3DS is a Beast

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]The difference is it took sony almost 2 years and the launch of the slim model to get their sh*t together.

With nintendo all it took was the lackluster launch numbers for them to get the ball rolling with the price drop and quality exclusives.

GreySeal9

I notice you didn't actually respond to the point he made.

PS3 was over priced. the 3DS as over priced. Ps3 followed in the footsteps of the best console ever. The 3DS follows in the footsteps of the best handheld ever. Both needed price drops. Both had very poor launch lineups. The 3DS did get back on its feet quicker, but that's because as grey said they went from a large profit per system to a smaller profit per system. Sony was selling at a loss already and couldn't affor to sell anylower until they redesigined the system to make it cheeper. The 3DS isn't failing now, and topping the best handheld ever with their very next handheld is an unrealistic expectation, but the 3DS is NOT beast nor is its library. Yes it already has a decent number of good games. But nintendo isn't into yearly releases. IP's like mario kart that get a release on a nintendo handeld are unlikely to get another game until the next handheld. That a missed opportunity. MK DS was exceptional. MK 7 is good. NSWB DS was terrific NSMB 3DS is medicore. There are a couple of IPs such as KI that didn'tsee a release on the DS so they are a good thing to see, (even if I personally don't care for the game). But everything The 3DS gets a game like MK that it won't get another of and it doesn't measure up, its a dissapointment and a missed opportunity

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]It's been out for less than two years :|Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] you are so biased and unobjective its hilarious :lol:

Jonwh18

I notice you didn't actually respond to the point he made.

PS3 was over priced. the 3DS as over priced. Ps3 followed in the footsteps of the best console ever. The 3DS follows in the footsteps of the best handheld ever. Both needed price drops. Both had very poor launch lineups. The 3DS did get back on its feet quicker, but that's because as grey said they went from a large profit per system to a smaller profit per system. Sony was selling at a loss already and couldn't affor to sell anylower until they redesigined the system to make it cheeper. The 3DS isn't failing now, and topping the best handheld ever with their very next handheld is an unrealistic expectation, but the 3DS is NOT beast nor is its library. Yes it already has a decent number of good games. But nintendo isn't into yearly releases. IP's like mario kart that get a release on a nintendo handeld are unlikely to get another game until the next handheld. That a missed opportunity. MK DS was exceptional. MK 7 is good. NSWB DS was terrific NSMB 3DS is medicore. There are a couple of IPs such as KI that didn'tsee a release on the DS so they are a good thing to see, (even if I personally don't care for the game). But everything The 3DS gets a game like MK that it won't get another of and it doesn't measure up, its a dissapointment and a missed opportunity

Nothing you've said actually contradicts what he said tho.

And yes, I agree that 3DS is not amazing right now, but I'm pretty sure that DS wasn't amazing at this point either.

That's not to say that it will be another DS (probably won't), but what the 3DS offers right now is enough to warrant a purchase. As sexy as the Vita is, I don't think you can say the same thing about it at the moment.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"] And? When someone use words like beastly to troll and exaggerate, you'd have to expect to get people who put things in perspective.You know just like how 3DS owners were putting things in perspective last year when people were using hyperbole to bash the 3DS which strangely alot of members here (Not naming any names.) do the same to the Vita which is only 10 months old.p4s2p0

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] you are so biased and unobjective its hilarious :lol:Jonwh18

the 3DS is absolutely filled with games that miss the mark of greatness. That would be fine if it had even a few truly great games to punctuate things. But it doesn't, and so things are not fine with the 3DS. GunSmith1_basic

But Zelda and Bravely Default could be two of the best games of all time. the questions is when and if it will get them in US

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I notice you didn't actually respond to the point he made.

