So with console becoming very close to most of todays pc's...

It all depends on what kind of games you like, PC has a vide variety of games and even tho most big games these days are multiplatform, it's still difficult to get the best TBS or RTS games on a console, not to mention MMORPGs or simulators, and personally I can't stand playing most games(especially FPS) without a mouse.

But if you don't mind playing with a pad, and usually just get the big titles, console definately isn't a bad choise.

There really isnt a reason to put a game on pc and not the systems(and vice versa) everyone is in it for money these days(excpet blizzard,valve etc.) and i was gonna get the Q6600 and the 8800GTS Nvidia graphics card but i relized i could buy a 360 and wii...but i dont want to turn into a console gamer, i love being a hermit(lol) but i feel im bein ripped off in a way with me paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade(no im not complaining about the cost just simply stating) i could buy a console with equel gaming capabilities...what are you thought on this? should i resort to droppin my pc gaming rig...(sorry if this belongs in a diffren forum i just want certain opnions :D)demonik_360

You have a valid point here. Computers nowadays are VERY expensive. A decent gaming machine costs more than 2000 dollars. It's crazy really... With that kind of money you can buy a PS3, a 360, a Wii and a PC for internet and older games. I mean come on you get4 machines instead of one... It's a no-brainer. And with today's multiplatform madness you really wouldn't miss many games on the PC anyway.

[QUOTE="demonik_360"]There really isnt a reason to put a game on pc and not the systems(and vice versa) everyone is in it for money these days(excpet blizzard,valve etc.) and i was gonna get the Q6600 and the 8800GTS Nvidia graphics card but i relized i could buy a 360 and wii...but i dont want to turn into a console gamer, i love being a hermit(lol) but i feel im bein ripped off in a way with me paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade(no im not complaining about the cost just simply stating) i could buy a console with equel gaming capabilities...what are you thought on this? should i resort to droppin my pc gaming rig...(sorry if this belongs in a diffren forum i just want certain opnions :D)ParadoxOne11

You have a valid point here. Computers nowadays are VERY expensive. A decent gaming machine costs more than 2000 dollars. It's crazy really... With that kind of money you can buy a PS3, a 360, a Wii and a PC for internet and older games. I mean come on you get4 machines instead of one... It's a no-brainer. And with today's multiplatform madness you really wouldn't miss many games on the PC anyway.

Really? With 800 you get a graphics card for a high end machine and maybe some ram but that's about it...ParadoxOne11

[QUOTE="ParadoxOne11"]Really? With 800 you get a graphics card for a high end machine and maybe some ram but that's about it...EntwineX

Yeah I know. Even with 400 dollars you can buy a decent PC second-hand that can play some of todays games but I was talking about the high end stuff like an 8800 sli rig. You need 2000 for that...

My point is, with 800 dollars you won't get a machine that can handle let's say Crysis at max levels like a PS3 can easily or another machine that is atleast comparable with the graphics power of the PS3. You'll need lik 1400+ to do that...ParadoxOne11

Well at newegg you can get for e.g.

8800GTS 320Mb
650W PSU
Core2Duo E6550
Evga Mobo
2x1Gb DDR2 667Mhz Ram
250Gb HD
+ a cool case

For $820 and it should run Crysis decently on pretty high settings.

There really isnt a reason to put a game on pc and not the systems(and vice versa) everyone is in it for money these days(excpet blizzard,valve etc.) and i was gonna get the Q6600 and the 8800GTS Nvidia graphics card but i relized i could buy a 360 and wii...but i dont want to turn into a console gamer, i love being a hermit(lol) but i feel im bein ripped off in a way with me paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade(no im not complaining about the cost just simply stating) i could buy a console with equel gaming capabilities...what are you thought on this? should i resort to droppin my pc gaming rig...(sorry if this belongs in a diffren forum i just want certain opnions :D)demonik_360

i totally agree with you. in the old days pc games had a big advantagedue toonline capability,that however is no longer a factor. i mean, if ps3 or a 360 get a keyboard and a mouse, and i kinda hope they do, pc gaming is dead. heck, you can surf the web on a ps3 for crying out loud.

i feel im bein ripped off in a way with me paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade(no im not complaining about the cost just simply stating) i could buy a console with equel gaming capabilities...what are you thought on this?demonik_360

It's subjective that they are equal. I spend much more of my gaming time on my PC than my 360 because I find it better.

