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#201 Chutebox
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Get the story right.

should be limited to whether he can prove the players intended to injure opponents, which would fall in the category of conduct detrimental to the game. Players and coaches implicated in the bounty pool have testified under oath in a related federal court case they never intended to injure opposing players".


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This is what Goodell has to prove now. If he can't he loses it all and the players and coaches will only be penalized for the money portion of this stupid mess.

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#202 monkeytoes61
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[QUOTE="Put_in_Kitna"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]Chris Berman signed a contract extension, when will this guy go away, he's so godamn obnoxious.-Halftime-

Agreed. I hate that dude. Figured you egal fans might like him because he picks the Eagles to make the superbowl every year.

Nah, even if he picks my team, I can't get over how annoying his voice and all the sounds he makes are.NFL Network is where it's at for NFL coverage, they have way better anchors than ESPN.

Really? I like Schlereth, Wiley, Wingo, Herm, all those guys. Not a huge fan of NFL Network's guys. I dislike Prime and Irvin, and I think Warner and Faulk lack charisma.

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[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]I want to see how the Browns fans react to Art Modell's death. No_Hablo_Ingles
By crying when their team loses by 40.

Nah, 21.
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#204 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]I want to see how the Browns fans react to Art Modell's death. TheWalkingGhost
By crying when their team loses by 40.

Nah, 21.

split the difference at 30.
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#205 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Eagles have the most cap room in the NFL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/eagles-lead-the-way-in-regular-season-cap-space/ http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-september-7/ Where is that Cowboy fan who said that we were hurting our long term by signing the likes of Babin/Nnamdi/etc.?
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PlayoffPredictions

Patriots , Cincinnati , Texans , Chargers

Steelers & Denver

Eagles , Packers , Saints , 49ers

Bears & Cowboys

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#207 deuce4eva
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Eagles have the most cap room in the NFL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/eagles-lead-the-way-in-regular-season-cap-space/ http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-september-7/ Where is that Cowboy fan who said that we were hurting our long term by signing the likes of Babin/Nnamdi/etc.?No_Hablo_Ingles

The NFL is in BIG trouble. Most cap space in the NFL with that roster is scary.

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#208 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Eagles have the most cap room in the NFL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/eagles-lead-the-way-in-regular-season-cap-space/http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-september-7/ Where is that Cowboy fan who said that we were hurting our long term by signing the likes of Babin/Nnamdi/etc.?deuce4eva

The NFL is in BIG trouble. Most cap space in the NFL with that roster is scary.

Don't forget that we have to resign Maclin and DRC after this year.
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#209 ice144
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Good call by cleveland on deciding not to mention modell at their football game. He definitely would have been booed. His death isn't supposed to somehow completely change how browns fans feel about him.
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#210 theone86
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[QUOTE="deuce4eva"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Eagles have the most cap room in the NFL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/eagles-lead-the-way-in-regular-season-cap-space/http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-september-7/ Where is that Cowboy fan who said that we were hurting our long term by signing the likes of Babin/Nnamdi/etc.?No_Hablo_Ingles

The NFL is in BIG trouble. Most cap space in the NFL with that roster is scary.

Don't forget that we have to resign Maclin and DRC after this year.

I think they estimated that if the Eagles had the exact same roster next year with the players whose deals are up resigning at their current salary that the Eagles would be 17 million in the red in cap space. There's nothing wrong with the NFL cap, the Eagles just frontloaded certain contracts and backloaded others, then happened into a good year.

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#211 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="deuce4eva"]

The NFL is in BIG trouble. Most cap space in the NFL with that roster is scary.

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Don't forget that we have to resign Maclin and DRC after this year.

I think they estimated that if the Eagles had the exact same roster next year with the players whose deals are up resigning at their current salary that the Eagles would be 17 million in the red in cap space. There's nothing wrong with the NFL cap, the Eagles just frontloaded certain contracts and backloaded others, then happened into a good year.

