nvidia new card is a oven !!!

I hope you have good airflow in your case lol and this is only the gtx 470 !!!

I hope you have good airflow in your case lol and this is only the gtx 470 !!!

ChiChiMonKilla

That thing in your sig made me laugh so hard I almost cried. That's so effing funny..

no exact temps yet so i will wait

"it will generate quite some heat, but with the help of Nvidia's new fan, temperature should be within the normal range."

No need for a new case,Nvidia's new fan will take care of all the heat:)

I don't care if lava pours out of it, most likely, that's my next card.

ATI fanboys are really going to be owned with the GTX4xx series :lol:GazaAli

ATI fanboys are really going to be owned with the GTX4xx series :lol:GazaAli

I'm not an ATI fanboy since I switch back in forth between Intel/AMD and Nvidia/ATI depending on who has the best product for me at the time I want to upgrade.. but I really don't think what you said is true. While I do think the new Geforce cards are going to be good performers, they're not going to be a good value for the cost. Plus my house already has it's own heating system, I don't need to run one out of my computer case.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]ATI fanboys are really going to be owned with the GTX4xx series :lol:Iantheone

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

I hope you have good airflow in your case lol and this is only the gtx 470 !!!

hartsickdiscipl

That thing in your sig made me laugh so hard I almost cried. That's so effing funny..

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]ATI fanboys are really going to be owned with the GTX4xx series :lol:04dcarraher

In Tech world, 6months is a long time to crank a few more sales over the competition along with better PR/shareholding bs.

Nice card, talking about smores in doors.

@TC,btw I love your sig.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]ATI fanboys are really going to be owned with the GTX4xx series :lol:Iantheone

I would say that. I would say that ATI has been behind for a while now. I'm an ATI user as well, and I would love to take advantage of the things like PhysX, and 3dVision.. and now DX11 too. So it looks like Nvidia is ahead and will be until ATI has something other than Eyefinity(which is pointless) to offer.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]ATI fanboys are really going to be owned with the GTX4xx series :lol:Iantheone

From the benches I have seen nvidia has a 5% lead over ati, if you over clock your ati 5 card then it will be even. Add to the fact that I am sure nvidia will charge more plus the standard new card mark up and the value go way down. You also have the power and heat to deal with.

IMO I will stick with my 5870 as it cost less overclocks ok, uses less power, runs much cooler and ati will have new cards coming soon. Now if nvidia can get the price down to the same level as the 5 series then I might be able to ignore the added power and heat if I was going to upgrade.

From the benches I have seen nvidia has a 5% lead over ati, if you over clock your ati 5 card then it will be even. Add to the fact that I am sure nvidia will charge more plus the standard new card mark up and the value go way down. You also have the power and heat to deal with.

IMO I will stick with my 5870 as it cost less overclocks ok, uses less power, runs much cooler and ati will have new cards coming soon. Now if nvidia can get the price down to the same level as the 5 series then I might be able to ignore the added power and heat if I was going to upgrade.

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

From the benches I have seen nvidia has a 5% lead over ati, if you over clock your ati 5 card then it will be even. Add to the fact that I am sure nvidia will charge more plus the standard new card mark up and the value go way down. You also have the power and heat to deal with.

IMO I will stick with my 5870 as it cost less overclocks ok, uses less power, runs much cooler and ati will have new cards coming soon. Now if nvidia can get the price down to the same level as the 5 series then I might be able to ignore the added power and heat if I was going to upgrade.

04dcarraher

Outside of tesselation the 5870 and gtx 480 are almost even in benches.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

From the benches I have seen nvidia has a 5% lead over ati, if you over clock your ati 5 card then it will be even. Add to the fact that I am sure nvidia will charge more plus the standard new card mark up and the value go way down. You also have the power and heat to deal with.

IMO I will stick with my 5870 as it cost less overclocks ok, uses less power, runs much cooler and ati will have new cards coming soon. Now if nvidia can get the price down to the same level as the 5 series then I might be able to ignore the added power and heat if I was going to upgrade.

Outside of tesselation the 5870 and gtx 480 are almost even in benches.

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Wrong, the 5870 is only close to the 480 *if* running Dx 9/10, and Dx 11 without tesselation and a few other options. With tesselation on the 5870 takes a nose dive in performance, The 5870 isnt a "true" Dx 11 card, its just a beefed up 4800 series. People who have 5000's series will have to upgrade before people using GTX 470/480 to use Dx 11 fully with acceptable performance.04dcarraher

Outside of tesselation the 5870 and gtx 480 are almost even in benches.

