Fallout 3 baby

[QUOTE="Alaris83"][QUOTE="Soldi3r1stClass"]

360 = £200.... Alienware monster rig = £2500... quality difference... marginal... gameplay= THE SAME

Soldi3r1stClass

Get a clue, buddy. The difference is in the complexity of gameplay when compared to previous games in the series. Play Daggerfall or Morrowind, then play Oblivion and tell me Oblivion isn't dumbed down.

Okay genius explain to me how that disproves my point about price and enjoyment? We're talking about the sky and youre describing your feet to me. Plus how is oblivion dumbed down? The combat was more complex, the world ten times bigger, physics based traps... whereas morrowing was a slapfest where even if you could SEE the sword connect it didnt coz the stupid STATISTICS said it couldnt... coff coff

Morrowind had more dialog, more quests, more items, more weapons, more skills, more spells, more factions, a bigger variety of buildings, more enemies, more freedom (since there are no invulnerable NPCs), and a longer main storyline.

And in return we get a better combat system thats still inferior to something like Dark Messiah's, and about 25% more land.

Okay genius explain to me how that disproves my point about price and enjoyment? We're talking about the sky and youre describing your feet to me. Plus how is oblivion dumbed down? The combat was more complex, the world ten times bigger, physics based traps... whereas morrowing was a slapfest where even if you could SEE the sword connect it didnt coz the stupid STATISTICS said it couldnt... coff coff

Soldi3r1stClass

The big red quest compass to ensure you never have to think too hard about where to go, maybe? How about the removal and/or streamlining of skills and items? There's always the awesome and total deep dialogue trees that amount to "Grey Fox." Level scaled monsters and items EVERYWHERE that defeat the purpose of leveling up and removes character progression from the game. A lack of any real choice in the game. All these things and more add up to one shallow and ultimately dissappointing gameplay experience.

You talk of Oblivion being ten times bigger than Morrowind. Well that's nice, too bad the game world of Daggerfall is roughly 6000 times bigger than that of Oblivion. Also, your derision of "stupid STATISTICS" pretty much show that you don't have any grasp of what an RPG is. It's no wonder you enjoyed Oblivion so much, that game was hand made for you.

[QUOTE="Soldi3r1stClass"]

Okay genius explain to me how that disproves my point about price and enjoyment? We're talking about the sky and youre describing your feet to me. Plus how is oblivion dumbed down? The combat was more complex, the world ten times bigger, physics based traps... whereas morrowing was a slapfest where even if you could SEE the sword connect it didnt coz the stupid STATISTICS said it couldnt... coff coff

Alaris83

The big red quest compass to ensure you never have to think too hard about where to go, maybe? How about the removal and/or streamlining of skills and items? There's always the awesome and total deep dialogue trees that amount to "Grey Fox." Level scaled monsters and items EVERYWHERE that defeat the purpose of leveling up and removes character progression from the game. A lack of any real choice in the game. All these things and more add up to one shallow and ultimately dissappointing gameplay experience.

You talk of Oblivion being ten times bigger than Morrowind. Well that's nice, too bad the game world of Daggerfall is roughly 6000 times bigger than that of Oblivion. Also, your derision of "stupid STATISTICS" pretty much show that you don't have any grasp of what an RPG is. It's no wonder you enjoyed Oblivion so much, that game was hand made for you.

Ah, finally a real tounge lashing. Points all well argued and true geekness beaming. Thank you. *puts a cotton ball in his bloodied nose and walks off into the sunset... stops... turns

Now give me some more of that for fallout 3. Dyu think itll be any good?

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]Because it's Bethesda, you know it's going to be a real time First person RPG like Oblivion......onemic

I would be totally up for that if they just made the RPG elements more in-depth, i.e. leveling system specifically.

It would still ruin the game no matter what. By changing the game to first person they're changing the genre of which it falls under, which doesn't really make it a true sequel to the game.

Anyway bethsoft hasn't announced anything about the game AT ALL. These people t hat are saying that bethsoft has already announced that the game will be played in first person are completely talking out of their asses.

"Can we expect something similar to the work done on Morrowind, in terms of that ****of game experience?
Pete Hines: Again, it's early to say, but it wouldn't be a leap of faith to say that we plan to use technologies in development otherwise. You could make some fairly safe leaps of faith that it would be similar in ****u>. We're not going to go away from what it is that we do best. We're not going to suddenly do a top-down isometric Baldur's Gate-****game, because that's not what we do well.
(clarification of the above) Sure, that was a phone interview and he slightly misquoted me. What I said was, "I don't know if we'd suddenly... "

Still the underlined part makes it seem like it has a chance to be in its original form.

And I never said that it will be a FPS I said that it is a possibility.

Fair enough, but from your post you made it seem like they officially announced that it would be first person, which isn't true.

No matter what, if the game's in first person then they have pretty much destroyed the franchise. You can't completely change the genre of a game and expect it to still be a sequel or even worthy of the name of the existing series. Hopefully bethesda isn't dumb enough to actually look past that.