Cap is allowed to carry over to 20 million carried over is more than enough to move, add to that (if the Eagles do not do well) Vick's 16 million will come off the books with no cap penalty.
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Can't wait to watch Luck and the Colts play the Bears tomorrow!
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Don't forget that we have to resign Maclin and DRC after this year.No_Hablo_Ingles

I think they estimated that if the Eagles had the exact same roster next year with the players whose deals are up resigning at their current salary that the Eagles would be 17 million in the red in cap space. There's nothing wrong with the NFL cap, the Eagles just frontloaded certain contracts and backloaded others, then happened into a good year.

Cap is allowed to carry over to 20 million carried over is more than enough to move, add to that (if the Eagles do not do well) Vick's 16 million will come off the books with no cap penalty.

What I'm saying, though, is that the Eagles haven't broken the cap system or gotten steals for very good players. What they have done is found a good balance of frontloading and backloading contracts so they can have multiple high-tier players on their roster at the same time because the years in which their smaller cap hits occur coincide with each other.

I'd also say calling their roster scary is a little bit of an overstatement (though I'm aware that wasn't you). They do have some talented players, but they also have some holes. They got Ryans, but they're still thin at linebacker behind him. They're a little thin at safety. Offensive line is a concern, especially with how fragile Vick can be. One of my biggest gripes, though, is getting excited about their receiving corps. They've made all these moves to get big name players on defense, but who do they have behind Maclin and DeSean? And have Maclin and DeSean proven they can get it done? When you compare their receiving corps to, say, Green Bay's, or New Orleans last year before everybody left, or even New England with their reliance on tight ends it just looks shallow. Green Bay, for example, has Jennings, Driver, Cobb, and Nelson. It's not until you get to their fourth receiver (Jones) that I start to put their corps on par with Philly, and that's because Jones drops half the balls that come his way. That's been a feature of the Eagles, in fact, going back at least to McNabb's time, maybe further, is that they never have a deep receiving corps. What bearing this has on what we were discussing is that there's a balance maintained by the cap. Sure, they've signed a big name to just about every position on defense and got a few key playmakers on offense, but it's balanced out by not having very good depth at some positions and even some weaknesses at starter at others.

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#214 No_Hablo_Ingles
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What I'm saying, though, is that the Eagles haven't broken the cap system or gotten steals for very good players. What they have done is found a good balance of frontloading and backloading contracts so they can have multiple high-tier players on their roster at the same time because the years in which their smaller cap hits occur coincide with each other.

I'd also say calling their roster scary is a little bit of an overstatement (though I'm aware that wasn't you). They do have some talented players, but they also have some holes. They got Ryans, but they're still thin at linebacker behind him. They're a little thin at safety. Offensive line is a concern, especially with how fragile Vick can be. One of my biggest gripes, though, is getting excited about their receiving corps. They've made all these moves to get big name players on defense, but who do they have behind Maclin and DeSean? And have Maclin and DeSean proven they can get it done? When you compare their receiving corps to, say, Green Bay's, or New Orleans last year before everybody left, or even New England with their reliance on tight ends it just looks shallow. Green Bay, for example, has Jennings, Driver, Cobb, and Nelson. It's not until you get to their fourth receiver (Jones) that I start to put their corps on par with Philly, and that's because Jones drops half the balls that come his way. That's been a feature of the Eagles, in fact, going back at least to McNabb's time, maybe further, is that they never have a deep receiving corps. What bearing this has on what we were discussing is that there's a balance maintained by the cap. Sure, they've signed a big name to just about every position on defense and got a few key playmakers on offense, but it's balanced out by not having very good depth at some positions and even some weaknesses at starter at others.