[QUOTE="demonik_360"]There really isnt a reason to put a game on pc and not the systems(and vice versa) everyone is in it for money these days(excpet blizzard,valve etc.) and i was gonna get the Q6600 and the 8800GTS Nvidia graphics card but i relized i could buy a 360 and wii...but i dont want to turn into a console gamer, i love being a hermit(lol) but i feel im bein ripped off in a way with me paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade(no im not complaining about the cost just simply stating) i could buy a console with equel gaming capabilities...what are you thought on this? should i resort to droppin my pc gaming rig...(sorry if this belongs in a diffren forum i just want certain opnions :D)WorriorElite

i totally agree with you. in the old days pc games had a big advantagedue toonline capability,that however is no longer a factor. i mean, if ps3 or a 360 get a keyboard and a mouse, and i kinda hope they do, pc gaming is dead. heck, you can surf the web on a ps3 for crying out loud.

Well with keyboards it's easy. The consoles have USB ports so you just have to stick one in. As for a mouse I don't know if it can be done I will just buy a PS3 and never upgrade my PC again as shooters and strategy games are the only ones that are better on the PC anyways...

I wouldn't drop your PC jsut yet that $600 PS3 can crank out 1080p which is short for 1920x1080. High endPCs can put out 3 times the resolution of this.The PC may cost 3 times as much but that is becuase it runs so much better.

You also want to consider the versatility of your PC. You surf the net play games type documents edit photos and video put music on your MP3 player. Out of that list your console can only do 2 of those things.

I agree with a previous poster that it depends on what type of game you play. FPS, RTS, MMORPG are definitely at home on the PC, with a great control scheme, general ease of use, etc.

A 2.000$ machine? That's probably not a good rig. Just a bad buy. Who needs TWO 8800 right now? It's ridiculous. Buy one, save your money to buy a 9800 or something a year and a 1/2 from now. With a little thought, you can build a great machine, then stay on top of any newly-released games, with an average spend of 500$ a year. And the games will look sharper than on the 360 or PS3.

And if you say that's more than what consoles cost, you may be right as to the hardware (though that hardware also allows you to surf the web, write, and do hundreds of computer stuff that only a, well, computer can do), but the real issue is THE PRICE OF THE SOFTWARE. Have you checked the price of "next-gen" console games these days? I buy about two games per month, and manage to get each for an average of 20$. The same games, at the same time, cost 60$ on a console. At the end of the year, those 500$ of hardware are a smarter spend.

Also keep in mind that the consoles might be attractively close to PC performance for a year or two, then they'll vanish in the distance as the PC evolves. If you're a demanding power-gamer as you seem to be, you'll cry your heart out a year from now if you renounce PC gaming and see how your console is stuck firmly in 2007.

I wouldn't drop your PC jsut yet that $600 PS3 can crank out 1080i HDTV. That is the equivalent of 1024 x760 resolution on the PC. Nowadays that is considered a lower resolution with resolutions havind a horizontal in the 2 and 3 thousands. The PC may cost 3 times as much but that is becuase it runs so much better.

You also want to consider the versatility of your PC. You surf the net play games type documents edit photos and video put music on your MP3 player. Out of that list your console can only do 2 of those things.

BirdofP

Nah.

"1080i, the former king of the HDTV hill, actually boasts an identical 1,920x1,080 resolution"

So yeah try that on your PC. You will need 8800 dual SLI to do that wich costs more than 1500 dollars. I allready have a PC for the internetDuuuuuuh...

You have a valid point here. Computers nowadays are VERY expensive. A decent gaming machine costs more than 2000 dollars. It's crazy really... With that kind of money you can buy a PS3, a 360, a Wii and a PC for internet and older games. I mean come on you get4 machines instead of one... It's a no-brainer. And with today's multiplatform madness you really wouldn't miss many games on the PC anyway.ParadoxOne11

My point is, with 800 dollars you won't get a machine that can handle let's say Crysis at max levels like a PS3 can easily or another machine that is atleast comparable with the graphics power of the PS3. You'll need lik 1400+ to do that...ParadoxOne11

It all depends on what kind of games you like, PC has a vide variety of games and even tho most big games these days are multiplatform, it's still difficult to get the best TBS or RTS games on a console, not to mention MMORPGs or simulators, and personally I can't stand playing most games(especially FPS) without a mouse.