[QUOTE="Alaris83"]I can't decide which is worse, this or that Shadowrun fiasco.Mithrandir0x

Of course, Shadowrun my friend... Shadowrun... WHY THE HELL DID THEY TURN A RPG GAME INTO A FPS WITHOUT ANY SENSE OF WHAT SHADOWRUN REALLY WAS?!?!? GODS!! YOU'VE CURSED US, THEN I CURSE YOU WITH MY SHEER MADNESS FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!

I really hope that when Fallout 3 is released you can't replace the word Shadowrun in that sentence with Fallout :(

first its fallout 3... FALLOUT.... THREEE.... second its by bethesda so its gonna be good... thirdly whats the hatred on consoles for. Ten time cheaper- same quality... xcept for really really anal people

360 = £200.... Alienware monster rig = £2500... quality difference... marginal... gameplay= THE SAMESoldi3r1stClass

:D :D :D

You should do stand-up comedy. Is fanboy vision really that powerful?

[QUOTE="Mithrandir0x"] [QUOTE="Alaris83"]I can't decide which is worse, this or that Shadowrun fiasco.Avenger1324

Of course, Shadowrun my friend... Shadowrun... WHY THE HELL DID THEY TURN A RPG GAME INTO A FPS WITHOUT ANY SENSE OF WHAT SHADOWRUN REALLY WAS?!?!? GODS!! YOU'VE CURSED US, THEN I CURSE YOU WITH MY SHEER MADNESS FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!

You should ask that to many of the members of this forum.

It's too soon to speculate on anything. How about you all sit back and relax. 

5 days...just FIVE more days!

*cleans up flamethrower* 

http://fallout.bethsoft.com/index4.html

Cmon! I hope this is a multi platform release. We'll know in six days eh (today 30/5/07)

Soldi3r1stClass

no, no, no. there's no need for fallout to come out on other platforms. fallout is clearly an rpg for the computer. if it starts to look like oblivion and play like oblivion, then it should come out on other platforms; of course, i wouldn't then buy the damn thing.

My lord people. We're talking about games here. Chill. If you have fun playing a game, play it. If you don't, stop. It's that simple. I myself am a PC-console hybrid gamer and am among the pantheon of the intelligent. I play oblivion. I've played morrowind. They're both very nice. Can't we all just get along?

And, adressing all those who fear Fallout 3 being like oblivion. Well they're always'll be more games. So stop whining. Please.

[QUOTE="Soldi3r1stClass"]

Okay genius explain to me how that disproves my point about price and enjoyment? We're talking about the sky and youre describing your feet to me. Plus how is oblivion dumbed down? The combat was more complex, the world ten times bigger, physics based traps... whereas morrowing was a slapfest where even if you could SEE the sword connect it didnt coz the stupid STATISTICS said it couldnt... coff coff

Alaris83

The big red quest compass to ensure you never have to think too hard about where to go, maybe? How about the removal and/or streamlining of skills and items? There's always the awesome and total deep dialogue trees that amount to "Grey Fox." Level scaled monsters and items EVERYWHERE that defeat the purpose of leveling up and removes character progression from the game. A lack of any real choice in the game. All these things and more add up to one shallow and ultimately dissappointing gameplay experience.

You talk of Oblivion being ten times bigger than Morrowind. Well that's nice, too bad the game world of Daggerfall is roughly 6000 times bigger than that of Oblivion. Also, your derision of "stupid STATISTICS" pretty much show that you don't have any grasp of what an RPG is. It's no wonder you enjoyed Oblivion so much, that game was hand made for you.

oh snap! you beach-slapped him good. thank you.

My lord people. We're talking about games here. Chill. If you have fun playing a game, play it. If you don't, stop. It's that simple. I myself am a PC-console hybrid gamer and am among the pantheon of the intelligent. I play oblivion. I've played morrowind. They're both very nice. Can't we all just get along?

And, adressing all those who fear Fallout 3 being like oblivion. Well they're always'll be more games. So stop whining. Please.

cowseven

why are you even here in a game forum? what's the point of having a forum in which one can't whine or complain about something. if it's just about playing games, then go play your games and stop visiting the forums. i for one am sick of people whining about whining. sheesh. 

[QUOTE="cowseven"]

My lord people. We're talking about games here. Chill. If you have fun playing a game, play it. If you don't, stop. It's that simple. I myself am a PC-console hybrid gamer and am among the pantheon of the intelligent. I play oblivion. I've played morrowind. They're both very nice. Can't we all just get along?

And, adressing all those who fear Fallout 3 being like oblivion. Well they're always'll be more games. So stop whining. Please.

fireandcloud

why are you even here in a game forum? what's the point of having a forum in which one can't whine or complain about something. if it's just about playing games, then go play your games and stop visiting the forums. i for one am sick of people whining about whining. sheesh.

owned 

If they do go the first-person route, I hope they make it like Deus Ex with perks.  Keep the skill system like Deus Ex where you get points and then you have two dozen or so places to put points into (like in the original Fallout series, i.e. lockpicking, sneak, small firearms, energy weapons, melee, etc) and then every couple levels you get a perk.