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I Gotcha. For one, I don't want to be like the Pats, Saints, or Packers. We have something they don't have: LeSean McCoy. If we are throwing 600 times with McCoy in the backfield (even if some of those passes were going to McCoy) I would want whoever calls offensive plays fired. I wouldn't call a trio of Maclin, DeSean and Avant weak. They certainly aren't GB caliber, but they are more than a solid trio. There can't be more than 10 other trios that are better in the NFL (NE, GB, NO, ATL, maybe Dallas and NY are the only ones that come to mind, probably forgetting a team or two). For the record, I didn't call their roster scary. I think we are talented, no doubt, and our weakness are overstated, but our team doesn't really strike fear in other teams (well... maybe our DLine does). I wish we had an enforcer... I miss B-Dawk.
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Eagles have the most cap room in the NFL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/eagles-lead-the-way-in-regular-season-cap-space/ http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-september-7/ Where is that Cowboy fan who said that we were hurting our long term by signing the likes of Babin/Nnamdi/etc.?deuce4eva

The NFL is in BIG trouble. Most cap space in the NFL with that roster is scary.

Yeah, having all that cap room for an 8-8 team sure is scary!
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#216 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="deuce4eva"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Eagles have the most cap room in the NFL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/eagles-lead-the-way-in-regular-season-cap-space/http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-september-7/ Where is that Cowboy fan who said that we were hurting our long term by signing the likes of Babin/Nnamdi/etc.?monkeytoes61

The NFL is in BIG trouble. Most cap space in the NFL with that roster is scary.

Yeah, having all that cap room for an 8-8 team sure is scary!

You predict the Eagles are going to be 8-8 THIS year? Willing to bet on that >.>
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I Gotcha. For one, I don't want to be like the Pats, Saints, or Packers. We have something they don't have: LeSean McCoy. If we are throwing 600 times with McCoy in the backfield (even if some of those passes were going to McCoy) I would want whoever calls offensive plays fired. I wouldn't call a trio of Maclin, DeSean and Avant weak. They certainly aren't GB caliber, but they are more than a solid trio. There can't be more than 10 other trios that are better in the NFL (NE, GB, NO, ATL, maybe Dallas and NY are the only ones that come to mind, probably forgetting a team or two). For the record, I didn't call their roster scary. I think we are talented, no doubt, and our weakness are overstated, but our team doesn't really strike fear in other teams (well... maybe our DLine does). I wish we had an enforcer... I miss B-Dawk.No_Hablo_Ingles

I don't think the receiving corps is weak, I just think it drops off after Maclin and DeSean. Avant is solid, dunno if he can make as big a difference as a third receiver as Jordy Nelson or Laurent Robinson though. But yeah, they have a big upside and they do need to get Shady his reps.

You predict the Eagles are going to be 8-8 THIS year? Willing to bet on that >.>No_Hablo_Ingles

I was thoroughly impressed with Dallas' corners the other day. Given that, I'd say it's a distinct possibility, though even if Dallas sweeps you, you could still end up winning four divisional games and who knows how many outside the division.

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#218 No_Hablo_Ingles
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I was thoroughly impressed with Dallas' corners the other day. Given that, I'd say it's a distinct possibility, though even if Dallas sweeps you, you could still end up winning four divisional games and who knows how many outside the division.theone86
You haven't even seen the Eagles yet. Since the Cowboys have yet to beat Vick starting for the Eagles, I'll stick with my team until proven otherwise.
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#219 theone86
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[QUOTE="theone86"]I was thoroughly impressed with Dallas' corners the other day. Given that, I'd say it's a distinct possibility, though even if Dallas sweeps you, you could still end up winning four divisional games and who knows how many outside the division.No_Hablo_Ingles
You haven't even seen the Eagles yet.

True enough, I am just going on what I've seen. I do think Dallas matches up well against the Eagles, but then again the Eagles swept Dallas last season and missed the playoffs. Dallas could sweep the Eagles and it could be the Eagles making the playoffs despite it.