But if you don't mind playing with a pad, and usually just get the big titles, console definately isn't a bad choise.

EntwineX

If I wanted to I could play the first ever DOS game in existance. Consoles can't do that. BirdofP

They claim to have backwards compatability but put a PS1 game in a PS2 or a PS2 game in a PS3 and tell me how compatable they areBirdofP

Very. I was just playing Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee on my PS2 a while ago. Plus all the PS1 Final Fantasys.

Not sure about the PS3, but the ones with emotion engine in it can play Ps2/Ps1 games.

[QUOTE="EntwineX"][QUOTE="ParadoxOne11"]Really? With 800 you get a graphics card for a high end machine and maybe some ram but that's about it...ParadoxOne11

Yeah I know. Even with 400 dollars you can buy a decent PC second-hand that can play some of todays games but I was talking about the high end stuff like an 8800 sli rig. You need 2000 for that...

IMO that's just overkill. You can play all modern games with much less than 4gb ram, quad core processor and 8800 sli. Yeah, you can pay $2,000+ for a top end gaming rig. But, do you need to? Nope.

The best advice I can give is to build your own and be a smart shopper. And try to use parts from your existing rig if you can instead of scrapping it and starting from scratch.

anyone have an opnion on this?demonik_360

My opinion is that you're trying to start a console vs PC argument in the forum. Trolling if you want the more technical term.

My point is, with 800 dollars you won't get a machine that can handle let's say Crysis at max levels like a PS3 can easily or another machine that is atleast comparable with the graphics power of the PS3. You'll need lik 1400+ to do that...ParadoxOne11

PS3 can handle Crysis at max settings?

[QUOTE="ParadoxOne11"]My point is, with 800 dollars you won't get a machine that can handle let's say Crysis at max levels like a PS3 can easily or another machine that is atleast comparable with the graphics power of the PS3. You'll need lik 1400+ to do that...-Unreal-

PS3 can handle Crysis at max settings?

NO!

[QUOTE="ParadoxOne11"]My point is, with 800 dollars you won't get a machine that can handle let's say Crysis at max levels like a PS3 can easily or another machine that is atleast comparable with the graphics power of the PS3. You'll need lik 1400+ to do that...EntwineX

Well at newegg you can get for e.g.

8800GTS 320Mb
650W PSU
Core2Duo E6550
Evga Mobo
2x1Gb DDR2 667Mhz Ram
250Gb HD
+ a cool case

For $820 and it should run Crysis decently on pretty high settings.

The thing doesn't even have 1 ghz. It has 667 MHZ

anyone have an opnion on this?demonik_360

Yeah I have an opinion. Consoles are not nearly (nor will they ever hope to be) close to PCs. Don't know where you're getting that. Consoles will die out, and the PC will always be there. That's how it's been for...ever?

[QUOTE="demonik_360"]There really isnt a reason to put a game on pc and not the systems(and vice versa) everyone is in it for money these days(excpet blizzard,valve etc.) and i was gonna get the Q6600 and the 8800GTS Nvidia graphics card but i relized i could buy a 360 and wii...but i dont want to turn into a console gamer, i love being a hermit(lol) but i feel im bein ripped off in a way with me paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade(no im not complaining about the cost just simply stating) i could buy a console with equel gaming capabilities...what are you thought on this? should i resort to droppin my pc gaming rig...(sorry if this belongs in a diffren forum i just want certain opnions :D)ParadoxOne11

You have a valid point here. Computers nowadays are VERY expensive. A decent gaming machine costs more than 2000 dollars. It's crazy really... With that kind of money you can buy a PS3, a 360, a Wii and a PC for internet and older games. I mean come on you get4 machines instead of one... It's a no-brainer. And with today's multiplatform madness you really wouldn't miss many games on the PC anyway.

That's avery good point, well said.

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]

[QUOTE="ParadoxOne11"]My point is, with 800 dollars you won't get a machine that can handle let's say Crysis at max levels like a PS3 can easily or another machine that is atleast comparable with the graphics power of the PS3. You'll need lik 1400+ to do that...bedram793

Well at newegg you can get for e.g.

8800GTS 320Mb
650W PSU
Core2Duo E6550
Evga Mobo
2x1Gb DDR2 667Mhz Ram
250Gb HD
+ a cool case

For $820 and it should run Crysis decently on pretty high settings.

