Bioshock sold 2.2 million, Over 1 million were on PC...

Both endings sucked and the majority of the build up to those endings pretty much sucked. The gameplay was atrociously boring as well. I would rather they had just made System Shock 3 and appealed to the SS fans instead of simplifying it for the wider audience.foxhound_fox

Though yea most of the buildup to the endings and different endings were indeed terrible. The developers could have done so much with it. Honestly I dont see why they didnt comment on the irony of the main character, who was probably the biggest adam junkie in the entire game (second to Fontain), and more of a Splicer, than the splicers themselves. They could have done something truly unique and thought provoking, like meeting Andrew Ryan, instead it was just a conventional, predictable ending, which was only based along the lines of the piss poor moral choices (way too much focus on the little sisters).

Well, this is proof that much like Oblivion, any PC game that gets the "console treatment" (lots of flash, not much barrier pushing apparently) will also sell much better than its predecessors.

Unless they're craptastic Ubisoft ports.

I don't know what is more pathetic. Fanboys saying PC gaming is dying or fanboys constantly saying PC gaming is not dying.yellowandmushy

I don't think TC is a fanboy, go check your definition...

PC Gaming isn't exactly dying, just selling less than the console versions.Vaan7

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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]for the number of 360s and PCs, that's not that good...dgsag

It's kinda funny... I see more threads saying PC gaming "isn't Dead" than anything else coming from the hermits... WHat the hell happened to the *insert PC game here* will destroy teh console's... :? OhSnapitz

arent hermits always bragging about their huge fanbase? lulz thats not impressive at allgohan2710

Whaddya know? Three of the first 5 posts are damage control.

Even if Bioshock sold 3 million, that's still bad for the, ummmm, 100 million install base?

MGS3 sold only 3 million, and the entire PS2 install base could run it. :|

Well, this is proof that much like Oblivion, any PC game that gets the "console treatment" (lots of flash, not much barrier pushing apparently) will also sell much better than its predecessors.

Unless they're craptastic Ubisoft ports.

FrozenLiquid

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MGS3 sold only 3 million, and the entire PS2 install base could run it. :|

Riki101

But the discussion must continue. :P

Well, this is proof that much like Oblivion, any PC game that gets the "console treatment" (lots of flash, not much barrier pushing apparently) will also sell much better than its predecessors.

Unless they're craptastic Ubisoft ports.

FrozenLiquid

not really. Not only did Oblivion not sell better than Morrowind on PC, but Biosock isn't a sequel to SystemShock.

You simplyfy the old PC franchise it will sell worse in most cases and Irrational has proved it already with Tribes: Vengeance :) Lots of flash, not much barrier pushing, even a lenghty SP campaign and how did it end? :) )

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Well, this is proof that much like Oblivion, any PC game that gets the "console treatment" (lots of flash, not much barrier pushing apparently) will also sell much better than its predecessors.

Unless they're craptastic Ubisoft ports.

AdrianWerner

not really. Not only did Oblivion not sell better than Morrowind on PC, but Biosock isn't a sequel to SystemShock.

You simplyfy the old PC franchise it will sell worse in most cases and Irrational has proved it already with Tribes: Vengeance :) Lots of flash, not much barrier pushing, even a lenghty SP campaign and how did it end? :) )

Yes, Oblivion sold more than Morrowind on PC. Not only did every Morrowind fan pick it up, people who didn't like the Elder Scrolls did too.

If you did linger around the Bethesda forums months after the launch of Oblivion, you would've realized that we all didn't know how repetitive the Oblivion gates were going to become, and how bad the level scaling was going to be. Nevertheless, Elder Scrolls fans (and I shall differ them from hermits, because they're not so far up their own ass like that), still enjoy it as an Elder Scrolls game, hence the strong mod support. The only people that "hate" it for being different than Morrowind are certain people who need to prove a point.

Bioshock not being a sequel to System Shock doesn't mean anything. It's made by Irrational, the creators of System Shock, and has been billed as the spiritual successor to the latter. The only reason SS3 hasn't been made is because EA owns the rights to System Shock.