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Texans road to the Super Bowl starts tomorrow :D
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#221 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="theone86"]I was thoroughly impressed with Dallas' corners the other day. Given that, I'd say it's a distinct possibility, though even if Dallas sweeps you, you could still end up winning four divisional games and who knows how many outside the division.theone86

You haven't even seen the Eagles yet.

True enough, I am just going on what I've seen. I do think Dallas matches up well against the Eagles, but then again the Eagles swept Dallas last season and missed the playoffs. Dallas could sweep the Eagles and it could be the Eagles making the playoffs despite it.

They really don't match up well, IMO (maybe the two corners change that, but I have to wait and see. DeSean Jackson isn't like Nicks or Cruz... he is a blazer). Sorry, I don't see it (probably because I'm bias). Dallas scored a grand total of 14 points in two matchups against the Eagles. But it's a new year... hope we get new results (Superbowl, maybe >.>)
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] By crying when their team loses by 40.

Nah, 21.

split the difference at 30.

How about 28? 31 if it rains or snows.
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#223 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] Nah, 21.

split the difference at 30.

How about 28? 31 if it rains or snows.

Yeah, 28 sounds about right (Completely ignore this post if the Eagles manage to lose to the Browns)
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] split the difference at 30.

How about 28? 31 if it rains or snows.

Yeah, 28 sounds about right (Completely ignore this post if the Eagles manage to lose to the Browns)

What post? I don't see anything..
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] You haven't even seen the Eagles yet. No_Hablo_Ingles

True enough, I am just going on what I've seen. I do think Dallas matches up well against the Eagles, but then again the Eagles swept Dallas last season and missed the playoffs. Dallas could sweep the Eagles and it could be the Eagles making the playoffs despite it.

They really don't match up well, IMO (maybe the two corners change that, but I have to wait and see. DeSean Jackson isn't like Nicks or Cruz... he is a blazer). Sorry, I don't see it (probably because I'm bias). Dallas scored a grand total of 14 points in two matchups against the Eagles. But it's a new year... hope we get new results (Superbowl, maybe >.>)

Just because he's a burner doesn't mean he can beat those corners. Cruz is a burner too and he got shut down (though admittedly a lot of that is on him). That, and Ogletree had a big game. Bryant looked pretty decent, and Murray established the run well. If Miles Austin can get it together they could have a more potent offense. I'm sorry, I just like what I see from Dallas, though like you said I haven't seen anything form Philly yet this year. And Dallas' O-line was complete sh*t, so there's that going for you as well.

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#226 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Didn't say he could, saying he's a different type of receiver, and Dallas (before this point) has played him differently then Nick or Cruz (Their corners play like 20 yards deep...). As you said, Dallas O-Line is pretty bad... and Philly's D-Line got 46 sacks last year...
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Looking forward to the Packers game tomorrow. I'll have to record it due to work, so I won't be on for most the day if I'm even on at all.
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Dallas scored a grand total of 14 points in two matchups against the Eagles.No_Hablo_Ingles

Romo basically didn't play for the 2nd of those games... and I'd say that is a big factor. Eagles were all over the Cowboys their first meeting yes, but who knows which Romo would show up if he didn't get hurt the second game, the one that was harassed the whole first game, or the Romo that makes plays happen.

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Can't wait for 1 PM.

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I will have multiple tabs open so I can view the scores in all of my leagues. :P
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#231 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Dallas scored a grand total of 14 points in two matchups against the Eagles.Major_Snake

Romo basically didn't play for the 2nd of those games... and I'd say that is a big factor. Eagles were all over the Cowboys their first meeting yes, but who knows which Romo would show up if he didn't get hurt the second game, the one that was harassed the whole first game, or the Romo that makes plays happen.