You can't take an unoptimized benchmark to be the ultimate indicator of whether or not a card is ready for DX11 primetime. In the DX11 games that are actually out on the market so far, the 5870 performs like a champ. That's a better indicator.. I hate these 5870/GTX 280 comparisons.. The 5870 should be compared to the GTX 470.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

From the benches I have seen nvidia has a 5% lead over ati, if you over clock your ati 5 card then it will be even. Add to the fact that I am sure nvidia will charge more plus the standard new card mark up and the value go way down. You also have the power and heat to deal with.

IMO I will stick with my 5870 as it cost less overclocks ok, uses less power, runs much cooler and ati will have new cards coming soon. Now if nvidia can get the price down to the same level as the 5 series then I might be able to ignore the added power and heat if I was going to upgrade.

ChiChiMonKilla

Outside of tesselation the 5870 and gtx 480 are almost even in benches.

Do we have ANY other benchmark or game test to test the tesselation performance of these cards, other than the Unigine benchmark? I don't think that benchmark gives us a realistic idea of how the cards will perform in real games.

Do we have ANY other benchmark or game test to test the tesselation performance of these cards, other than the Unigine benchmark? I don't think that benchmark gives us a realistic idea of how the cards will perform in real games.

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Do we have ANY other benchmark or game test to test the tesselation performance of these cards, other than the Unigine benchmark? I don't think that benchmark gives us a realistic idea of how the cards will perform in real games.

04dcarraher

At what resolution and AA/AF settings are their framerates getting down into the teens?

If i remember correctly ATI cards have always been hotter than Nvidia.. so im not worried

If i remember correctly ATI cards have always been hotter than Nvidia.. so im not worried

DJ8WORK

That's not true anymore. Hasn't been for awhile. The 5850 and 5870 run really cool compared to most High-end Nvidia cards.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Do we have ANY other benchmark or game test to test the tesselation performance of these cards, other than the Unigine benchmark? I don't think that benchmark gives us a realistic idea of how the cards will perform in real games.

04dcarraher

Who cares, anything above a 4850/GTX260 seems like a waste of money. I would go as far and say that a 8800GT is all you need. I don't see why people piss money down the drain, but I guess its the same reason people buy high performance cars to go grocery shopping. SinfulPotato

well i disagree, yes my 4850's are the best thing i have atm but for a resolution @1680x1050 but i do want a higher end card and a bigger monitor, at least to me it's not a waste of money for two reasons 1 being able to play at a higher resolution and 2 able to have good frame rates at that res. But everyone has there own opinions on things :)

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Do we have ANY other benchmark or game test to test the tesselation performance of these cards, other than the Unigine benchmark? I don't think that benchmark gives us a realistic idea of how the cards will perform in real games.

ChiChiMonKilla

Thank you for confirming what I already suspected wasn't completely true. I've been thinking about getting this game, so this makes me feel better.

With enemies on screen tesselation does a chunk of the performance. Current rig- E8600@4ghz, Radeon 5870@stock. Using 10.3a drivers. Resolution: 5760x1080 Settings: DX11, High, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 19 (this is the avg fps when there are a number of enemies, npcs and a lot of gunfire occuring with a lot of lighting effects etc) High FPS: 35 (exploring around tunnels, not much action happening Settings: DX11, Normal, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 35 High FPS: 8004dcarraher

Did you notice the resolution he's running? Eyefinity.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]With enemies on screen tesselation does a chunk of the performance. Current rig- E8600@4ghz, Radeon 5870@stock. Using 10.3a drivers. Resolution: 5760x1080 Settings: DX11, High, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 19 (this is the avg fps when there are a number of enemies, npcs and a lot of gunfire occuring with a lot of lighting effects etc) High FPS: 35 (exploring around tunnels, not much action happening Settings: DX11, Normal, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 35 High FPS: 80hartsickdiscipl

Did you notice the resolution he's running? Eyefinity.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]With enemies on screen tesselation does a chunk of the performance. Current rig- E8600@4ghz, Radeon 5870@stock. Using 10.3a drivers. Resolution: 5760x1080 Settings: DX11, High, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 19 (this is the avg fps when there are a number of enemies, npcs and a lot of gunfire occuring with a lot of lighting effects etc) High FPS: 35 (exploring around tunnels, not much action happening Settings: DX11, Normal, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 35 High FPS: 80ChiChiMonKilla

Did you notice the resolution he's running? Eyefinity.

