Applying the logic that the PS3 won 2009 to the entire gen. (PS3 didn't win)

You say something SW doesn't like and you back up your argument and what do you get: people saying you're wrong without telling you why. People completely just breaking down, freezing up, and resorting to petty insults.

This thread is about exclusives. I've told you all why the PC beats the PS3. No one has has told me anything other than you're wrong. Or they used their opinion.

Silverbond

I explained my stance to you... you elected not to repond. You are using your opinion on how everyone should determine a forum title that's based on nothing more than consensus opinion. Why would your oppinion be worthy in this thread, and all other other opinions meaningless?

This thread isn't about exclusives, it's about the PS3 not winning 2009. And you can attempt to use whatever data you want, and eliminate any data you want. Nothing will change the reality that you are promoting an opinion, and your opinion is in the minority.

This whole arguement has been about ps3 and pc's 2009 year. asyrian758

Then you obviously didn't read the OP or topic title.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The PS3 isn't winning this gen however.

Silverbond

Why not? I don't understand this. Both the gen and 2009 look very similar as I explained in my OP.

No they don't. The 360 is doing better than the PS3 overall.

No, PS3 did have a stronger showing that the competition overall.

AAAE > AAE.

AE is just a passing grade. It's nothing to brag about and it's nothing to compare consoles over. Any lower than an AE and something is seriously wrong with the game.

Can someone please cearly define what winning is and what the levels and stages of winning are...

System Wars is like WoW...

So much information... So much progress... So many wins... So many losses... But unfortunately no clear end in sight... EVER!!!

Sometime i'm sure we all feel like sisyphus eh ;) Who created this eternal loop of frustration????

Can someone please cearly define what winning is and what the levels and stages of winning are...

System Wars is like WoW...

So much information... So much progress... So many wins... So many losses... But unfortunately no clear end in sight... EVER!!!

Sometime i'm sure we all feel like sisyphus eh ;) Who created this eternal loop of frustration????

pattyp77

Can someone please cearly define what winning is and what the levels and stages of winning are...

System Wars is like WoW...

So much information... So much progress... So many wins... So many losses... But unfortunately no clear end in sight... EVER!!!

Sometime i'm sure we all feel like sisyphus eh ;) Who created this eternal loop of frustration????

pattyp77

That's kind of the point some of us are trying to make to the TC... again. There is no "Clear Definition" of winning a year (or a gen for that matter) at all. Never has been. TC is putting out their own selective criteria and claiming it as fact. But the reality is such titles are nothing more than loosely agreed upon feelings based on the general consensus of the board. They hold no weight. They simply reflect they overall opinion of each system's staus in a given timeframe.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

No, PS3 did have a stronger showing that the competition overall.

AAAE > AAE.

AE is just a passing grade. It's nothing to brag about and it's nothing to compare consoles over. Any lower than an AE and something is seriously wrong with the game.

cainetao11

I created a thread on this very subject.

My personal tastes and SW are separate. I do have games that score AE and below.

The thing is, review scores are not perfect. But they are also not wholey unreliable. Generally review scores DO give us a good picture of how good a game is. And while less than perfect games are worth owning, they're not worth bragging over. The review system may be imperfect but it's the best system we have and it does give us a good idea of how consoles are lining up against each other. It's not like the PS3 has less high scoring games than the 360 because reviewers are on a whole out to get the PS3. It's because it has less great games. If we don't use review scores, they we might as well not argue about what is the best console at all. Otherwise this is just a "I like _ console the most" forum.

Furthermore, the only time reviews are brought into question is when the wii's library is compared to other consoles. But as soon as the Wii gets a high rating title, sheep will be the first to tell you.

hakanakumono, you said it best yourself. "we might as well not argue about what is the best console at all" It really is pointless, as "best" is subjective. The Wii could have more high rated games than anything in history, if I love playing Uncharted, Mass Effect, Halo than it will never be the best to me. This place is fun and at times educational, but it isn't serious, scores mean very little to me as I prefer the actual review. All in all well said post, bro. Play on....cainetao11

Awesome and yes.