Tribes: Vengeance's moment ended the moment it decided it'll try to grab the wallets of every person who would purchase Half Life 2 (including the previously sought after Counter-Strike: Source and Day of Defeat: Source), Halo 2, and GTA: San Andreas: all of them had huge marketing campaigns. Subsequently, all dev support has been dropped.

Yes, Oblivion sold more than Morrowind on PC. Not only did every Morrowind fan pick it up, people who didn't like the Elder Scrolls did too.FrozenLiquid

The only people that "hate" it for being different than Morrowind are certain people who need to prove a point.FrozenLiquid

Bioshock not being a sequel to System Shock doesn't mean anything. FrozenLiquid

It's made by Irrational, the creators of System Shock, and has been billed as the spiritual successor to the latter. The only reason SS3 hasn't been made is because EA owns the rights to System Shock.FrozenLiquid

Tribes: Vengeance's moment ended the moment it decided it'll try to grab the wallets of every person who would purchase Half Life 2 (including the previously sought after Counter-Strike: Source and Day of Defeat: Source), Halo 2, and GTA: San Andreas: all of them had huge marketing campaigns. Subsequently, all dev support has been dropped.
FrozenLiquid

YOu're simply in denial, I'm sorry, but it's true. There are so many examples that prove the "dumbed down = lower sales" rule on PC, you on the other hand so far were able to provide one example to contrary and two really bizzare other atempts. I mean heck, even if those two would be true, they still would be in minority compared to vast seas of games that prove otherwise And yet there you are writting that "any PC game that gets the "console treatment" (lots of flash, not much barrier pushing apparently) will also sell much better than its predecessors."

"ANY GAME"

I mean come on, you're reaching almost Wok7 levels here

GTFO.

PC Gaming is already dead. nVidia are the liars!

thrones

As opossed to being a MP-only game in 1998? Or scompeting against all those FPSes in 2001? That's desperate from you. And it's jhust an excuse. Fans simply completely abaddoned Vengeance because of how dumbed down it was compared to T1 and T2 and that's it. THe sales were absymal and that's why IG dropped the support.

Come on, this is getting ridiculous, you're putting Bioshock as an example that dumbing down PCgame make it sell better on PC, when it's a game hat's not a direct sequel, it's a game with different setting than SS2, a lot bigger marketing campaign and was hyped as FPS for most of it's development time as opossed to being SS3 and that somehow proves your theory when Tribes:Vengeance, a pure sequel, with added SP campaign for mass appeal and with bigger marketing than either T1 or T2 had somehow doesn't fit in this discussion? That's hyporcisy.

YOu're simply in denial, I'm sorry, but it's true. There are so many examples that prove the "dumbed down = lower sales" rule on PC, you on the other hand so far were able to provide one example to contrary and two really bizzare other atempts. I mean heck, even if those two would be true, they still would be in minority compared to vast seas of games that prove otherwise And yet there you are writting that "any PC game that gets the "console treatment" (lots of flash, not much barrier pushing apparently) will also sell much better than its predecessors."

"ANY GAME"

I mean come on, you're reaching almost Wok7 levels here

AdrianWerner

Even though I really liked the game, and was terribly dissapointed at its failure at retail, I have to admit it just lost direction.

The Tribes community never took to it because it was simplified; although it was alot slicker and had much higher production values, it lacked the depth of the first two, and its multiplayer wasent a primary, rather a secondary. Thus it was snubbed.
Its a pity because the singleplayer was really good and the multiplayer was decent aswell, however indeed it just didnt hold a candle to Tribes 1 and 2 in the multiplayer department, which was the most crucial for such a title.

Its release time, of course was a contributing factor.... But if it had primary focus on the MP and catered to Tribes fans it would have fared much better at retail, off its own fanbase, rather than aiming for an SP experience, duking it out with the monstrosities Half Life 2, Far Cry and Doom 3.

You are also correct with Bioshock. The game had a huge hype build up, and a large marketing campaign (i was surprised to see TV advertisements even here), compared to a game like Stalker which got a a very small marketing campaign in comparison and wasn't 'simplfied' for a wide audience, it sold more(or so ive read).