Metal Gear Solid 4: Could It Have Been Better?

Your opinions, please! Do you think it's a perfect masterpiece, a masterpiece with flaws, a disappointment? Could the game have been better in your eyes? And of course, reasons behind your statements work too. Arguments are far more than welcomed.

(Note: No poll since for this thread, I want to hear your opinion. If you can't voice it, we don't need to see it in any form, right?)

I didn't like the change from the jungle environment, also I didn't like the camo that automatically blended in to the environment, boss fights were lame compared to MGS3's absolutely amazing boss fights, the cutscenes seemed to drag on, also the story was terrible compared to MGS3.

more gameplay. Some of the cutscenesshould have been shorter

Definitely better boss fights. After MGS3's amazing boss battles the B&Bs fell completely flat

more gameplay. Some of the cutscenesshould have been shorter

Definitely better boss fights. After MGS3's amazing boss battles the B&Bs fell completely flat

I think the first time you play it, its a masterpiece. Its a game I could never bring myself to finish from top to bottom after I beat it.

For me, its a boarderline top 5 game this gen. Like I said its a perfect 10 on the first playthrough, but after I started up my second run it lost some of its magic for me.

no because it came out2 yrs ago and so many games copied the gameplay of mgs4 after it

MGS4 is a a god!!!!! A god that I traded to gamestop after completing it. Felt way too guilty and sleezy a couple months later so I purchased it again from amazon. :)

Metal Gear Solid 4 is a Masterpiece done so perfectly, if it could be even better, no doubt it would with Kojima holding it down.

Yeah, it could've. I guess they could've shortened up a few cutscenes. My biggest gripe was how they wrapped up all (or at least, most) the loose ends.

no, i thought it was perfect, by far the best in the series.

It was a great game. Everything was perfect except ONE thing...

like everyone else says...

The boss fights. They were pretty boring because they were not too much of a challenge.The B&B's were tied into the story so well though that it was hard to say the game was bad because of that. I still give it a 9.9.

i defintely feel it is. I rmeber playing it through and just being amazed, the way kojima wrapped everything up, the graphics, the cutscenes, and one word RAIDEN, He was so badbutt and seeing shadow moses definitely made chills run through my spine. Ive been cotemplating playing the series again recently, but MGS4 was definitely a perfect game. Well worth the money, and some games today fail to look as good as it does.

oo and i cant belive i forgot to mention the final fight with ocelet was the most epic boss fight ive ever expirienced, and being that i played every single MGS game it made me feel good on the inside

It was a great game. Everything was perfect except ONE thing...

like everyone else says...

The boss fights. They were pretty boring because they were not too much of a challenge.The B&B's were tied into the story so well though that it was hard to say the game was bad because of that. I still give it a 9.9.

zark1989

Yes, it could be. but it's already more than enough for me.

oo did i forget the fight between metal gear ray and metal gear rex... super epic especially on 1080P

While it is def a masterpiece i think therewas still room for improvment. act's 1 and 2 were GREAT but acts 3,4 and that mini act5 were just not as good as the first two imo. not that they didnt have there moments "rex vs ray ;)" but overall the last 3 acts just didnt seem as deep gameplay wise. Also some aspects of the story just seemed goofy to me and even purposly and needlesly over complexe.One thing i will def say is that IMHO the graphics have yet to be completly beat. sure Killzone 2 and Uncharted2 had a little more complexe enviroments and/or more effects but MGS4 had the cleanest visuals IMHO as a complete pakage i prefered the look of MGS4.

oo did i forget the fight between metal gear ray and metal gear rex... super epic especially on 1080P

dkidfrmdbx

The game sucked, made the rest look bad...UmWhatTheHell

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oo did i forget the fight between metal gear ray and metal gear rex... super epic especially on 1080P

Symphonycometh

***SPOILER BELOW***

The final fight between Snake and Liquid (and the alter egos) was the most epic fight in a video game EVER. Especially if you have played every MG game.

It was good. I'm not sure what I would've changed to make it better though. I thoroughly enjoyed it my first several playthroughs when the game first came out. If I went back and played through it now I'm not sure I would enjoy it quite as much...

The only change that would make it alot better would be if it gave free money.

the game was a perfect masterpiece with flaws.......

IMO: as a showcase for what the ps3 is capable of in terms of gaming, graphics, presentation, mgs4 is a masterpiece. Its the best looking game to date, even better than UC2 or KZ2 I think. The faces were very detailed as well as the enviornments and background. The boss battles were epic (MGS fans you know which one im talking about).

However, as a MGS game I taught it could of been done way better. First of all, TOO MANY cutscenes, I felt like i did 80% watchin and 20% playing. Also, I hated the idea of Drebin, buying guns and ammo, come on guys, its a MGS game, let us find ammo. At first i didn't lie the chapter setup, I would of much rather have it in one location during a short time frame type deal, it feels more urgernt. And the bosses were lame overall, I miss Foxhound bosses, the best in the series.