I think that would make most people happy.  You'll have the purists saying "oh its not turn-based and its not an isometric view so its not Fallout" but I think it would be a good compromise.

Idunno, the way I rationalize is like this: we play RPGS for three things; story, NPC interaction, and to gain levels so we can advance to tougher environments.  If a developer wants to go real-time and first-person, thats cool....so long as they keep those key mechanic we enjoy so much in our RPGs.  Or am I totally off on this one.

If they do go the first-person route, I hope they make it like Deus Ex with perks. Keep the skill system like Deus Ex where you get points and then you have two dozen or so places to put points into (like in the original Fallout series, i.e. lockpicking, sneak, small firearms, energy weapons, melee, etc) and then every couple levels you get a perk.

I think that would make most people happy. You'll have the purists saying "oh its not turn-based and its not an isometric view so its not Fallout" but I think it would be a good compromise.

Idunno, the way I rationalize is like this: we play RPGS for three things; story, NPC interaction, and to gain levels so we can advance to tougher environments. If a developer wants to go real-time and first-person, thats cool....so long as they keep those key mechanic we enjoy so much in our RPGs. Or am I totally off on this one.

mrbojangles25

You're changing the original games genre, so no matter what it won't really be considered a real fallout sequel.

It's like if ubisoft made deus ex 3 a chess game(I know it's a little extreme :D), no matter how good it is, it'll never be considered a true part of the series.  

we play RPGS for three things; story, NPC interaction, and to gain levels so we can advance to tougher environments. mrbojangles25

What about depth? Fable has all these 3 things and it sucked as far as RPG is concerned. And then there is Oblivion. 

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

If they do go the first-person route, I hope they make it like Deus Ex with perks. Keep the skill system like Deus Ex where you get points and then you have two dozen or so places to put points into (like in the original Fallout series, i.e. lockpicking, sneak, small firearms, energy weapons, melee, etc) and then every couple levels you get a perk.

I think that would make most people happy. You'll have the purists saying "oh its not turn-based and its not an isometric view so its not Fallout" but I think it would be a good compromise.

Idunno, the way I rationalize is like this: we play RPGS for three things; story, NPC interaction, and to gain levels so we can advance to tougher environments. If a developer wants to go real-time and first-person, thats cool....so long as they keep those key mechanic we enjoy so much in our RPGs. Or am I totally off on this one.

onemic

You're changing the original games genre, so no matter what it won't really be considered a real fallout sequel.

It's like if ubisoft made deus ex 3 a chess game(I know it's a little extreme :D), no matter how good it is, it'll never be considered a true part of the series.  

Thats a very good point.  I would be pissed if they changed Deus Ex into a chess game or even an RTS game.

I gotta another quuestion, though.  Whats makes Fallout what it is...fallout?  Is it the content (post-apocolyptic setting with dark humor, mutants, and all that great stuff) or is it strictly the gameplay mechanics?

It's mostly the gameplay. There are so many things to do and many ways to do them.

Drugging children is awesome. 

Wtf is so special about fallout? I have replayed both games in the series the last couple years and was like what.s so great about this? What is the challenge you are talking about in these games? A couple days into playing and raising levels and getting some good gear in fallout 1,  I could simply point at a mobs eye and nearly everything would die in one hit. WOW thats exciting. Or how about put a few points into gambling go to the casino, and hold down a single key for 10 mins and have 20000 gold(caps). Does that sound exciting to you boys and girls? Sure it had good atmosphere and some cool things you could do but lets face it it would cool cause at the time there was allmost nothing like it. People need to stop being so nostalgic. The graphics, sound.. allmost everything but the cool factor of the world was horrid and you know it.

By the way Morrowind  was better then Oblivion? LMFAO. Dl  the right mods and its not even in the same universe.

I love how people complain about MW being item leveled and so forth then go and play MW for the 1000 time and do all the tricks at the start with gear and items to make the game EZ as anything. DOWNLOAD MODS for Oblivion and then you will begin to understand how amazing it is. Or go back to MW so you will feel *young* again.

The graphics, sound.. allmost everything but the cool factor of the world was horrid and you know it.

Vortec33

I know Fallout is horrid? Hah, it's you who know that Fallout is a great game that you didn't like. It's you who have to lie to yourself because your ego can't accept the truth that you misjudged one of the greatest games of all time.

Wtf is so special about fallout? I have replayed both games in the series the last couple years and was like what.s so great about this? What is the challenge you are talking about in these games? A couple days into playing and raising levels and getting some good gear in fallout 1,  I could simply point at a mobs eye and nearly everything would die in one hit. WOW thats exciting. Or how about put a few points into gambling go to the casino, and hold down a single key for 10 mins and have 20000 gold(caps). Does that sound exciting to you boys and girls? Sure it had good atmosphere and some cool things you could do but lets face it it would cool cause at the time there was allmost nothing like it. People need to stop being so nostalgic. The graphics, sound.. allmost everything but the cool factor of the world was horrid and you know it.