That's exactly what's going on. You can't render that many pixels and not expect to take a big performance hit. This is far beyond what 90% of 5870 users will be doing with their cards.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]With enemies on screen tesselation does a chunk of the performance. Current rig- E8600@4ghz, Radeon 5870@stock. Using 10.3a drivers. Resolution: 5760x1080 Settings: DX11, High, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 19 (this is the avg fps when there are a number of enemies, npcs and a lot of gunfire occuring with a lot of lighting effects etc) High FPS: 35 (exploring around tunnels, not much action happening Settings: DX11, Normal, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 35 High FPS: 80hartsickdiscipl

Did you notice the resolution he's running? Eyefinity.

"To all 5870 owners, turn it off when running DX11. My framerates went from the 30s and now range from 45 to 70fps when I turned it off on "Normal." It was hovering in the low to mid 30s most often prior to turning that DX11 option off. I monitored using the latest Fraps version compatible with DX11. By the way, I'm running a Core i7-920@2.66GHz, 6GB of ram with a Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB harddrive. I going to play some more and see if it holds up when the action starts. *It plays very well now in DX11 mode. It ranges now from the high 40s to high 70s in fps." Thanks for the response xMrAx. I may turn off tessellation as well. I wonder how big of an effect it has on visual quality...if any?"

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]With enemies on screen tesselation does a chunk of the performance. Current rig- E8600@4ghz, Radeon 5870@stock. Using 10.3a drivers. Resolution: 5760x1080 Settings: DX11, High, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 19 (this is the avg fps when there are a number of enemies, npcs and a lot of gunfire occuring with a lot of lighting effects etc) High FPS: 35 (exploring around tunnels, not much action happening Settings: DX11, Normal, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 35 High FPS: 8004dcarraher

Did you notice the resolution he's running? Eyefinity.

"To all 5870 owners, turn it off when running DX11. My framerates went from the 30s and now range from 45 to 70fps when I turned it off on "Normal." It was hovering in the low to mid 30s most often prior to turning that DX11 option off. I monitored using the latest Fraps version compatible with DX11. By the way, I'm running a Core i7-920@2.66GHz, 6GB of ram with a Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB harddrive. I going to play some more and see if it holds up when the action starts. *It plays very well now in DX11 mode. It ranges now from the high 40s to high 70s in fps." Thanks for the response xMrAx. I may turn off tessellation as well. I wonder how big of an effect it has on visual quality...if any?"

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]With enemies on screen tesselation does a chunk of the performance. Current rig- E8600@4ghz, Radeon 5870@stock. Using 10.3a drivers. Resolution: 5760x1080 Settings: DX11, High, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 19 (this is the avg fps when there are a number of enemies, npcs and a lot of gunfire occuring with a lot of lighting effects etc) High FPS: 35 (exploring around tunnels, not much action happening Settings: DX11, Normal, Tesselation/Depth of field Off, AAA, 16xAF Low FPS: 35 High FPS: 8004dcarraher

Did you notice the resolution he's running? Eyefinity.

"To all 5870 owners, turn it off when running DX11. My framerates went from the 30s and now range from 45 to 70fps when I turned it off on "Normal." It was hovering in the low to mid 30s most often prior to turning that DX11 option off. I monitored using the latest Fraps version compatible with DX11. By the way, I'm running a Core i7-920@2.66GHz, 6GB of ram with a Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB harddrive. I going to play some more and see if it holds up when the action starts. *It plays very well now in DX11 mode. It ranges now from the high 40s to high 70s in fps." Thanks for the response xMrAx. I may turn off tessellation as well. I wonder how big of an effect it has on visual quality...if any?"

I'll get the game myself and post my results. If tessellation isn't giving these people a noticeable visual improvement, how is better tessellation performance a big selling point for the new Nvidia cards anyways? Not to mention that the last quote didn't even say what resolution, AA, or AF settings he was running at.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Did you notice the resolution he's running? Eyefinity.

