... not so much

Returnal Is Sony's Second Most Unpopular PC Game at Launch | Push Square

Ratchet & Clank PC port sold even worse than The Last Of Us Part 1 | Metro News

PlayStation Exclusive Sackboy is Flopping on PC (gamerant.com)

I think if this keeps on going, Sony might start carefuly selecting which games to release on PC instead of releasing almost every single 1st party game like they've been under Jim's control

actually, Sony should start releasing their games on PC day-and-date in order to maximize the earning potential..

I've said it before, not every game is going to be a generational banger like God of War, a beloved IP like Spiderman, or a surprise hit like Horizon.. some games are just decent games.. and by releasing those "decent" games years after their launch window (way after all the marketing hype and FOMO have died down), many people have just moved on.. including PC gamers..

i personally think Day One on PC is inevitable for PlayStation.. they've been slow walking the console fandom in that direction and eventually they'll pull the trigger in order to stop leaving money on the table..

If they actually want to sell consoles that would be a terrible decision. I mean, look at Xbox. It sells the worst they've ever sold ever since they started releasing their games on PC day one. Most people just go full PC (me included) if something like that ever happens. Whats the point of buying a console if I can get the same games on PC day one without all the hassles consoles bring like paid online, paid cloud saving, "expensier" games with worst performance for the most part

If that was true, then Nintendo would go PC aswell but they know they need the exclusives to sell consoles. I mean, why would Phil take Starfield and TES VI away for PS consoles and say no to maximum profit? They know they need exclusives. Simple

According to you, Xbox consoles are selling worse than ever before (not true btw) yet the Xbox division is currently generating more revenue than ever before (fact).. thanks for proving my point.. 👍 "selling consoles" isn't the ultimate goal; it's selling software and services to as many gamers as possible..

PC gamers already know that all PlayStation games are "timed exclusives" at this point.. PC guys are likely already bypassing the purchase of a PS5 regardless in favor of getting the superior version of those games on PC down the line .. the only question is what longevity do those PlayStation games have for the PC market after the initial launch hype.. God of War obviously can be sold years after the console release to great success.. Ratchet & Clank, not so much.. games like that would have been better received on PC on Day One during the launch hype window...

console and PC are separate markets.. and Sony is currently leaving alot of money on the table in the PC market.. i doubt they will continue that dynamic just so console fanboys can keep their warm fuzzies over timed exclusives ..

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@kvallyx said:
@Antwan3K said:
@Zero_epyon said:

Let's hope the next CEO is like Shawn Layden. GaaS games suck.

you mean this Shawn Layden?.. Former PlayStation Boss Says AAA Game Development Is Unsustainable

He was right. First party games from Sony rely on revenue from a third party game, Call of Duty.

And Xbox relies on revenue from Microsoft to keep the doors open.