 

By the way Morrowind  was better then Oblivion? LMFAO. Dl  the right mods and its not even in the same universe.

I love how people complain about MW being item leveled and so forth then go and play MW for the 1000 time and do all the tricks at the start with gear and items to make the game EZ as anything. DOWNLOAD MODS for Oblivion and then you will begin to understand how amazing it is. Or go back to MW so you will feel *young* again.

Vortec33

Its called a legacy...or a pedigree...or whatever you want to call it.  Sure, by today's standards Fallout 1 and 2 are outdated and, to be honest, fairly boring.

But the whole point of us hoping they dont change the fundamental gameplay is to see that classic gameplay modernized into our current standards!  We want to be constantrly reminded of the best parts of the classic Fallout games while at the same time being exposed to a better game engine, better AI, better game mechanics, and maybe a new concept or two.

[QUOTE="Vortec33"]

The graphics, sound.. allmost everything but the cool factor of the world was horrid and you know it.

Erlkoenig

I know Fallout is horrid? Hah, it's you who know that Fallout is a great game that you didn't like. It's you who have to lie to yourself because your ego can't accept the truth that you misjudged one of the greatest games of all time.

Ahh yes, you must be talking about the incredible interations the game has, or the npcs that stand in one place waiting for you to talk to them, or that one armor slot for all your armor needs... simply outstanding. If i want simply a good story ill read a book. You can play fallout and imagine it all in your little head instead of having any thing actaully going on that is fun. Hope FO 3 is first person by the way..

[QUOTE="Erlkoenig"][QUOTE="Vortec33"]

The graphics, sound.. allmost everything but the cool factor of the world was horrid and you know it.

Vortec33

I know Fallout is horrid? Hah, it's you who know that Fallout is a great game that you didn't like. It's you who have to lie to yourself because your ego can't accept the truth that you misjudged one of the greatest games of all time.

Ahh yes, you must be talking about the incredible interations the game has, or the npcs that stand in one place waiting for you to talk to them, or that one armor slot for all your armor needs... simply outstanding. If i want simply a good story ill read a book. You can play fallout and imagine it all in your little head instead of having any thing actaully going on that is fun. Hope FO 3 is first person by the way..

Yeah, and if I want to explore everything in first person I'd step outside and meet the world, the greatest first person game ever. 

[QUOTE="Alaris83"][QUOTE="Soldi3r1stClass"]

360 = £200.... Alienware monster rig = £2500... quality difference... marginal... gameplay= THE SAME

Soldi3r1stClass

Get a clue, buddy. The difference is in the complexity of gameplay when compared to previous games in the series.  Play Daggerfall or Morrowind, then play Oblivion and tell me Oblivion isn't dumbed down. 

Okay genius explain to me how that disproves my point about price and enjoyment? We're talking about the sky and youre describing your feet to me. Plus how is oblivion dumbed down? The combat was more complex, the world ten times bigger, physics based traps... whereas morrowing was a slapfest where even if you could SEE the sword connect it didnt coz the stupid STATISTICS said it couldnt... coff coff

First of all i :lol:. Second you seem to compare the price of Xbox to the price of a overpriced rig, you can build a rig for £500!!Alienware is overprice pc for anal people who like cool looking case. So you price argument is worthless. Further more by the time Fallout 3 comes out(knowing oblivion they will take their time)PC will be/are more powerful than the 360

Thirdly, i will be here all day explaining to you how oblivion was dumb down..i will give you a few observations

1)jack of all trades-If you are master of blade, that means you can easily use dagger as well a two handed sword. How does that make sense

2)There is no point choosing what class you are because in this game, you can level up to be fighter/thief/wizard/!!there is no restrictions at all

3)less weapons,less magic, less interesting quests,less dialogue

etc etc..i could be here all day

[QUOTE="Soldi3r1stClass"][QUOTE="Alaris83"][QUOTE="Soldi3r1stClass"]

360 = £200.... Alienware monster rig = £2500... quality difference... marginal... gameplay= THE SAME

d_agra

Get a clue, buddy. The difference is in the complexity of gameplay when compared to previous games in the series.  Play Daggerfall or Morrowind, then play Oblivion and tell me Oblivion isn't dumbed down. 