The thing doesn't even have 1 ghz. It has 667 MHZ

lol, big deal? the speed really is not that critical.

oh and according to the devs, you can run crysis in ultra high settings with 2GB RAM, E6600 and a 8800GTS. so he should be fine.

[QUOTE="BirdofP"]

I wouldn't drop your PC jsut yet that $600 PS3 can crank out 1080i HDTV. That is the equivalent of 1024 x760 resolution on the PC. Nowadays that is considered a lower resolution with resolutions havind a horizontal in the 2 and 3 thousands. The PC may cost 3 times as much but that is becuase it runs so much better.

You also want to consider the versatility of your PC. You surf the net play games type documents edit photos and video put music on your MP3 player. Out of that list your console can only do 2 of those things.

ParadoxOne11

Nah.

"1080i, the former king of the HDTV hill, actually boasts an identical 1,920x1,080 resolution"

So yeah try that on your PC. You will need 8800 dual SLI to do that wich costs more than 1500 dollars. I allready have a PC for the internetDuuuuuuh...

EntwineX is completely right. That $800 dollar machine he posted in the first page will play anything today on maximum settings and run Crysis without a hitch. Core 2 Duo's are immensley powerful and god knows what AMD has set next to compete with them. And $2k PC is either 1. Overkill or 2. Your getting ripped off.

Is it me, or are the console morons are good at throwing random numbers out of their **** (mouth)? I built a gaming pc, that is highly overclockable, plays every game at top notch, and comes with a nice big LCD monitor to play games at high resolution. It cost me 1K Canadian (for a friend).

Specs:

Intel E6550

2x1gig PC6400 Patriot Extreme Memory

Asus P5K P35 motherboard

EVGA 8800gts 640mb edition

Acer 22' LCD HDMI PC monitor

Chaintech AV-710 audio card (not best, but good enough for analog, and the fact that it takes off stress off the CPU).

Antec Sanata 3 w/ Antec 500w Earthwatt PSU

Pioneer Dual layer DVD burner.

Got all the parts on sale, and free shipping. Great system, my friend is having tons of fun. As he sold his Xbox 360 cause he did not even need it anymore, as he agreed it could not performe as well as this.

You need to understand, that the consoles are stuck at a constant 30fps for tv wise (that is why it looks like poop on monitors usually) and they are only capable of running decently with today's games. I noticed with playing both consoles, side by side (my uncle, whom is a nerd) and I noticed that games such as "the Darkness" and Gears of war, would dip below 30fps when things get heavy. That is not a good sign, it shows that we already reached the consoles limit, unlike the Xbox, which took a while, till Halo 2 to come out, to really show the xbox's potential.

Also, PC's will allow you to adjust it to your liking, so that means high AA and AF, high resolution, and awsome graphics. You can also make things look better, outside of the game, with modified drivers and such. Also, you can modify the hardware yourself, like I did when I volt modded my 7900gs xt.

If you want a good gaming PC, without paying much, just build it yourself, or have places like Newegg or NCIX build it for you, and usually they charge only 25 bucks for it too.

[QUOTE="ParadoxOne11"]You have a valid point here. Computers nowadays are VERY expensive. A decent gaming machine costs more than 2000 dollars. It's crazy really... With that kind of money you can buy a PS3, a 360, a Wii and a PC for internet and older games. I mean come on you get4 machines instead of one... It's a no-brainer. And with today's multiplatform madness you really wouldn't miss many games on the PC anyway.Wheelman56

lol

I need a computer for work.

I can't afford to buy a console.

My work computer can run games just fine.

Why should I get a PS3/X360?

[QUOTE="ParadoxOne11"][QUOTE="BirdofP"]

I wouldn't drop your PC jsut yet that $600 PS3 can crank out 1080i HDTV. That is the equivalent of 1024 x760 resolution on the PC. Nowadays that is considered a lower resolution with resolutions havind a horizontal in the 2 and 3 thousands. The PC may cost 3 times as much but that is becuase it runs so much better.

You also want to consider the versatility of your PC. You surf the net play games type documents edit photos and video put music on your MP3 player. Out of that list your console can only do 2 of those things.

greatmax1

Nah.

"1080i, the former king of the HDTV hill, actually boasts an identical 1,920x1,080 resolution"

So yeah try that on your PC. You will need 8800 dual SLI to do that wich costs more than 1500 dollars. I allready have a PC for the internetDuuuuuuh...