Yes, it could have been a lot better. It was great nothing more, I'd rate it 8.5, which it deserves!

I didn't like the change from the jungle environment, also I didn't like the camo that automatically blended in to the environment, boss fights were lame compared to MGS3's absolutely amazing boss fights, the cutscenes seemed to drag on, also the story was terrible compared to MGS3.

StealthMonkey4

I didn't like the change from the jungle environment, also I didn't like the camo that automatically blended in to the environment, boss fights were lame compared to MGS3's absolutely amazing boss fights, the cutscenes seemed to drag on, also the story was terrible compared to MGS3.

StealthMonkey4

Masterpiece, best on the PS3 IMO.

Missing? Boss Rush mode and Demo theater. Seriously, why isnt it there?

Masterpiece, best on the PS3 IMO.

Missing? Boss Rush mode and Demo theater. Seriously, why isnt it there?

San_09

I loved it, definitely in my top 5 games of all time :)

I don't get how people say the boss fights weren't important to the story. Just because they weren't as focused on as previous bosses doesn't degrade their importance to the story. Do you guys seriously have that bad of a memory? They tie perfectly in with Snake's opening line "War has changed." The B&B Corps. were examples of how impersonal and controlled war has become. The B&B were traumatized by war and were all driven to kill Snake. When they get out of their suits it's like when the PMC soldiers' nanomachines were suppressed and they all remember the horrors of war, everything came rushing back to them and they showed their true emotions.

I don't get how people say the boss fights weren't important to the story. Just because they weren't as focused on as previous bosses doesn't degrade their importance to the story. Do you guys seriously have that bad of a memory? They tie perfectly in with Snake's opening line "War has changed." The B&B Corps. were examples of how impersonal and controlled war has become. The B&B were traumatized by war and were all driven to kill Snake. When they get out of their suits it's like when the PMC soldiers' nanomachines were suppressed and they all remember the horrors of war, everything came rushing back to them and they showed their true emotions.

anime_gamer007

I loved all the cut scenes. It was like a mini movie inside an already fantastic game. Seems alot of people wanted the scenes shorter. Hmm go figure.

It might sound frivolous, but the Codec was a major disappointment this time around.This was a great source of humor in the previous games.

I thought it was the perfect exclamation point to the MGS series or at least Snake's run as the main focus/character in the series. I loved every bit of it and honestly I never felt overwhelmed by the cut scenes because they were so engrossing for me. I loved the gameplay, music, graphics, and so on. Everything about it just felt right to me.

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I don't get how people say the boss fights weren't important to the story. Just because they weren't as focused on as previous bosses doesn't degrade their importance to the story. Do you guys seriously have that bad of a memory? They tie perfectly in with Snake's opening line "War has changed." The B&B Corps. were examples of how impersonal and controlled war has become. The B&B were traumatized by war and were all driven to kill Snake. When they get out of their suits it's like when the PMC soldiers' nanomachines were suppressed and they all remember the horrors of war, everything came rushing back to them and they showed their true emotions.

ProjectTrinity

It was my first MGS game so my background is a little different than most. I liked almost everything about it. The shooting could have been better, but it's not really about running and gunning so I guess it was good enough. The biggest things that upset me were...

• Snake's voice... The voice actor is either horrible at best or Kojima wants Snake to sound like a crappy voice actor. With all the other goofy stuff in the game, it could very well be the later.
• Boss backgrounds weren't cutscenes... those were the most interesting stories in the game to me, but they were like the only ones that didn't have cutscenes. Those should've been more than just a text based Codex conversation.
• Cutscene fights didn't have bass. Bass is critical for me. Without it, it's like watching a fight scene on mute.

Those are my only complaints that I feel are worth mentioning. The gameplay is really old school feeling, but to me it was like Mario in the sense that they kept it how it probably was way back in the 80s, but dressed it up to look modern. I could see people complaining, but I liked it because of that.

It also helped that I love anime so for me the cutscenes were like watching an anime episode, stop for 15 minutes to play a game, then watch another episode. If you don't like anime I could see you totally hating the length of the cutscenes and a lot of the content in it.

Plus... it's got Drebin, which more than makes up for any shortcomings.

The gameplay is fine, there's no question with that. (aside from the Ocelot fight of coarse)

But as far as the story itself? I think those plot holes could've been "better filled". It just seems like it was quickly filled with paper instead of the soil (or dirt) it was originally apart of. Many "closings" in the story were not closed properly and were covered with blanket solutions.

I knew about Zero and Ocelot, but didn't expect "the entire cast of MGS3" to be The Patriots. Not to mention, this "It was all about nano machines!" stuff.

I think they completely screwed up Vamp as well.