Okay genius explain to me how that disproves my point about price and enjoyment? We're talking about the sky and youre describing your feet to me. Plus how is oblivion dumbed down? The combat was more complex, the world ten times bigger, physics based traps... whereas morrowing was a slapfest where even if you could SEE the sword connect it didnt coz the stupid STATISTICS said it couldnt... coff coff

First of all i :lol:. Second you seem to compare the price of Xbox to the price of a overpriced rig, you can build a rig for £500!!Alienware is overprice pc for anal people who like cool looking case. So you price argument is worthless. Further more by the time Fallout 3 comes out(knowing oblivion they will take their time)PC will be/are more powerful than the 360

Thirdly, i will be here all day explaining to you how oblivion was dumb down..i will give you a few observations

1)jack of all trades-If you are master of blade, that means you can easily use dagger as well a two handed sword. How does that make sense

2)There is no point choosing what class you are because in this game, you can level up to be fighter/thief/wizard/!!there is no restrictions at all

3)less weapons,less magic, less interesting quests,less dialogue

etc etc..i could be here all day

[QUOTE="Soldi3r1stClass"][QUOTE="Alaris83"][QUOTE="Soldi3r1stClass"]

360 = £200.... Alienware monster rig = £2500... quality difference... marginal... gameplay= THE SAME

d_agra

Get a clue, buddy. The difference is in the complexity of gameplay when compared to previous games in the series.  Play Daggerfall or Morrowind, then play Oblivion and tell me Oblivion isn't dumbed down. 

Okay genius explain to me how that disproves my point about price and enjoyment? We're talking about the sky and youre describing your feet to me. Plus how is oblivion dumbed down? The combat was more complex, the world ten times bigger, physics based traps... whereas morrowing was a slapfest where even if you could SEE the sword connect it didnt coz the stupid STATISTICS said it couldnt... coff coff

First of all i :lol:. Second you seem to compare the price of Xbox to the price of a overpriced rig, you can build a rig for £500!!Alienware is overprice pc for anal people who like cool looking case. So you price argument is worthless. Further more by the time Fallout 3 comes out(knowing oblivion they will take their time)PC will be/are more powerful than the 360

Thirdly, i will be here all day explaining to you how oblivion was dumb down..i will give you a few observations

1)jack of all trades-If you are master of blade, that means you can easily use dagger as well a two handed sword. How does that make sense

2)There is no point choosing what class you are because in this game, you can level up to be fighter/thief/wizard/!!there is no restrictions at all

3)less weapons,less magic, less interesting quests,less dialogue

etc etc..i could be here all day

Yeah shame on me for enjoying my "dumbed" down console. A Pc can be £500 eh? Wow that totally defeats my argument. Yeah the xbox being £200 gets totally shot down by your brilliant deductions......... yeah. Also aww no restrictions on oblivion? That means i dont have to restart the game so i can be a different class? sweet! And jack of all trades? Learn by doing? Whereas clicking points into your skills makes sense. Let me see i want to get fit for my upcoming swimming tryouts. Do i do it by A swimming? Or b allocating the skills i picked up fixing my bike so that i can swim better?.............................................................. Even if it is dumbed down. It was still fun. It was still a good game. It was probably made like that to take the stress out of gaming for people with not so much time on their hands. People paying their way though law school who enjoy a half hour of gaming that doesnt involve learning a whole other trade so that he can build his own cool "rig". People who get interesting quests every day and complex dialogue trees with actual people. Soooooo you could be here all day eh? Good for you.

I don't think it works like that. You and the enemy don't take turn. You queue up a list of your moves, they have a list of their own. At each pulse, you and the enemy do the next move in the stack and wait for the next pulse. Each action cost the same, and there is no stat that determines the order in which characters act.

Erlkoenig

Ok, first of all, what do you mean there is no stat that determies the order in which the characters act, have you played the game?  In combat all of the characters on your team, attack at the same time (as long as they are attacking one character) then they stand there and take whatever the other dishes out.  Watch the game and see that have the time when you attack with a more powerful attack you will see a "miss" flash above your target's head, that was a saving throw, and an invisable dice roll.  The only  compromise to KotOR being completely and 100% turn based is that it doesn't wait for you to choose an action if it comes to your turn and you haven't chosen anything, it chooses a default basic attack.  All of this goes to the fact that this is a console game that has as much complexity as a PC RPG, just done in a way that only those people who know what they are doing can take advantage of the system. 

This thread went down hill rather quickly.cametall

Dont they all?

:?

Fallout 3 will be what Bethesda see to be the best way for them to make money. They are a corporate entity existing to make money after all. The majority of games purchased are purchased by the majority of people. Are those people smart like the majority of peeps on this forum. Um.....lets hope not :P Kidding!!! The majority of games are purchased by people who don't know much about games. So to think that Bethesda purchased the licence for this intellectual property for any other purpose then to make money would be silly. So I predict YES it will be an FPS. I also hope that it will retain the aspect of what made Fallout.....well Fallout. This has nothing to do with Turn Based or Isometric View or what ever. Look at the GTA line of games. Look at RTS's, even the graphical engine on those has come a long way and you can zoom in and jump around. Fallout needs to retain the Road Warrior post apocalyptic feel. The perks and humor and stat system and all that jazz...nice to have but may not survive. Will I buy it. Damn straight I will. Unless it is god awful. Which is won't be.