Romo played in the entire first game (His TD pass came in the 4th), and we knocked him out in the second (although I think he would have played if the game meant anything. Him being harassed all game isn't up to him, he will be. We have one of the (if not the) best D-Lines in football and we are 9 deep.
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#232 No_Hablo_Ingles
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I will have multiple tabs open so I can view the scores in all of my leagues. :P Swanogt19
I'm playing in several league, but honestly only care about the Gamespot one.
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[QUOTE="Swanogt19"]I will have multiple tabs open so I can view the scores in all of my leagues. :P No_Hablo_Ingles
I'm playing in several league, but honestly only care about the Gamespot one.

Only in one Gamespot union one.
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Can't wait for 1 PM.

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Can't wait until I get home from work so I can watch recorded Packers. :D
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Sundays is when I click the refresh button on my fantasy matchup. :P

Anyways I hope the Skins can pull an upset.

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LOL @ philly with this turnover **** already, what was Vick thinking with that throw.
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RGIII to Garcon. TD! :D

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#238 No_Hablo_Ingles
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LOL @ philly with this turnover **** already, what was Vick thinking with that throw.-Halftime-
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Brady passes for career 301 TD pass, surpasses Elway for #5 All-time.

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#240 Major_Snake
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[QUOTE="Major_Snake"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Dallas scored a grand total of 14 points in two matchups against the Eagles.No_Hablo_Ingles

Romo basically didn't play for the 2nd of those games... and I'd say that is a big factor. Eagles were all over the Cowboys their first meeting yes, but who knows which Romo would show up if he didn't get hurt the second game, the one that was harassed the whole first game, or the Romo that makes plays happen.

Romo played in the entire first game (His TD pass came in the 4th), and we knocked him out in the second (although I think he would have played if the game meant anything. Him being harassed all game isn't up to him, he will be. We have one of the (if not the) best D-Lines in football and we are 9 deep.

The Giants have a way better Dline and look what happened to them. Romo is elusive y'know.

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#241 fastr
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Brady passes for career 301 TD pass, surpasses Elway for #5 All-time.

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He'll be #4 before this season is over
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#242 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Major_Snake"]

Romo basically didn't play for the 2nd of those games... and I'd say that is a big factor. Eagles were all over the Cowboys their first meeting yes, but who knows which Romo would show up if he didn't get hurt the second game, the one that was harassed the whole first game, or the Romo that makes plays happen.

Major_Snake

Romo played in the entire first game (His TD pass came in the 4th), and we knocked him out in the second (although I think he would have played if the game meant anything. Him being harassed all game isn't up to him, he will be. We have one of the (if not the) best D-Lines in football and we are 9 deep.

The Giants have a way better Dline and look what happened to them. Romo is elusive y'know.

Way better? No, that is absurd. Also, they lack the Eagles depth at the position.
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#243 D3s7rUc71oN
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[QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"]

Brady passes for career 301 TD pass, surpasses Elway for #5 All-time.

fastr

He'll be #4 before this season is over

342 is #4 , most likely if they get deep in the playoffs. He's going to most likely surpass Dan Marino's 420 before he retires.

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#244 monkeytoes61
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Me3x12 is going to make some thread about Robert Griffin within the next hour, I know it.
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#245 Seabas989
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Me3x12 is going to make some thread about Robert Griffin within the next hour, I know it.monkeytoes61

Can everyone please ignore him.

Anyways I am very impressed by RGIII so far. Only mistake I can think of is when throwing a screen pass, don't throw it behind the reciever. Good thing it was caught.

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#246 -Halftime-
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Kurt Coleman just got owned
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#247 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Kurt Coleman just got owned-Halftime-
My God that hit... At least they stopped him and then Ryans came up with the big 3rd down play.
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#248 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]Kurt Coleman just got ownedNo_Hablo_Ingles
My God that hit... At least they stopped him and then Ryans came up with the big 3rd down play.

Also, our run defense looks pretty good right now.
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#249 deuce4eva
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Can we get it together -.-

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#250 Major_Snake
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Man I feel bad for Tannehill. 3 straight possessions ending with INTs. 2 of them basically punt catches from tipped balls.