Shinobishyguy

PS3 was over priced. the 3DS as over priced. Ps3 followed in the footsteps of the best console ever. The 3DS follows in the footsteps of the best handheld ever. Both needed price drops. Both had very poor launch lineups. The 3DS did get back on its feet quicker, but that's because as grey said they went from a large profit per system to a smaller profit per system. Sony was selling at a loss already and couldn't affor to sell anylower until they redesigined the system to make it cheeper. The 3DS isn't failing now, and topping the best handheld ever with their very next handheld is an unrealistic expectation, but the 3DS is NOT beast nor is its library. Yes it already has a decent number of good games. But nintendo isn't into yearly releases. IP's like mario kart that get a release on a nintendo handeld are unlikely to get another game until the next handheld. That a missed opportunity. MK DS was exceptional. MK 7 is good. NSWB DS was terrific NSMB 3DS is medicore. There are a couple of IPs such as KI that didn'tsee a release on the DS so they are a good thing to see, (even if I personally don't care for the game). But everything The 3DS gets a game like MK that it won't get another of and it doesn't measure up, its a dissapointment and a missed opportunity

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 3DS is absolutely filled with games that miss the mark of greatness. That would be fine if it had even a few truly great games to punctuate things. But it doesn't, and so things are not fine with the 3DS. loosingENDS

But Zelda and Bravely Default could be two of the best games of all time. the questions is when and if it will get them in US

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 3DS is absolutely filled with games that miss the mark of greatness. That would be fine if it had even a few truly great games to punctuate things. But it doesn't, and so things are not fine with the 3DS. loosingENDS

But Zelda and Bravely Default could be two of the best games of all time. the questions is when and if it will get them in US

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] because he didn't make a valid point?

PS3 was over priced. the 3DS as over priced. Ps3 followed in the footsteps of the best console ever. The 3DS follows in the footsteps of the best handheld ever. Both needed price drops. Both had very poor launch lineups. The 3DS did get back on its feet quicker, but that's because as grey said they went from a large profit per system to a smaller profit per system. Sony was selling at a loss already and couldn't affor to sell anylower until they redesigined the system to make it cheeper. The 3DS isn't failing now, and topping the best handheld ever with their very next handheld is an unrealistic expectation, but the 3DS is NOT beast nor is its library. Yes it already has a decent number of good games. But nintendo isn't into yearly releases. IP's like mario kart that get a release on a nintendo handeld are unlikely to get another game until the next handheld. That a missed opportunity. MK DS was exceptional. MK 7 is good. NSWB DS was terrific NSMB 3DS is medicore. There are a couple of IPs such as KI that didn'tsee a release on the DS so they are a good thing to see, (even if I personally don't care for the game). But everything The 3DS gets a game like MK that it won't get another of and it doesn't measure up, its a dissapointment and a missed opportunity

Jonwh18

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] later half of that paragraph is so opinionated that it's not even argument worthy :|Shinobishyguy

and I already adressed KI in my post.

still doesn't take away from the fact that mk7 is generally considerd great. Same applies to kid icarus.Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] you mean the part where I ciritze MK7 and NSMB for 3DS? no it sn't look at the scores, they completely support what I said. inb4youcan'tplayscores. This is SW, don't like it? GTFO

Jonwh18

and I already adressed KI in my post.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the 3DS is absolutely filled with games that miss the mark of greatness. That would be fine if it had even a few truly great games to punctuate things. But it doesn't, and so things are not fine with the 3DS. Jonwh18

But Zelda and Bravely Default could be two of the best games of all time. the questions is when and if it will get them in US

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]still doesn't take away from the fact that mk7 is generally considerd great. Same applies to kid icarus.GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] still doesn't take away from the fact that mk7 is generally considerd great. Same applies to kid icarus.Shinobishyguy

and I already adressed KI in my post.

