Are new Star Wars games doomed to all be shit?

My friends: many movie to games are very poor. However, during the golden age of happiness and joy, Lucasarts produced very good Starwars games that many people still play and love today.

Since EA seems to be handling Starwars titles, primarily aimed at consoles, can we assume all future games will shit? Would this be a safe assumption? How safe of an assumption is it on a scale of 1 to 10? 10 being the highest? 1 Being the lowest? 5 being about the middle? 2 being slightly above 1?

My friend, if you truly loved Star Wars games, you could never assume that they will be shit!

What's next, are you gonna assume Shogun 3 will be shit? Do you wanna think about that?

I'm still pissed they canned 1313.

Also uninspiredcup, maybe we should wait until the new Battlefront is release before we talk.

I'm with @clyde46 on this one. One of the most interesting Star Wars games in years.

Meh, they really showed very little of the game. For all we know it could've been crap.

And the studio handling it also did TFU 1&2 which were not so good.

Are all of your posts doomed to be awful?

All that was shown was a massive scripted sequence with practically no gameplay.

Jedi Knight was interesting, thats 100 years old and still more interesting than any movie game.

Nobody canned it, it was still part of LocusArts and when Disney bought out Star Wars rights, they had to shutdown LocusArts and remember that LA went downhill after the release Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. I enjoy that game by the way, never played the second though.

I have high hopes for battlefront.

Many of the supposedly good Star Wars games were aimed at consoles.

• Battlefront is definitely for consoles (yet people still love it)
• Knights of the Old Republic is the most striking example of consolized cRPG still to this date (yet people think it's the best fucking thing for WRPG)
• Rogue Squadron is mostly a console exclusive (yet people still want the sequel)
• Republic Commando was definitely streamlined to be played on XBOX (yet people still enjoyed it greatly)

Sure, back in the days of Dark Forces and X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter it was mostly a PC franchise, but once consoles became a huge thing, it jumped the ship. Only memorable Star Wars games aimed at PC after the advent of gen 6 consoles were Empire at War (which only had an expansion and no sequel) and Jedi Knights series (which died after Academy in 2003).

If anything, DICE handling Battlefront may mean the series can, for the first time, shift significant focus on PC version. Because Pandemic certainly didn't.

If you're gonna play TFU II, go for the Wii version rather than the HD version (Believe it or not, unlike TFU1, TFU2 has better reception on the weaker tech console than the HD consoles last gen).

The concept was interesting. Far more interesting than any recent Star Wars games. TFU was decent, but TFUII crapped the bucket.

Ain't no touching the Jedi Knight or KotOR series though.

Why? It was an Uncharted clone in space. The concept was excellent, but their execution was anything but.

As for the thread topic, it's EA, they did the dick move and bought exclusive rights to the license so that nobody else could use it and much like the Harry Potter games, we will never see anything spectacular come out for them until the license has expired, or if DICE actually comes through for once.

My hopes are lying all with the movies at this point.

Sadly: none of these games are excellent.

Console users had never played an RPG before thus; KOTOR became the most overrated game humanity has ever known.

Childrens Baldurs Gate, waste of time.

yea they had something interesting there and they just threw it all away.

Rogue Squadron (a trilogy that surpasses EVERY Star Fox game, including 64/Lylat Wars, to the point that even the original RS holds up more than the original Star Fox?) and Battlefront weren't excellent?

@uninspiredcup: I said "supposedly"

Probably, because the best Star Wars games were PC centric. Nothing EA makes will top legendary games like the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight and X-Wing/Tie Fighter series.

Thanks for telling me this but sadly, I took my Wii down after I got my Wii U last year in May. But however, I haven't got any plains to play TFU2 anytime soon. If I see a used Wii copy, I'll buy it and later hook my Wii up for that.

Hit or miss.

Well Battlefront is being done by Dice and the seem to have the Battlefield concept down pretty well. Then you have Bioware that could do a KOTOR 3 which would have a lot of people excited. The franchise is not necessarily in the wrong hands it just depends on what EA does with it.

