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#1 big_boss4life
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After watching this video:

http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/specials/special.pl?spec=mgs4_ces&pagenum=1

I gotta say, COME ON HIDEO!!=!?!?!? WTF?

did you see tha AI? the movement of the enemies is the same from MGS2 AND MGS3, the same icon above their heads ( ! ? )

i thought i read somewhere that with the power of the ps3 they wont need those (? ! ) anymore the enemies will make their own faces, the camera probles are still there, it looks the same MGS but with Gears like controls

I m a big mgs fan but... i m feeling kinda disspointed @ Hideo i expected a little bit more.....

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#2 big_boss4life
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anyone? feeling the same ?
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#3 thageneral3
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No

The game looks amazing, thanks for the vid

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#4 expanded
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WTF.. i love the ! ? !!!! don't atke that away!?

how are you disappointed.. you can't judge the game with just the video..
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#5 A3trix
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It won't matter when your actually playing...
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#6 Tdiddy05
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umm no...

Its Metal Gear man its going to be similar to the previous games but better

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#7 the4got10one
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WTF.. i love the ! ? !!!! don't atke that away!?

how are you disappointed.. you can't judge the game with just the video..expanded

He's right, you shouldn't judge a game based on a video

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#8 emitsu97
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The AI should be detuned for shows. The demo is meant to give a taste not have people at the show standing there for hours trying to get from point A to point B while a line of people wait their turn. As for the facial animations...kinda hard to see that when they're wearing masks.
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#9 handag
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Thats the trail, not the full game. Hideo has stated that The trail is compleatly different from the last version of the game. They eaven changed the Weapon Icons for gods sake!
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#10 Andrew_Xavier
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Awesome video,

convinced me to give the game a go.

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#11 big_boss4life
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WTF.. i love the ! ? !!!! don't atke that away!?

how are you disappointed.. you can't judge the game with just the video..expanded

Dude the AI and movement of the soldiers are going to be like that THE WHOLE GAME, thats how its going to be!!!!!

it looks so last gen, i m being serious here man, i m big MGS FAN i know i m going to end up likeing it but i cant help to feel a little disspoited :(

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#12 big_boss4life
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The AI should be detuned for shows. The demo is meant to give a taste not have people at the show standing there for hours trying to get from point A to point B while a line of people wait their turn. As for the facial animations...kinda hard to see that when they're wearing masks.emitsu97

Ryan said that , that demo was from the final version, is not like the demo from tokio... this is the real deal...

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#13 GreenGoblin2099
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did you see tha AI? the movement of the enemies is the same from MGS2 AND MGS3, the same icon above their heads ( ! ? )

i thought i read somewhere that with the power of the ps3 they wont need those (? ! ) anymore the enemies will make their own faces, the camera probles are still there, it looks the same MGS but with Gears like controls

big_boss4life

Since I've got memory the "!" "?"has been in all MGs... I'd be EXTREMELY PISSED if Hideo took them away.

So you might as well change the topic title for "Metal Gear Solid 4, Not quiet what I expected :("

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#14 big_boss4life
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[QUOTE="big_boss4life"]

did you see tha AI? the movement of the enemies is the same from MGS2 AND MGS3, the same icon above their heads ( ! ? )

i thought i read somewhere that with the power of the ps3 they wont need those (? ! ) anymore the enemies will make their own faces, the camera probles are still there, it looks the same MGS but with Gears like controls

GreenGoblin2099

Since I've got memory the "!" "?"has been in all MGs... I'd be EXTREMELY PISSED if Hideo took them away.

So you might as well change the topic title for "Metal Gear Solid 4, Not quiet what I expected :("

Hideo himself said that, those icon were going to change for facial gestures....

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#15 Always-Honest
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anyone? feeling the same ?big_boss4life

well, i do feel somewhat tjhe same. i don't like the icons and i don't like Hideo's sense of humor. But i think the controls are much better than the god-awfull-unimmersive-unintuiticve MGS2 controls. And i think the game will be great.

also, no inversed controls wil mean i won't buy it. yep, that's how strongly i feel about that.