the problem with mariokart 7 is the same problem with NSMB2. Notice the fact that they go with a numerical sequel name? That's so they can attach themselves to a built up brand. That thinking goes to the very core of those games. Both games are fun, but they are not new fun. Mariokartwii was at least an evolution. It was new. Mariokart 7 is just mariokart wii and mariokart DS but with various adjustments and some different racers and items. NSMB2 is not new either. Again, new abilities and items abound but these are shallow improvements. A lot of people are fine with this. I'm fine with this. These games are "the 3DS's mariokart", or "the 3DS's NSMB". They are perfect filler for a game library but not exciting enough to be a true killer ap. GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]still doesn't take away from the fact that mk7 is generally considerd great. Same applies to kid icarus.Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the problem with mariokart 7 is the same problem with NSMB2. Notice the fact that they go with a numerical sequel name? That's so they can attach themselves to a built up brand. That thinking goes to the very core of those games. Both games are fun, but they are not new fun. Mariokartwii was at least an evolution. It was new. Mariokart 7 is just mariokart wii and mariokart DS but with various adjustments and some different racers and items. NSMB2 is not new either. Again, new abilities and items abound but these are shallow improvements. A lot of people are fine with this. I'm fine with this. These games are "the 3DS's mariokart", or "the 3DS's NSMB". They are perfect filler for a game library but not exciting enough to be a true killer ap. Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] neither are killer aps.GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the problem with mariokart 7 is the same problem with NSMB2. Notice the fact that they go with a numerical sequel name? That's so they can attach themselves to a built up brand. That thinking goes to the very core of those games. Both games are fun, but they are not new fun. Mariokartwii was at least an evolution. It was new. Mariokart 7 is just mariokart wii and mariokart DS but with various adjustments and some different racers and items. NSMB2 is not new either. Again, new abilities and items abound but these are shallow improvements. A lot of people are fine with this. I'm fine with this. These games are "the 3DS's mariokart", or "the 3DS's NSMB". They are perfect filler for a game library but not exciting enough to be a true killer ap. Blabadon

Games I'm excited for next year:

Animal Crossing is the game I'm most looking forward too. They're fixing things from the Wii version and adding some really cool new features. It looks to be the best Animal Crossing game to date. I think it could be the best 3DS game at the moment.

My girlfriend is freaking out over Fire Emblem Awakening, and it actually looks like an awesome entry in the series.

I hope Bravery Default comes state side, but it's up in the air right now.

Luigi's Darkmoon I'm a little iffy on. I'm thinking it's being hyped a little too much, but it looks pretty nice.

Also I'm thinking about Monster Hunter 3D, but I might just wait till 4 releases.

[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] what was evolutionary about MKwii? waggle? bikes? Yeah those are huge gamechangers right thereShinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] what was evolutionary about MKwii? waggle? bikes? Yeah those are huge gamechangers right thereShinobishyguy

what was evolutionary about MKwii? waggle? bikes? Yeah those are huge gamechangers right there

Shinobishyguy

1- you don't know what waggle means. Using the wiimote as a steering wheel is not waggle. Waggle means when you just shake the wiimote with no precision, like an annoying version of a button. For a party game like MKwii, the steering wheel was very fun.

2- it cemented the multiplayer presence. The online on MKwii was great. Now it's standard and expected. They also fixed the mess that was Double Dash, which was a boring multiplayer experience for anyone who actually used the double-racer mechanic.

Otherwise, the game was a rehash, but at least it offered carefully crafted experience. The big difference is that NSMB2 and MK7 did not fix what was broken or expand the experience to new areas. They just continued what was already successful and added some novelty and features. Fun games but not exciting games.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]what was evolutionary about MKwii? waggle? bikes? Yeah those are huge gamechangers right thereGunSmith1_basic

Games I'm excited for next year:

Animal Crossing is the game I'm most looking forward too. They're fixing things from the Wii version and adding some really cool new features. It looks to be the best Animal Crossing game to date. I think it could be the best 3DS game at the moment.

My girlfriend is freaking out over Fire Emblem Awakening, and it actually looks like an awesome entry in the series.

I hope Bravery Default comes state side, but it's up in the air right now.

Luigi's Darkmoon I'm a little iffy on. I'm thinking it's being hyped a little too much, but it looks pretty nice.