To the topic creator, I'm going to do you a favor.

I'm going to ask that you forget all the PC vs Console crap you heard in this thread.

Forget the comments written by people that understand what Dual core 933 GhZ pixel shading pipeline in SLIGF mode overclocked means but are incapable of giving a response that doesn't reek of bias.

Do what you think is best for you... if you're tired of the patches, the downloads, the crashes, the upgrades and maybe you want to diversify into platformers, and playing 3rd person shooters while sitting on your couch with 4 of your friends then do it.

and after that if you're tired of paying $60 for 10 hour games that don't look as good as what's out on pc, you miss the mouse and keyboard and you're longing for an RTS and some modable FPS's... then feel free to come back to playing PC games.

in the end, you're the only one that knows what makes you happy and you have the power to ignore these PC fanboys

Hm... a system wars thread. A thread with people who want to have, and claim they have, the highest numbers as soon as possible for reasons unknown (even to them in some cases), probably to avoid building their own rig with much less expense when it is really needed. I can only see that as a new way of comparing their dicks.

As it has already been stated by some in this thread (and in many others) when a console is new, or almost new, it is pretty much as a computer in terms of "power".

On the other hand, PC gaming is as expensive as you want it to be, for example, I haven't made any major upgrades on my PC for 5 years. Cheap, and I have played any games I wanted to play when they were out. Sure, not always at max settings, but at least on medium. Speaking of hardware, patience can save you a lot of money.

lol

You guys are crazy. What a bunch of nerds. It's all about the games not the system you play them on. I owned anything from Ataris to PS2 and P4's. I was a SNES player but that didn't stop me to enjoy Golden Axe on the PC and then buy one. I don't know where this hate is coming from? I for one never really liked racing games. Then I played Grand Turismo and I loved it. I've allways said that I hate the Xbox for being too big and practically a computer just posing as a console but that didn't stopped me playin Forza Motorsport and enjoying it. But yeah there's one thing u can't do with a PC that you should do and can with a console. Just go out and buy a game from the store, then come home stick it in your system and play it. Oh no you have to wait, half an hour untill you installit and after you do that, IF it works,you still need the DVD. WHY? Oh and the fact you have to deal with Windows, the worst program ever invented. I hated this piece of buggy software from the start when i first tried it out on a 286. I was still using DOS and NC on my 486when the first pentium came out... The first thing I've noticed on Windows 95 was: So you have to push start to close the computer? Right...

[QUOTE="BirdofP"]

I wouldn't drop your PC jsut yet that $600 PS3 can crank out 1080i HDTV. That is the equivalent of 1024 x760 resolution on the PC. Nowadays that is considered a lower resolution with resolutions havind a horizontal in the 2 and 3 thousands. The PC may cost 3 times as much but that is becuase it runs so much better.

You also want to consider the versatility of your PC. You surf the net play games type documents edit photos and video put music on your MP3 player. Out of that list your console can only do 2 of those things.

ParadoxOne11

Nah.

"1080i, the former king of the HDTV hill, actually boasts an identical 1,920x1,080 resolution"

So yeah try that on your PC. You will need 8800 dual SLI to do that wich costs more than 1500 dollars. I allready have a PC for the internetDuuuuuuh...

I run almost those resolutions on my 2 year old 6800GS, I dont think you know what youre talking about.

However, I will be updating for Crysis and such this summer.

Read this blog: PC Gaming Wont Die

At the end of the day, if you can afford both, get both. Some games are better on PC, some games are better on console. Other times you wont have a choice, the game might be exclusive to a platform, so you get the best of both worlds.

I want the best gaming experience possible. Right now consoles and PCs are fairly evenly matched, in 3 years that won't be the case, the 360 and PS3 will still be using the same hardware while I'm sitting behind a 10800GTX , Quad Core, and 8GB of RAM. If you can afford it, go for PC as an ethusiast. If you can't or don't want to stick to a console and just do a single upgrade every 5 years.

Isn't Crysis PC only, since the consoles can't handle it?

... Consoles are in no way becoming close to PCs.. They have yeas upon years to go.. Consoles do not have user made mod communities, customizability in both software, and hardware... The ability to play games over a decade old, being capable of doing things OTHER then play games.. Lets not forget a person who is smart and researchs can outperform any console out there for under $1000 easy..

I find the entire conclusion to your premise as very flimsy because pc is far more complicated.