Consoles have nothing to do with the last few Star Wars games sucking. You're just a bad troll.

Are you implying that past Star Wars games weren't focused on consoles?

Most Star Wars games ever made appear on consoles.

Yes, well the ones made by DICE anyways. I have some hope for the Visceral game.

@Wasdie: Not to mention some of the best ones were on consoles too. I know you're not the biggest Nintendo fan, but the Rogue Squadron games, most especially Rogue Leader on the GameCube were damn good games (still are, even of Rebel Strike was the weakest of the three, it still didn't stop it from being good).

I don't know how you came to this assumption as many Star Wars games actually turned out to be good.

What's happened as of late is that the last Star Wars games didn't see a release due to publishers/developers. Battlefronts didn't see a release as it was supposed to early last gen because Free Radical used the money LucasArts had given them to finish Haze, which bombed due to the complex, costly, time and resource consuming PS3 development, and they spent all their money and couldn't finish the game for LucasArts, and by that point LucasArts was fed up with the delay, lack of progress, and wasn't forking over more money. Out of all this shit calls LucasArts has made over the years on the gaming end, cancelling Free Radical's Battlefronts game was probably the smartest move they made. I would rather no game got release than a piece of shit game. The 1313 game died because of Disney, Disney acquired LucasArts and when that happened they basically cleaned house of everyone, including those working on the 1313 game. Same thing with Star Wars: First Assault, that FPS game that looked pretty decent, Disney canned that project too. Disney was already on my shit list for closing Black Rock Studios over Split/Second, which I thought was a pretty awesome game despite it being a commercial failure. As a publisher Disney should have seen that they at least had a talented studio that made good games and the failure to sell the game was on the publisher side. At the very least they should have offered the chance to sell off the studio and the IPs to an interested publisher. But I digress...

I think the Star Wars license as it pertains to games is more poised under EA than it has ever been under LucasArts or Disney. There's no better match than to have DICE do Battlefronts, so much so I think they should just name it Battlefield: Star Wars Battlefronts. The games are very similar aside from one being an FPS and the other a TPS. It's territory domination and team resource depletion style game, mix of soldiers and vehicles. It's been almost 10 years since the last game so there's lots they can do with this series. As for Visceral, they took on that former Naughty Dog creative director and they're probably going to make a Star Wars adventure game next, my guess is something like the 1313 game that was cancelled. There's probably more to come, EA having rights to the Star Wars license means we can expect an avalanche of titles to capitalize on the pending Star Wars fervor likely to come with the theatrical release of Star Wars Episode VII later this year.

Why should EA be cursed for having the license? EA makes many great games despite how gamers feign hatred for them.

The Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series are by far the best Star Wars games ever made and I would really love another game in that series if it was made by the original team and not turned into a cinematic QTE fest.

Thanks to consoles we will never see anything that isn't flashy shallow crap =/

OP is for sure top 5 garbage posters of SW, and that's really saying something.

Agree very much my friends. The days when level design had intricate craftsmanship such as Jedi Knight demanding the player to be engaged are long gone. Sadly.

It's easy to blame consoles; it's console fault.

The console people under the impression pc gaming isn't more in depth, intricate and demanding probably haven't even played masterpiece level design such as Jedi Knight.

KOTOR, a very, very, very (lots) watered down Baldurs Gate with a limp plot twist seemed to have them doing cartwheels.

Heck, when KOTOR 2 came along, with an actual, real, IRL, good story, that made an effort to be more thoughtful than simply "you are the bad guy", they didn't like it, the first one was better. Easier to comprehend, I suppose.

Keven Sorbo Hercules adventures, a god, but being justifiably forced to live on the level of humans. Very much pc.

Well, considering the BS they've pulled as seen with SimCity and Sims 4, hell Battlefield IV too for how buggy that game was. Why shouldn't people "curse" them?