Also I'm thinking about Monster Hunter 3D, but I might just wait till 4 releases.

Minishdriveby

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] apparently you don't know the definition of a killer app :|
the game as to
a. have quality to it
b. move systems
Mk7 fits both of these descriptions, same with 3D land.

hell even kid icarus did great numbers for being such an obscure IP

Shinobishyguy

Uh, i'd say fixing up the clusterf*ck item balancing is a huge fix. :|

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] I doubt they were as significant in moving systems as you say. The 3DS has been selling fairly steadily, with the main spikes being market related as per the price cut and the holiday seasons. A true killer ap would hit the system like an A-bomb. The userbase is absolutely starved for something to be excited about, and not just the latest decent game that will eat up time.

GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] I doubt they were as significant in moving systems as you say. The 3DS has been selling fairly steadily, with the main spikes being market related as per the price cut and the holiday seasons. A true killer ap would hit the system like an A-bomb. The userbase is absolutely starved for something to be excited about, and not just the latest decent game that will eat up time.GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] Oh it did move systems. Both games completely turned the 3DS's luck around. A pricecut alone means nothing without gamesJonwh18

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Uh, i'd say fixing up the clusterf*ck item balancing is a huge fix. :|GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] sorry but I just don't believe you at all that it sold systems like you say. I don't mean hundreds of thousands of units. I mean millions. And the price cut was the reason for the massive sales spike. The reason is that when things cost less, then more people will buy it. A system doesn't need killer aps in order to get decent sales either. The 3DS has gotten by since it has a lot of good games. If it wants to approach a userbase of 100 million it will have to do a lot better however.Blabadon

[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] Basically DS was Beast. 3DS is between the DS and PSP level right now definately not beasting though.

Jonwh18

Basically DS was Beast. 3DS is between the DS and PSP level right now definately not beasting though.

Jonwh18

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

Basically DS was Beast. 3DS is between the DS and PSP level right now definately not beasting though.

GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"] Whoa there. The PSP is waaaaay above the 3DS. It's not even close.Blabadon

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

Games I'm excited for next year:

Animal Crossing is the game I'm most looking forward too. They're fixing things from the Wii version and adding some really cool new features. It looks to be the best Animal Crossing game to date. I think it could be the best 3DS game at the moment.

My girlfriend is freaking out over Fire Emblem Awakening, and it actually looks like an awesome entry in the series.

I hope Bravery Default comes state side, but it's up in the air right now.

Luigi's Darkmoon I'm a little iffy on. I'm thinking it's being hyped a little too much, but it looks pretty nice.

Also I'm thinking about Monster Hunter 3D, but I might just wait till 4 releases.

Jonwh18

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

Games I'm excited for next year:

Animal Crossing is the game I'm most looking forward too. They're fixing things from the Wii version and adding some really cool new features. It looks to be the best Animal Crossing game to date. I think it could be the best 3DS game at the moment.

My girlfriend is freaking out over Fire Emblem Awakening, and it actually looks like an awesome entry in the series.

I hope Bravery Default comes state side, but it's up in the air right now.

Luigi's Darkmoon I'm a little iffy on. I'm thinking it's being hyped a little too much, but it looks pretty nice.

Also I'm thinking about Monster Hunter 3D, but I might just wait till 4 releases.

Minishdriveby

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="Blabadon"]

I don't think I have ever found two more disappointing games that I spent full price on for the same system in my life.

themajormayor

ok sheep i have a question for you. I'm thinking of picking up a 3ds or 3ds XL. The XL looks pretty sweet and seems to be an improvement over the normal in every way. But i can get discount on the original, so it comes to $120. So the XL is definitely better but, I don't know if it is $70 better.ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]ok sheep i have a question for you. I'm thinking of picking up a 3ds or 3ds XL. The XL looks pretty sweet and seems to be an improvement over the normal in every way. But i can get discount on the original, so it comes to $120. So the XL is definitely better but, I don't know if it is $70 better.Jonwh18