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#16 FoxDie003
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first of all the difficulty they play demo's at is likely going to be easy so while demonstrating the game they dont keep dying, same for if they let others play the demo they dont want everyone to wait in line forever to play because someone is stuck, and as for the (!) icon i hope that its in the lower difficulty settings but not on hard.
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After watching this video:

http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/specials/special.pl?spec=mgs4_ces&pagenum=1

I gotta say, COME ON HIDEO!!=!?!?!? WTF?

did you see tha AI? the movement of the enemies is the same from MGS2 AND MGS3, the same icon above their heads ( ! ? )

i thought i read somewhere that with the power of the ps3 they wont need those (? ! ) anymore the enemies will make their own faces, the camera probles are still there, it looks the same MGS but with Gears like controls

I m a big mgs fan but... i m feeling kinda disspointed @ Hideo i expected a little bit more.....

big_boss4life

that makes no sense what so ever. What are they going to zoom in on their faces? Things like the (!?) are not because of graphics or power of the console, but for us. Why would I want to see their mask covered faces? (if they are covered) Seriously th the ( ! ? ) is for the player to see easily if the gaurd noticed them. Plus that's MGS.

Also might I add we have no idea how the game will turn out. Kojima and Koonami keeps their greatest secrets till the game comes out. For example MGS2 with Raiden, special appearances, boss battles,twists and turns in the story, that's what Metal Gear Solid is, not graphics. another example is their hair, that's Kojima's way he could make it flow and stuff but he doesn't have too and it even may take away from the story as many people will look at the characters and feel weird because of enhanced looks.

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#18 pwnjutsu
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Dude the AI and movement of the soldiers are going to be like that THE WHOLE GAME, thats how its going to be!!!!!

it looks so last gen, i m being serious here man, i m big MGS FAN i know i m going to end up likeing it but i cant help to feel a little disspoited :(

big_boss4life

I dont know what you where expecting but Im looking forward to playing this game more than any other next year. As for the game looking last gen, I dont know what the hell you're smoking but this has to be one of the best looking games EVER, and thats not an opinion its a freeking fact. I have no idea how you could make such a statement. As for the ! and ? above the enemy's head, it wouldnt be Metal Gear without it.

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[QUOTE="expanded"]WTF.. i love the ! ? !!!! don't atke that away!?

how are you disappointed.. you can't judge the game with just the video..big_boss4life

Dude the AI and movement of the soldiers are going to be like that THE WHOLE GAME, thats how its going to be!!!!!

it looks so last gen, i m being serious here man, i m big MGS FAN i know i m going to end up likeing it but i cant help to feel a little disspoited :(

why do you keep insisting you're a big MGS FAN?

and the AI on these vids is set to easy

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#20 GreenGoblin2099
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="big_boss4life"]

did you see tha AI? the movement of the enemies is the same from MGS2 AND MGS3, the same icon above their heads ( ! ? )

i thought i read somewhere that with the power of the ps3 they wont need those (? ! ) anymore the enemies will make their own faces, the camera probles are still there, it looks the same MGS but with Gears like controls

big_boss4life

Since I've got memory the "!" "?"has been in all MGs... I'd be EXTREMELY PISSED if Hideo took them away.

So you might as well change the topic title for "Metal Gear Solid 4, Not quiet what I expected :("

Hideo himself said that, those icon were going to change for facial gestures....

That's not the point... read carefully what I said and maybe you'll begin to uinderstand WHY he probably didn't do it.