*puts his firemans hat on and waits for the flaming to start*

Fallout 3 will be what Bethesda see to be the best way for them to make money. They are a corporate entity existing to make money after all. The majority of games purchased are purchased by the majority of people. Are those people smart like the majority of peeps on this forum. Um.....lets hope not :P Kidding!!! The majority of games are purchased by people who don't know much about games. So to think that Bethesda purchased the licence for this intellectual property for any other purpose then to make money would be silly. So I predict YES it will be an FPS. I also hope that it will retain the aspect of what made Fallout.....well Fallout. This has nothing to do with Turn Based or Isometric View or what ever. Look at the GTA line of games. Look at RTS's, even the graphical engine on those has come a long way and you can zoom in and jump around. Fallout needs to retain the Road Warrior post apocalyptic feel. The perks and humor and stat system and all that jazz...nice to have but may not survive. Will I buy it. Damn straight I will. Unless it is god awful. Which is won't be.

*puts his firemans hat on and waits for the flaming to start*

jakyl996

Turning it into an FPS will automatically make it lose any aspect of what made fallout, fallout, no matter what.  

[QUOTE="jakyl996"]

Fallout 3 will be what Bethesda see to be the best way for them to make money. They are a corporate entity existing to make money after all. The majority of games purchased are purchased by the majority of people. Are those people smart like the majority of peeps on this forum. Um.....lets hope not :P Kidding!!! The majority of games are purchased by people who don't know much about games. So to think that Bethesda purchased the licence for this intellectual property for any other purpose then to make money would be silly. So I predict YES it will be an FPS. I also hope that it will retain the aspect of what made Fallout.....well Fallout. This has nothing to do with Turn Based or Isometric View or what ever. Look at the GTA line of games. Look at RTS's, even the graphical engine on those has come a long way and you can zoom in and jump around. Fallout needs to retain the Road Warrior post apocalyptic feel. The perks and humor and stat system and all that jazz...nice to have but may not survive. Will I buy it. Damn straight I will. Unless it is god awful. Which is won't be.

*puts his firemans hat on and waits for the flaming to start*

onemic

Turning it into an FPS will automatically make it lose any aspect of what made fallout, fallout, no matter what.  

In your eyes perhaps. Luckily for the rest of us your opinion is just that an opinion.

They are a corporate entity existing to make money after all. jakyl996

So? They make money, who are you kidding? There is the company that makes money, maybe a lot of it, and then there is the company that is overly greedy and place quality/integrity last.

Many companys/authors/studios DO respect the integrity of their products, and they get my support. Remember AvP the movie? Fox tried to cash in on the PG-13 crowd and pissed off the adult crowd. Look how successful AvP was.

[QUOTE="Erlkoenig"]

I don't think it works like that. You and the enemy don't take turn. You queue up a list of your moves, they have a list of their own. At each pulse, you and the enemy do the next move in the stack and wait for the next pulse. Each action cost the same, and there is no stat that determines the order in which characters act.

06m1r3m86

Ok, first of all, what do you mean there is no stat that determies the order in which the characters act, have you played the game? In combat all of the characters on your team, attack at the same time (as long as they are attacking one character) then they stand there and take whatever the other dishes out. Watch the game and see that have the time when you attack with a more powerful attack you will see a "miss" flash above your target's head, that was a saving throw, and an invisable dice roll. The only compromise to KotOR being completely and 100% turn based is that it doesn't wait for you to choose an action if it comes to your turn and you haven't chosen anything, it chooses a default basic attack. All of this goes to the fact that this is a console game that has as much complexity as a PC RPG, just done in a way that only those people who know what they are doing can take advantage of the system.

It appear that I was wrong.

Regardless, the KOTOR combat is what TB combat is about. I call it real time combat with a TB twist. 

[QUOTE="jakyl996"]They are a corporate entity existing to make money after all. Erlkoenig

So? They make money, who are you kidding? There is the company that makes money, maybe a lot of it, and then there is the company that is overly greedy and place quality/integrity last.

Many companys/authors/studios DO respect the integrity of their products, and they get my support. Remember AvP the movie? Fox tried to cash in on the PG-13 crowd and pissed off the adult crowd. Look how successful AvP was.

Do you feel that Bethesda is a gaming company that lacks integrity? I don't. There games may not be what I personally want them to be but they are pretty well crafted with vision and an eye for the majority of gamers. For the PC market to thrive, this is what devs must do. They must sell many copies of their games. They are not kidding any one. Oblivion was a well crafted game with a high level of modability. I never played it without moding so I am not sure how bad it was but the mod-ed up version was nice. I enjoyed it. It was not the sequel to Morrowind I had hoped for but still well crafted and a good game in it's own right.

btw....AvP the movie wasn't total garbage but just not great...IMHO

[QUOTE="Erlkoenig"]

I don't think it works like that. You and the enemy don't take turn. You queue up a list of your moves, they have a list of their own. At each pulse, you and the enemy do the next move in the stack and wait for the next pulse. Each action cost the same, and there is no stat that determines the order in which characters act.

06m1r3m86

Ok, first of all, what do you mean there is no stat that determies the order in which the characters act, have you played the game? In combat all of the characters on your team, attack at the same time (as long as they are attacking one character) then they stand there and take whatever the other dishes out. Watch the game and see that have the time when you attack with a more powerful attack you will see a "miss" flash above your target's head, that was a saving throw, and an invisable dice roll. The only compromise to KotOR being completely and 100% turn based is that it doesn't wait for you to choose an action if it comes to your turn and you haven't chosen anything, it chooses a default basic attack. All of this goes to the fact that this is a console game that has as much complexity as a PC RPG, just done in a way that only those people who know what they are doing can take advantage of the system.

It appears that I was wrong.

Regardless, the KOTOR combat isn't what TB combat is about. I call it real time combat with a TB twist.

[QUOTE="Erlkoenig"]

[QUOTE="jakyl996"]They are a corporate entity existing to make money after all. jakyl996

So? They make money, who are you kidding? There is the company that makes money, maybe a lot of it, and then there is the company that is overly greedy and place quality/integrity last.

Many companys/authors/studios DO respect the integrity of their products, and they get my support. Remember AvP the movie? Fox tried to cash in on the PG-13 crowd and pissed off the adult crowd. Look how successful AvP was.

Do you feel that Bethesda is a gaming company that lacks integrity? I don't. There games may not be what I personally want them to be but they are pretty well crafted with vision and an eye for the majority of gamers. For the PC market to thrive, this is what devs must do. They must sell many copies of their games. They are not kidding any one. Oblivion was a well crafted game with a high level of modability. I never played it without moding so I am not sure how bad it was but the mod-ed up version was nice. I enjoyed it. It was not the sequel to Morrowind I had hoped for but still well crafted and a good game in it's own right.

btw....AvP the movie wasn't total garbage but just not great...IMHO

I personally don't give a damn about their previous franchise. I only care about FO3. If they make FO3 "Oblivion with guns" then they have a severe lack of integrity, yeah, in my eyes. 

[QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="jakyl996"]

Fallout 3 will be what Bethesda see to be the best way for them to make money. They are a corporate entity existing to make money after all. The majority of games purchased are purchased by the majority of people. Are those people smart like the majority of peeps on this forum. Um.....lets hope not :P Kidding!!! The majority of games are purchased by people who don't know much about games. So to think that Bethesda purchased the licence for this intellectual property for any other purpose then to make money would be silly. So I predict YES it will be an FPS. I also hope that it will retain the aspect of what made Fallout.....well Fallout. This has nothing to do with Turn Based or Isometric View or what ever. Look at the GTA line of games. Look at RTS's, even the graphical engine on those has come a long way and you can zoom in and jump around. Fallout needs to retain the Road Warrior post apocalyptic feel. The perks and humor and stat system and all that jazz...nice to have but may not survive. Will I buy it. Damn straight I will. Unless it is god awful. Which is won't be.

*puts his firemans hat on and waits for the flaming to start*

jakyl996

Turning it into an FPS will automatically make it lose any aspect of what made fallout, fallout, no matter what.

In your eyes perhaps. Luckily for the rest of us your opinion is just that an opinion.

Okay...I'm just going to copy and paste what I've said to the countless others who have said fallout should be an FPS:

You're changing the original games genre, so no matter what it won't really be considered a real fallout sequel.

It's like if ubisoft made deus ex 3 a chess game(I know it's a little extreme ), no matter how good it is, it'll never be considered a true part of the series.

[QUOTE="jakyl996"][QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="jakyl996"]

Fallout 3 will be what Bethesda see to be the best way for them to make money. They are a corporate entity existing to make money after all. The majority of games purchased are purchased by the majority of people. Are those people smart like the majority of peeps on this forum. Um.....lets hope not :P Kidding!!! The majority of games are purchased by people who don't know much about games. So to think that Bethesda purchased the licence for this intellectual property for any other purpose then to make money would be silly. So I predict YES it will be an FPS. I also hope that it will retain the aspect of what made Fallout.....well Fallout. This has nothing to do with Turn Based or Isometric View or what ever. Look at the GTA line of games. Look at RTS's, even the graphical engine on those has come a long way and you can zoom in and jump around. Fallout needs to retain the Road Warrior post apocalyptic feel. The perks and humor and stat system and all that jazz...nice to have but may not survive. Will I buy it. Damn straight I will. Unless it is god awful. Which is won't be.

*puts his firemans hat on and waits for the flaming to start*

onemic

Turning it into an FPS will automatically make it lose any aspect of what made fallout, fallout, no matter what.

In your eyes perhaps. Luckily for the rest of us your opinion is just that an opinion.

Okay...I'm just going to copy and paste what I've said to the countless others who have said fallout should be an FPS:

You're changing the original games genre, so no matter what it won't really be considered a real fallout sequel.

It's like if ubisoft made deus ex 3 a chess game(I know it's a little extreme ), no matter how good it is, it'll never be considered a true part of the series.

Can you STFU? We all read what you said previously. I personally don't care. Fallout 3 will succeed or fail on it's own merits. PERIOD.