Still fun to inflict your own opinion onto others... Long as its in good taste eh ;)

The last few hours has been very stimulating.

hakanakumono, you said it best yourself. "we might as well not argue about what is the best console at all" It really is pointless, as "best" is subjective. The Wii could have more high rated games than anything in history, if I love playing Uncharted, Mass Effect, Halo than it will never be the best to me. This place is fun and at times educational, but it isn't serious, scores mean very little to me as I prefer the actual review. All in all well said post, bro. Play on....cainetao11

Uh, then you'd be unable to discern between your personal interests and actual quality.

Personally, I'm interested in the PS3's library the most. But I'm able to discern between my personal tastes and the fact that the 360 has a stronger library. I may not be interested in WRPGs, but they certainly exist.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]hakanakumono, you said it best yourself. "we might as well not argue about what is the best console at all" It really is pointless, as "best" is subjective. The Wii could have more high rated games than anything in history, if I love playing Uncharted, Mass Effect, Halo than it will never be the best to me. This place is fun and at times educational, but it isn't serious, scores mean very little to me as I prefer the actual review. All in all well said post, bro. Play on....hakanakumono

Uh, then you'd be unable to discern between your personal interests and actual quality.

Personally, I'm interested in the PS3's library the most. But I'm able to discern between my personal tastes and the fact that the 360 has a stronger library. I may not be interested in WRPGs, but they certainly exist.

I don't understand how the PC can compete with any generation of games, because it really doesn't run on the same generations as consoles. PCs have pretty much been on one long-running generation now, games evolving technologically but the system itself only changing at the whim of the person that owns the PC. If we're going to classify PCs with the consoles in terms of gens, we need to determine which set of hardware starts each PC gen. Without some sort of definition of which hardware defines the PC gens, we can go back to the old 286 games and use them as exclusives in this gen's competition. That just wouldn't be fair.jalexbrown

it's from when the 360 launched.

[QUOTE="ksko"]

yes the ps3 won:)

Why? Facts? Proof? No?

Then go find some. If you're right then I'll admit.

it's from when the 360 launched.

CaseyWegner

hakanakumono, you said it best yourself. "we might as well not argue about what is the best console at all" It really is pointless, as "best" is subjective. The Wii could have more high rated games than anything in history, if I love playing Uncharted, Mass Effect, Halo than it will never be the best to me. This place is fun and at times educational, but it isn't serious, scores mean very little to me as I prefer the actual review. All in all well said post, bro. Play on....cainetao11

This. When I look at the PC's library, all I see is games I don't want to play (aside from MAYBE 2). When someone says that the PC won '09, I cannot take it seriously simply because those games do not appeal to me. The games on the PS3 suit me perfectly, which is why I bought that console.

In my head, '10 is already won by the PS3 simply because God of War 3 and GT5 are being released. I've been waiting forever to play those. they alone make the year. The winner of the year is much more relative than it is factual

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Why? Facts? Proof? No?

Then go find some. If you're right then I'll admit.

clone01

I'm not kidding. What are some good ones? Only one I see for '09 is ARMA 2

Silverbond, why do you dismiss other peoples opinion, and pass yours as facts? You do realize that your spreadsheet ALSO is not a fact, right...

It depends how a gamers weigh their games. AAAE has always been the biggest factor in SW (AAAAE or whatever)... and yes, I have been in this forum longer than you AND Casey.

Think about why you dont want to classify MLB 09 as an exclusive... you know what kind of meaning that has here in SW. Oh well, one day you will realize your stance in that argument is a cop-out.

You seem to do this a lot... passing your own opinions as facts I mean

If you think the PS3 is won 2009 then you must think the PS3 won the gen.

Silverbond

Can't argue with that logic. :roll: