Elder Scrolls Online no longer PC exclusive - it just got worse

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Where I was optimistic about this game, even though I know many were not, I just jumped off the bandwagon. I had high hopes for it being a PC exclusive, now not so much. I would love to go back to the days where a PC was a PC and consoles were consoles. Anyone else hate feeling console in your PC games? I freaking can't stand having to navigate a console UI with my mouse and keyboard. I think this hurts any chance at a MMO community as well. Yes I said it.

It's very obviously a f'ing terrible game so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

It's very obviously a f'ing terrible game so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

ShimmerMan

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

It's very obviously a f'ing terrible game so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

vfibsux

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Where I was optimistic about this game, even though I know many were not, I just jumped off the bandwagon. I had high hopes for it being a PC exclusive, now not so much. I would love to go back to the days where a PC was a PC and consoles were consoles. Anyone else hate feeling console in your PC games? I freaking can't stand having to navigate a console UI with my mouse and keyboard. I think this hurts any chance at a MMO community as well. Yes I said it.

vfibsux

The game is being designed for the PC so you shouldn't have to worry about the UI

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

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Where I was optimistic about this game, even though I know many were not, I just jumped off the bandwagon. I had high hopes for it being a PC exclusive, now not so much. I would love to go back to the days where a PC was a PC and consoles were consoles. Anyone else hate feeling console in your PC games? I freaking can't stand having to navigate a console UI with my mouse and keyboard. I think this hurts any chance at a MMO community as well. Yes I said it.

lawlessx

The game is being designed for the PC so you shouldn't have to worry about the UI

It's very obviously a f'ing terrible game so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

ShimmerMan

Not quite sure if it looks "f'ing terrible" but I agree that I personally have not been excited about ESO for even 1 minute since I've first heard of it. Every video for it I have seen screamed mediocrity and redundancy at me, from an mmo perspective.

Now that it is multiplat...well I *really* lost interest in it, mainly for the payment model factor. Coming for consoles almost assuredly means B2P right? I guess they could do subs through Sony/Xbox platforms but that just feels awkward. And personally if an mmo isn't sub based I basically don't care, F2P and B2P mmo's in my experience suck and reek of boredom after 2 weeks. 

I'm still on my little Wildstar train! Chooo choooo! (please don't be bad Wildstar, I wanna <3 you so much!)

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

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Where I was optimistic about this game, even though I know many were not, I just jumped off the bandwagon. I had high hopes for it being a PC exclusive, now not so much. I would love to go back to the days where a PC was a PC and consoles were consoles. Anyone else hate feeling console in your PC games? I freaking can't stand having to navigate a console UI with my mouse and keyboard. I think this hurts any chance at a MMO community as well. Yes I said it.

the_ChEeSe_mAn2

The game is being designed for the PC so you shouldn't have to worry about the UI

What compromises? It's releasing on next gen consoles, there will likely be no compromises at all.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Why were you optimistic about the game in the first place? You must be quite the idealist to have any high expectations from this project whatsoever. Did you guys just start gaming yesterday? Seriously.... Having said that, I'm glad this game is going multi-platform. I don't believe that PC needs a dominance on a genre that has grown very stale by now. Just about any form of change, whether it be influenced by consoles or not - is a step in the right direction in my opinion. There are certainly some interesting gameplay ideas in the game, it's a shame people rarely look beyond the surface.vfibsux

Just like most users here, it's just a little tiring seeing PC gamers perpetuate a stereotype (that PC is always better than everything else). MMORPGs aren't inherently better on PC just because we have a million hotkeys at our disposal. If anything, I consider that a huge detractor - because now we have a million games based on the exact same use of hotkeys and not much else - let's try something else for a change. Will the PC platform suffer because of the console release? Sure, a little bit at the very least. I just don't see what makes this news particularly bad. I wasn't expecting a WoW-killer, so it doesn't have to be the best game ever, just an MMORPG from a new team that doesn't quite know it's audience but knows what they want in their game.

Why do people hate the game so much anyways pre-release? What's so redundant about it?

I'm still intrigued. If it's free to play, why not give it a try?

I'm still intrigued. If it's free to play, why not give it a try?

The_Capitalist

I never had any interest in this game and now I have even less.

...Even some MMOs are multi and are good or at least fun to play. FelipeInside

Can you name one?  I can't think of a single MMO that's even on a console much less a multi-platform or a good one.

I never had any interest in this game and now I have even less.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]...Even some MMOs are multi and are good or at least fun to play. -wildflower-

Can you name one?  I can't think of a single MMO that's even on a console much less a multi-platform or a good one.

Well, according to your TASTE there wouldn't be any, but off the top of my head you have DCUO and Defiance. Not awesome 10/10 MMOs but still fun to play in some parts with some strengths in others.FelipeInside

Ahh, I stand corrected.  I had forgotten about DCUO being released for the PS3 and Defiance. I've played both of those games (Defiance recently during the Steam free weekend) and they are both awful - even by modern MMO standards.  I've been saying for a while now that MMORPGs are pretty much dead and moving them to the consoles doesn't fill me with confidence that they'll ever get better.  A streamlined, overly simplified, static theme-park MMORPG holds zero appeal to me. Been there, done that.

But I am sure they'll sell like hotcakes seeing as how most console gamers are young and lack taste.  ;)

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Well, according to your TASTE there wouldn't be any, but off the top of my head you have DCUO and Defiance. Not awesome 10/10 MMOs but still fun to play in some parts with some strengths in others.-wildflower-

Ahh, I stand corrected.  I had forgotten about DCUO being released for the PS3 and Defiance. I've played both of those games (Defiance recently during the Steam free weekend) and they are both awful - even by modern MMO standards.  I've been saying for a while now that MMORPGs are pretty much dead and moving them to the consoles doesn't fill me with confidence that they'll ever get better.  A streamlined, overly simplified, static theme-park MMORPG holds zero appeal to me. Been there, done that.

But I am sure they'll sell like hotcakes seeing as how most console gamers are young and lack taste.  ;)

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Well, according to your TASTE there wouldn't be any, but off the top of my head you have DCUO and Defiance. Not awesome 10/10 MMOs but still fun to play in some parts with some strengths in others.FelipeInside

Ahh, I stand corrected.  I had forgotten about DCUO being released for the PS3 and Defiance. I've played both of those games (Defiance recently during the Steam free weekend) and they are both awful - even by modern MMO standards.  I've been saying for a while now that MMORPGs are pretty much dead and moving them to the consoles doesn't fill me with confidence that they'll ever get better.  A streamlined, overly simplified, static theme-park MMORPG holds zero appeal to me. Been there, done that.

But I am sure they'll sell like hotcakes seeing as how most console gamers are young and lack taste.  ;)

Sweet baby jebus, not to sound like your "advid" stalker or anything, but are there any games you don't like?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Ahh, I stand corrected.  I had forgotten about DCUO being released for the PS3 and Defiance. I've played both of those games (Defiance recently during the Steam free weekend) and they are both awful - even by modern MMO standards.  I've been saying for a while now that MMORPGs are pretty much dead and moving them to the consoles doesn't fill me with confidence that they'll ever get better.  A streamlined, overly simplified, static theme-park MMORPG holds zero appeal to me. Been there, done that.

But I am sure they'll sell like hotcakes seeing as how most console gamers are young and lack taste.  ;)

-wildflower-

Sweet baby jebus, not to sound like your "advid" stalker or anything, but are there any games you don't like?

Well, actually....I really didn't like DCUO. It started off good (the character creation was great), but then it sunk too much into "Kill X enemies, Collect Reward, Repeat". Some of the group missions were fun, especially the story ones, but I was just expecting more story wise.

So because it goes multiplat you suddenly lose interest in the game and claim it GOT worse? Oh please, they've been in development long enough I'm sure the PC version will be fine and the PS4/Xbox One will probably be down the road and not released next to its PC counterpart.

Anyways, still interested in the game. Heard bad things about it but it's still in development and no release dates yet (at least not to my knowledge) have been announced so there's still time to change it for good especially if beta goes well and people maybe explain to them problems they are seeing with the game and could suggest to them to go back to previous ideas (I don't know how the beta works here so I'm just assuming it's like any other beta).

It is fine for me as long as they don't play in the same server... :roll:kerk12

A bit of a bummer news. Controls and depth are definitely going to be tailored down to fit mediocre gamepad functionality. UI might too but not likely, they already have the UI in place for PC for years so not much worry there.

The biggest issue is content update and patches. Timed exclusives anyone? We've seen it all too often on previous TES games...

Of course, not forgetting the game will probably be made to be easy as heck and all content solo-able, you know, to cater to console TES fans. Its already quite bad in most new MMOs almost losing its meaning in "multiplayer" but with console crowds joining in, the "I-WANT-MY-REWARDS-NAO!!!!" situation is only going to get worse.

Still interested to see how this goes though so we'll see.

A bit of a bummer news. Controls and depth are definitely going to be tailored down to fit mediocre gamepad functionality. UI might too but not likely, they already have the UI in place for PC for years so not much worry there.

mirgamer

Haven't all past Elder Scrolls been on consoles too?

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]

A bit of a bummer news. Controls and depth are definitely going to be tailored down to fit mediocre gamepad functionality. UI might too but not likely, they already have the UI in place for PC for years so not much worry there.

FelipeInside

Haven't all past Elder Scrolls been on consoles too?

Well...the three that matter, yeah. :P

I guess since the game was PC only people assume that because of that games instantly get more depth and complex by default but when it hits consoles it suddenly gets dumbed down? What a world we live in where that's a person's assumption.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

I never had any interest in this game and now I have even less.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]...Even some MMOs are multi and are good or at least fun to play. FelipeInside

Can you name one?  I can't think of a single MMO that's even on a console much less a multi-platform or a good one.

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]

A bit of a bummer news. Controls and depth are definitely going to be tailored down to fit mediocre gamepad functionality. UI might too but not likely, they already have the UI in place for PC for years so not much worry there.

FelipeInside

Haven't all past Elder Scrolls been on consoles too?

[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Why were you optimistic about the game in the first place? You must be quite the idealist to have any high expectations from this project whatsoever. Did you guys just start gaming yesterday? Seriously.... Having said that, I'm glad this game is going multi-platform. I don't believe that PC needs a dominance on a genre that has grown very stale by now. Just about any form of change, whether it be influenced by consoles or not - is a step in the right direction in my opinion. There are certainly some interesting gameplay ideas in the game, it's a shame people rarely look beyond the surface.KHAndAnime

Just like most users here, it's just a little tiring seeing PC gamers perpetuate a stereotype (that PC is always better than everything else). MMORPGs aren't inherently better on PC just because we have a million hotkeys at our disposal. If anything, I consider that a huge detractor - because now we have a million games based on the exact same use of hotkeys and not much else - let's try something else for a change. Will the PC platform suffer because of the console release? Sure, a little bit at the very least. I just don't see what makes this news particularly bad. I wasn't expecting a WoW-killer, so it doesn't have to be the best game ever, just an MMORPG from a new team that doesn't quite know it's audience but knows what they want in their game.

Why do people hate the game so much anyways pre-release? What's so redundant about it?

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]

A bit of a bummer news. Controls and depth are definitely going to be tailored down to fit mediocre gamepad functionality. UI might too but not likely, they already have the UI in place for PC for years so not much worry there.

FelipeInside

Haven't all past Elder Scrolls been on consoles too?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]

A bit of a bummer news. Controls and depth are definitely going to be tailored down to fit mediocre gamepad functionality. UI might too but not likely, they already have the UI in place for PC for years so not much worry there.

Goyoshi12

Haven't all past Elder Scrolls been on consoles too?

Well...the three that matter, yeah. :P

I guess since the game was PC only people assume that because of that games instantly get more depth and complex by default but when it hits consoles it suddenly gets dumbed down? What a world we live in where that's a person's assumption.

I'm more than happy to be proven wrong by ZoS, honestly but I'm not holding my breath.

Theres nothing to assume, the gamepad's functionality is limited, thats a fact. The mouse/KB combo can do so much more, particularly in an MMO settings. While being overly-complex may not be ideal but obviously the latter allows user to have access to more abilities and skills than the gamepad. Obviously the game's combat, mechanics and encounters will be tailored to fit in with the limitations of the gamepad, its really not that hard to figure out that the difficulty and depth will be directly affected as well.

edit : Still, all of that isn't really the dealbreaker for me. As I highlighted earlier, biggest concern for me if future content updates will be timed exclusives to specific platforms while the PC players had to wait a couple weeks. Its quite a possibility...

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]

A bit of a bummer news. Controls and depth are definitely going to be tailored down to fit mediocre gamepad functionality. UI might too but not likely, they already have the UI in place for PC for years so not much worry there.

mirgamer

Haven't all past Elder Scrolls been on consoles too?

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Where I was optimistic about this game, even though I know many were not, I just jumped off the bandwagon. I had high hopes for it being a PC exclusive, now not so much. I would love to go back to the days where a PC was a PC and consoles were consoles. Anyone else hate feeling console in your PC games? I freaking can't stand having to navigate a console UI with my mouse and keyboard. I think this hurts any chance at a MMO community as well. Yes I said it.

vfibsux

LOL...it looks to be a pretty average if not horrible game...why are u even concerned???
Have you not seen the gameplay videos of ESO on youtube?? 
Have you not listen to all the people who got the chance to play it...and said it sucks?
It will be a fail...no one will even bother with this game.

No one cares if it comes even on 3DS...no one...

[QUOTE="mirgamer"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Haven't all past Elder Scrolls been on consoles too?

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

The game is being designed for the PC so you shouldn't have to worry about the UI

JangoWuzHere

What compromises? It's releasing on next gen consoles, there will likely be no compromises at all.

Given the fact they were building it with a smaller skill set in mind (like Guild Wars 2) and that the majority of Elder Scrolls fans were on the consoles, I don't see how this is a bad thing for the game. 

It really didn't stand much of a chance as a PC exclusive. 

Given the fact they were building it with a smaller skill set in mind (like Guild Wars 2) and that the majority of Elder Scrolls fans were on the consoles, I don't see how this is a bad thing for the game. 

It really didn't stand much of a chance as a PC exclusive. 

Wasdie

It will pritty sure fail a few months after realise,  you basicaly cant make titanic MMO RPG to be good  with such a simple UI - Interface,... and yet MMO RPG genre isnt something that they should mix with multi platforms,... Why did WoW survived for so long ? Macros , Skills , Items, Trinkets ,... PVE , Raids ,,.. PVP...  same as Rift ( i dont say that Rift is succsesful MMO as WoW) but thing is that 2 MMO's have what MMO world need  Complexity of skills and mix of variations,.. UI and Interface must be main thing in MMO RPG you cant play MMO RPG with small skill set,...  Look at GW2.  Its so casual that many casual players (2 hours per day) quit game soon as they hit lvl 80, no attument slots , not much variety in builds , 2-3 kinds of gear,.... not so much complex PVE (very easy and generic)  PVP sux in 2 thing SPVP  will never be E. Sport  because of their crap focus development,  WvWvW is too much focused on Siege and Zergs...    And TESO going with same steps.  They are hoping to sell at realise game and then to leech it from Subscriptions or Itemshop, depend on their choice of Market.  

In MMO RPG basicaly you cant make  very simple UI - Interface,  i dont know how Console players are gonna use variety of addons,... which is a key of many good MMO's, you cant compare many MMO's with addons installed or without. Second thing how they gonna use Macros,  Voice servers with constant  Microphone's on,.. and things such as... Even how Console players gonna compete against  PC,,... if they are planing on inserting World versus World, will there be enough players on PS or Xbox Mega servers to do such a thing ? I dont know,  Console players arent a type of MMO's... We will see.   Dont mind on my English its my third language.

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

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Where I was optimistic about this game, even though I know many were not, I just jumped off the bandwagon. I had high hopes for it being a PC exclusive, now not so much. I would love to go back to the days where a PC was a PC and consoles were consoles. Anyone else hate feeling console in your PC games? I freaking can't stand having to navigate a console UI with my mouse and keyboard. I think this hurts any chance at a MMO community as well. Yes I said it.

rhazzy

LOL...it looks to be a pretty average if not horrible game...why are u even concerned???
Have you not seen the gameplay videos of ESO on youtube?? 
Have you not listen to all the people who got the chance to play it...and said it sucks?
It will be a fail...no one will even bother with this game.

No one cares if it comes even on 3DS...no one...

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="mirgamer"] Except we have mods to fix them. Re-customise them, make it harder/more realistic whatever we feel we need. We won't have that option in ESO. The PC players may turn out to be their lowest priority.rhazzy

Yeah, I'm sure that on PC the game was unplayable without mods?  Cause I have many friends (both on console and PC) who played it without mods and got hundreds of hours out of it.

Given the fact they were building it with a smaller skill set in mind (like Guild Wars 2) and that the majority of Elder Scrolls fans were on the consoles, I don't see how this is a bad thing for the game. 

It really didn't stand much of a chance as a PC exclusive. 

Wasdie

it would if it were going to be an sandbox MMO.

It has looked like a terrible game from the start. I have no intention of getting it since the beginning.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Given the fact they were building it with a smaller skill set in mind (like Guild Wars 2) and that the majority of Elder Scrolls fans were on the consoles, I don't see how this is a bad thing for the game. 

It really didn't stand much of a chance as a PC exclusive. 

lawlessx

it would if it were going to be an sandbox MMO.

Just like all of the other major successful sandbox MMOs people are playing right now. Right?