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#21 expanded
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how can there even be an argument here.. we need to try the game first then judge it..
this video proves nothing about the AI .. for all we know the AI is just ignorant for the first couple scenes in the game and next thing you know they are more aware of snake's presence.. etc. etc. .. i say just wait
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#22 Lab392
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The ! and ? were confirmed to be back in a while ago, and so was the over-the-shoulder view. The controls themselves have also seen a bit of an overhaul. All I have to say is that change isn't always bad. What deterred a lot of casuals from MGS games is the fact that you had to press, like 5 buttons to shoot in the first person. They changed that to appeal to a wider audience, and it will probably feel better than it did in past games. I don't see how an over the shoulder view would take from the value of the game especially since you can exchange it for the classic auto-aim at any time. What camera problems were you talking about?
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#23 expanded
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i remember when i didn't know how to shoot and run in third person in mgs lol then i found out i had to hold X while gently pressing square
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#24 p4ddym
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Even the trial looks like a game i would have a lot of fun playing. I would have to think about how to stealthily kill my enemies etc. PS. The ! is cool
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#25 big_boss4life
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gezzz its been confirmed that the last demo from las vegas was from the final game.... i know the game will have an awesome story, awesome twist, awesome charecter etc etc, but the F**** AI, AND THE physics looks like a mgs from PS2, thats what i m trying to say GEZZ
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#26 redskins2156
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Dude I don't think you have been playing mgs that long. The icons above the enemies head has been a part of mgs games for years. They could have gotten rid of the icons a while ago, but I'm glad they didn't. Plus you haven't even played the game yet, so how can you say it's "not quite what we expected". Also please use the spell check before you post, I don't get it when you say "Not quiet what we expected". By reading that statement, it tells me you might be a kid. So you probably haven't played mgs from before. Go back and play mgs 1-3
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#27 wooooode
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The ?! are trade marks of the series that is why they are in there. The game looks good and with the rumors of a demo in Feb we may get a chance to see for our selves.
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#28 redskins2156
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Oh! yeah!, by! the! way! judge! the! game! after! it! comes! out!. Remember! Assassins Creeds's! screenshots! and! videos! looked! amazing! too!, remember! how! bad! that! game! stunk!.!!!!!!!!!!
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#29 redskins2156
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Give us a link that confirms it.
gezzz its been confirmed that the last demo from las vegas was from the final game.... i know the game will have an awesome story, awesome twist, awesome charecter etc etc, but the F**** AI, AND THE physics looks like a mgs from PS2, thats what i m trying to say GEZZbig_boss4life
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#30 l8bitz
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i thought i read somewhere that with the power of the ps3 they wont need those (? ! ) anymore the enemies will make their own facesbig_boss4life

PFFFT BUHAHA yeah right!

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#31 Reaper_Squad
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dude the game isnt even done yet

chill out

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#32 redskins2156
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When did he confirm this, it sounds like you are good friends with hideo. Please give us a link that confirms this!?!?!?!!!
[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="big_boss4life"]

did you see tha AI? the movement of the enemies is the same from MGS2 AND MGS3, the same icon above their heads ( ! ? )

i thought i read somewhere that with the power of the ps3 they wont need those (? ! ) anymore the enemies will make their own faces, the camera probles are still there, it looks the same MGS but with Gears like controls

big_boss4life

Since I've got memory the "!" "?"has been in all MGs... I'd be EXTREMELY PISSED if Hideo took them away.

So you might as well change the topic title for "Metal Gear Solid 4, Not quiet what I expected :("

Hideo himself said that, those icon were going to change for facial gestures....

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#33 jackle2071
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WTF.. i love the ! ? !!!! don't atke that away!?

how are you disappointed.. you can't judge the game with just the video..expanded
i agree. ! ? FTW
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#34 big_boss4life
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dude the game isnt even done yet

chill out

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It acutually is.. they are just checking for bugs now...

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#35 the4got10one
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If you have such a big problem with it, then don't buy the game.
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#36 CommanderTy
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WTF.. i love the ! ? !!!! don't atke that away!?

how are you disappointed.. you can't judge the game with just the video..expanded
yeah dude if you dont like it then you can get the heck outa here thats the best
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#37 heyheydoh
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As someone said before me, how do you expect to see the soldiers faces through masks?
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#38 big_boss4life
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Give us a link that confirms it. [QUOTE="big_boss4life"]gezzz its been confirmed that the last demo from las vegas was from the final game.... i know the game will have an awesome story, awesome twist, awesome charecter etc etc, but the F**** AI, AND THE physics looks like a mgs from PS2, thats what i m trying to say GEZZredskins2156

http://www.gamertell.com/gaming/comment/metal-gear-solid-4-nearly-done/

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After watching this video:

http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/specials/special.pl?spec=mgs4_ces&pagenum=1

I gotta say, COME ON HIDEO!!=!?!?!? WTF?

did you see tha AI? the movement of the enemies is the same from MGS2 AND MGS3, the same icon above their heads ( ! ? )

i thought i read somewhere that with the power of the ps3 they wont need those (? ! ) anymore the enemies will make their own faces, the camera probles are still there, it looks the same MGS but with Gears like controls

I m a big mgs fan but... i m feeling kinda disspointed @ Hideo i expected a little bit more.....