Should Mirko not blast Nintendo for like 99% of the things they (granted under Iwata's rule) have been doing and NOT boycott their newer products?

There was a time (before 2013) where I would have withstood most of the crap EA has done as they had/still have devs (both owned and partners) that made/make games I like, such as Dragon Age Origins (want to play Inquisition, but...), various James Bond games (TWINE 64, Nightfire consoles, Everything or Nothing, From Russia with Love), Sims series (pre-3 and 4 on PC), SimCity, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Rock Band, Mass Effect, etc. But since 2013, they've all but lost my support on their products that have released since that year (and that was a year after most of my rage was at Capcom for how bad they handled Street Fighter X Tekken, rather than everyone else at EA/Bioware for the god awful ME3 ending).

I lost any hope for Star Wars games after EA got their hands on it and the day EA gets another franchise (I fear they're going to get Dragon Ball next) I love, I'll do the same

no, i have alot of faith in the one Amy Henning is doing

.. Yeah I would like to stop you there and point out that KOTOR2 came out as a buggy unfinished mess with one of the worse endings I have ever seen to a game that might had something to do with it..

The ending might have been too sophisticated to understand. KOTOR magical happy wrap up story, it requires alot less. You kinda just nod your head.

.. There was no ending.. All it had was literally a 15 second clip of either you flying away or staying in the temple depending on your alignment choices.. Before that consisted of a brief dialogue choice.. The last portion of the game was so fucking incomplete I can't believe people are trying to defend that shit.. The game literally took a massive nose once you crashed on the plantetoid. Though things may be different with the restoration mod, but I haven't bothered with said patch.

It's not canned entirely, it's on an indefinite hold, they did let the copyright slip but they also did state that it may pick up development again if they find a fitting studio and reason to do it.

You just don't get it, that's the problem.

It's too sophisticated, it's probably the developers fault for expecting too much of the user-base.

Perhaps they should have just had a happy people ending with balloons and happiness or a bad people ending with evil man.

Star wars is overhyped and boring. Everything star wars is shit.

Hard to say since nothing much has been seen of Battlefront yet.

I hope there will be a new Jedi Knight game, and it isn't screwed somehow.

Where did I say that KOTOR1's ending was good? But at least it had closure and explained the outcome of the characters more or less.. KOTOR2 did not what so ever.. It was obvious they rushed the shit out of that entire area.. It was slap dashed together along with a "thats it" ending of you staying in the temple or the even worse of you simply flying away..

You just don't get it, I get it.

All I can say is that I'm not too enthusiastic about EA having the only rights to make Star Wars games.

It's the same deal with the NFL...and that turned to shit....so one can only go by history.

Not sure why people are dismayed one way or the other.. The rare time a Starwars licensed game was released in the past 10 years were all mainly mediocre to bad.. I don't think EA could do a any worse job at this time with the license than LucasArts has before it.. I mean Lucas himself basically killed his own franchise in this regard with the new movies.. It says alot after the new movies that the most successful Starwars game franchise is the one that goes back thousands of years before the moives just to get away from them.

I'm going to be making fajita's soon, so you should know (as I wont respond for at least 30 minutes) that I am very much right, in the thing that I am saying, (which is right).

EA will ruin starwars, again. Even though TORTANIC should have destroyed their hopes and dreams.

@sSubZerOo: It's like I said...EA is the only one that can make Star Wars games.

They have that same kind of deal with the NFL....and those games have been shit for a long time. It's not that they can do any worse....it's that their history shows that it probably won't get any better.

Here's raising a glass in hopes that I'm wrong and the Star Wars license is treated with respect by EA.

SWTOR since going F2p has rebounded with a report last august saying that it was the fourth largest subscriber base for MMO's.. It may not have reached the dumbass unrealistic expectations people were making, but it has proven to be growing..

Backing Clyde on this one. That game looked boss. Like the Bounty Hunter we always deserved.

I just want another Jedi Knight game, because Kyle Katarn.