"To all 5870 owners, turn it off when running DX11. My framerates went from the 30s and now range from 45 to 70fps when I turned it off on "Normal." It was hovering in the low to mid 30s most often prior to turning that DX11 option off. I monitored using the latest Fraps version compatible with DX11. By the way, I'm running a Core i7-920@2.66GHz, 6GB of ram with a Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB harddrive. I going to play some more and see if it holds up when the action starts. *It plays very well now in DX11 mode. It ranges now from the high 40s to high 70s in fps." Thanks for the response xMrAx. I may turn off tessellation as well. I wonder how big of an effect it has on visual quality...if any?"

I'll get the game myself and post my results. If tessellation isn't giving these people a noticeable visual improvement, how is better tessellation performance a big selling point for the new Nvidia cards anyways? Not to mention that the last quote didn't even say what resolution, AA, or AF settings he was running at.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] No I didnt see that resolution :P, but there are others

"To all 5870 owners, turn it off when running DX11. My framerates went from the 30s and now range from 45 to 70fps when I turned it off on "Normal." It was hovering in the low to mid 30s most often prior to turning that DX11 option off. I monitored using the latest Fraps version compatible with DX11. By the way, I'm running a Core i7-920@2.66GHz, 6GB of ram with a Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB harddrive. I going to play some more and see if it holds up when the action starts. *It plays very well now in DX11 mode. It ranges now from the high 40s to high 70s in fps." Thanks for the response xMrAx. I may turn off tessellation as well. I wonder how big of an effect it has on visual quality...if any?"

04dcarraher

I'll get the game myself and post my results. If tessellation isn't giving these people a noticeable visual improvement, how is better tessellation performance a big selling point for the new Nvidia cards anyways? Not to mention that the last quote didn't even say what resolution, AA, or AF settings he was running at.

You may be right but all the dx11 games out and those coming out this year won't tax my 5870. Next year I will upgrade to whatever ATI puts out if a game won't run fast on my 5870. I have no doubt it will be faster than the gtx 480 as it will be a gen ahead. I am kinda happy I didnt get the hd 5970 as it was too much gpu for the games I am playing in 2010. My current rig is pretty fast for not a lot of cash.

I have a 5870 and I really wish I had waited for the Gtx 470.

58xx - Eyefinity, sexy look

Gtx 4xx - Physx, 3D Vision, better drivers and software

I just hope the 5870 edges the Gtx 470 in every bench so I dont regret buying a 5870 lol.

I have a 5870 and I really wish I had waited for the Gtx 470.

58xx - Eyefinity, sexy look

Gtx 4xx - Physx, 3D Vision, better drivers and software

I just hope the 5870 edges the Gtx 470 in every bench so I dont regret buying a 5870 lol.

erglesmergle

Im not surprised. My gtx 285 is already an oven, cracking 80 degrees Celsius in games like crysis. Im guessing these will be the same.

ATI fanboys are really going to be owned with the GTX4xx series :lol:GazaAli

Dont forget CUDA,,,,when CUDA is in use it ****'ing rocks!Daytona_178

Stream is ATI's equivalent to CUDA. There were glitches early on. But, it looks like they've been ironed out.

Do we have ANY other benchmark or game test to test the tesselation performance of these cards, other than the Unigine benchmark? I don't think that benchmark gives us a realistic idea of how the cards will perform in real games.

hartsickdiscipl

I hope you have good airflow in your case lol and this is only the gtx 470 !!!

ChiChiMonKilla

"it will generate quite some heat, but with the help of Nvidia's new fan, temperature should be within the normal range."

No need for a new case,Nvidia's new fan will take care of all the heat:)

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="DJ8WORK"]

If i remember correctly ATI cards have always been hotter than Nvidia.. so im not worried

hartsickdiscipl

That's not true anymore. Hasn't been for awhile. The 5850 and 5870 run really cool compared to most High-end Nvidia cards.

I'm a big evga fan so before you newbs troll me just stop. NVIDIA has nothing to offer as far as budget cards after the GTS 250 while ATI on the other has a wide variety of cards to offer ranging from multiple series with many cards in each. Most of them aren't simply rebrands and from what I see the 4 series will most likely have same performance as 58xx-59xx and ATI is already ahead of the game. I have no intention to upgrade anytime soon because my 4890 is handling everything just fine.

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"] Dont forget CUDA,,,,when CUDA is in use it ****'ing rocks!jun_aka_pekto

Stream is ATI's equivalent to CUDA. There were glitches early on. But, it looks like they've been ironed out.