big_boss4life
i just went to the site and before I watch the video I read the paragraph under it. It states. THE CAMERA WE USED WAS FILMING IT IN 20 FPS AND DON'T WORRY NONE OF THOSE GILTCHES WERE EVEN PRESENT PLAYING THE GAME. EVERY AI AND EVERYTHING ELSE PLAYED AS SMOOTH AS BUTTER.
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#40 mountain_duwe
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The exclamation points and question marks are Metal Gear Solid trademarks...yes, they are trying to attain as much realism as possible, but Kojima still recognizes where he came from...not like other sell-outs in life.
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#41 sonynhater
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WTF.. i love the ! ? !!!! don't atke that away!?

how are you disappointed.. you can't judge the game with just the video..expanded

well, you cant say the games going to be awsome from this vid. too.

so, you just cantradicted yourself

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#42 deactivated-58319077a6477
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I hate these kind of topics.you pick on things that are normal for a game to have, and besides if you are a fan of the series like you say and by your user name you should know MGS is popular for its story. All I want is to play the game and find out what the twist will be in the end.

I don't care if it has physics or not.

Note: ever thought they might be playing it on easy, I checked the video again and when he opened the weapon window he had a lot of weapons where normally in MGS you start with less weapons and start picking up when you go further in the game.

:lol: your topic fail.

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#43 the_one34
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What would MGS be without the classic "?!" ?
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#44 2headedhawaiian
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I'm just annoyed that multiple people in this thread have used "quiet" in place of "quite." However, in regards to the TC's statements, what "we" expect is a fantastic game, which no pre-release video will either confirm or deny. Just wait it out like the rest of us, okay? Everything will be fine.
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#45 inFamous_Nik
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ok, first of all... whoever is playin the game really sucks... BAD! it was set on easy, obviously, n they could barely handle it! i really dont kno how they didnt die. i guess thats just cuz it was on easy. n y wasnt he usin the incredible cover system???

now, the gameplay looked great in nearly every aspect n if i wasnt already sold on this game (which i am) then this trial vid would definately solidify my decision to purchase this game.

i really cant wait for this game!

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#46 big_boss4life
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The exclamation points and question marks are Metal Gear Solid trademarks...yes, they are trying to attain as much realism as possible, but Kojima still recognizes where he came from...not like other sell-outs in life.mountain_duwe

....*not like other sell-outs *..... ok mmmmm i just wanted to point that one... but i m not making any further comments..

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[QUOTE="expanded"]WTF.. i love the ! ? !!!! don't atke that away!?

how are you disappointed.. you can't judge the game with just the video..sonynhater

well, you cant say the games going to be awsome from this vid. too.

so, you just cantradicted yourself


thats why i didn't leave a compliment :o
even if this game gets a 4.0 .. i'd still pick it up though :) lol
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#48 Symphonycometh
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After watching this video:

http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/specials/special.pl?spec=mgs4_ces&pagenum=1

I gotta say, COME ON HIDEO!!=!?!?!? WTF?

did you see tha AI? the movement of the enemies is the same from MGS2 AND MGS3, the same icon above their heads ( ! ? )

i thought i read somewhere that with the power of the ps3 they wont need those (? ! ) anymore the enemies will make their own faces, the camera probles are still there, it looks the same MGS but with Gears like controls

I m a big mgs fan but... i m feeling kinda disspointed @ Hideo i expected a little bit more.....

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I was expecting better from someone with a post count over 700.:|

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#49 kieran88
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[QUOTE="expanded"]WTF.. i love the ! ? !!!! don't atke that away!?

how are you disappointed.. you can't judge the game with just the video..sonynhater

well, you cant say the games going to be awsome from this vid. too.

so, you just cantradicted yourself

lol no he didn't. He never said the game was good or bad, he said dont judge from videos :P idiot.

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#50 linufinu
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After watching this video:

http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/specials/special.pl?spec=mgs4_ces&pagenum=1

I gotta say, COME ON HIDEO!!=!?!?!? WTF?

did you see tha AI? the movement of the enemies is the same from MGS2 AND MGS3, the same icon above their heads ( ! ? )

i thought i read somewhere that with the power of the ps3 they wont need those (? ! ) anymore the enemies will make their own faces, the camera probles are still there, it looks the same MGS but with Gears like controls

I m a big mgs fan but... i m feeling kinda disspointed @ Hideo i expected a little bit more.....

http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/specials/special.pl?spec=mgs4_ces&pagenum=1

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