Do you feel that Bethesda is a gaming company that lacks integrity? I don't. There games may not be what I personally want them to be but they are pretty well crafted with vision and an eye for the majority of gamers. For the PC market to thrive, this is what devs must do. They must sell many copies of their games. They are not kidding any one.

jakyl996

How'd that Star Trek game turn out? 

[QUOTE="jakyl996"]

Do you feel that Bethesda is a gaming company that lacks integrity? I don't. There games may not be what I personally want them to be but they are pretty well crafted with vision and an eye for the majority of gamers. For the PC market to thrive, this is what devs must do. They must sell many copies of their games. They are not kidding any one.

Alaris83

How'd that Star Trek game turn out? 

*Hangs his head in shame*

[QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="jakyl996"][QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="jakyl996"]

Fallout 3 will be what Bethesda see to be the best way for them to make money. They are a corporate entity existing to make money after all. The majority of games purchased are purchased by the majority of people. Are those people smart like the majority of peeps on this forum. Um.....lets hope not :P Kidding!!! The majority of games are purchased by people who don't know much about games. So to think that Bethesda purchased the licence for this intellectual property for any other purpose then to make money would be silly. So I predict YES it will be an FPS. I also hope that it will retain the aspect of what made Fallout.....well Fallout. This has nothing to do with Turn Based or Isometric View or what ever. Look at the GTA line of games. Look at RTS's, even the graphical engine on those has come a long way and you can zoom in and jump around. Fallout needs to retain the Road Warrior post apocalyptic feel. The perks and humor and stat system and all that jazz...nice to have but may not survive. Will I buy it. Damn straight I will. Unless it is god awful. Which is won't be.

*puts his firemans hat on and waits for the flaming to start*

jakyl996

Turning it into an FPS will automatically make it lose any aspect of what made fallout, fallout, no matter what.

In your eyes perhaps. Luckily for the rest of us your opinion is just that an opinion.

Okay...I'm just going to copy and paste what I've said to the countless others who have said fallout should be an FPS:

You're changing the original games genre, so no matter what it won't really be considered a real fallout sequel.

It's like if ubisoft made deus ex 3 a chess game(I know it's a little extreme ), no matter how good it is, it'll never be considered a true part of the series.

Can you STFU? We all read what you said previously. I personally don't care. Fallout 3 will succeed or fail on it's own merits. PERIOD.

LMAO. I guess when people realize that their wrong they try to insult others.

Oh the comedy of the internet..... 

No, Fallout 3 will not be a FPS like some people here say...  By the way there are some pictures in internet which look like Fallout 3. This one for example:

Ofcourse it might be fake, but who knows..

That's Van Buren, the old FO3 before it was scrapped.Erlkoenig

Hopefully beth will build fallout 3 in the image of what blackisle was making it. But then again it is bethesda.... 

To be honest I don't like the look of Van Buren at that (extremely early) stage. The style is ok, but the environment feels bland compared to the sprites-based graphics of Fallout(2). I guess that's the price you have to pay going from 2D to 3D.

But that was 2001.

To be honest I don't like the look of Van Buren at that (extremely early) stage. The style is ok, but the environment feels bland compared to the sprites-based graphics of Fallout(2). I guess that's the price you have to pay going from 2D to 3D.

But that was 2001.

Erlkoenig

That game hadn't even hit alpha yet though. It was merely a tech demo. Most likely a lot more detail would have come into the game if it actually hit retail.  

[QUOTE="jakyl996"][QUOTE="Erlkoenig"]

[QUOTE="jakyl996"]They are a corporate entity existing to make money after all. Erlkoenig

So? They make money, who are you kidding? There is the company that makes money, maybe a lot of it, and then there is the company that is overly greedy and place quality/integrity last.

Many companys/authors/studios DO respect the integrity of their products, and they get my support. Remember AvP the movie? Fox tried to cash in on the PG-13 crowd and pissed off the adult crowd. Look how successful AvP was.

Do you feel that Bethesda is a gaming company that lacks integrity? I don't. There games may not be what I personally want them to be but they are pretty well crafted with vision and an eye for the majority of gamers. For the PC market to thrive, this is what devs must do. They must sell many copies of their games. They are not kidding any one. Oblivion was a well crafted game with a high level of modability. I never played it without moding so I am not sure how bad it was but the mod-ed up version was nice. I enjoyed it. It was not the sequel to Morrowind I had hoped for but still well crafted and a good game in it's own right.

btw....AvP the movie wasn't total garbage but just not great...IMHO

I personally don't give a damn about their previous franchise. I only care about FO3. If they make FO3 "Oblivion with guns" then they have a severe lack of integrity, yeah, in my eyes.

regardless of whether I agree or not on the whole console thing, I agree that you cannot make Fallout 3 an "Oblivion with guns,"  if anything it needs to retain the over the head view, the game absolutely cannot go first-person, because then it loses alot of what the originals were.  Fallout needs to retain as mainy of the elements that made fallout, especially the perspective and the detailed world.