Doesn't any PC game rate a 10?

Seriously,

I can't believe in all of the years that Gamespot has been reviewing games, that not a single PC game has been rated a 10. Is this some pro-console based bias or something else? I would think that at least one of the following would have warranted a 10 over the years.

Half-Life or Half-Life 2

One of the Ultima series

Thief the Dark Project

Alpha Centauri

Civilization II or IV

Starcraft

Grim Fandango

Baldur's Gate or Baldur's Gate II

Unreal Tournament

etc. I can think of several more that could be contenders. Yes, I have played several of the console games that have received 10s. The differences can't be that great, can they?

Maybe spore can be the first... I wouldn't be suprized.

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JP_Russell

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not fair, my favorite game's name's longer than yours!

oh yes, i could have copied and pasted, but then where would my joke go?!

Maybe spore can be the first... I wouldn't be suprized.

ZabuzaR

I wouldn't either, but I'm really hoping that spore doesn't receive the first 10. Too many people nowadays are seeing the PC as a platform only good for playing sim games and MMORPGS. I know that Spore is hardly your average sim game, but I'd still prefer a game from a different genre taking home the 10.

The PC platform simply has a much higher standard than consoles. shalashaska88

this. i mean, how does halo 3 get 9.5? its one of the best shooters available for consoles, but doesnt hold a candle to any unreal game or any of the valve shooters.

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JP_Russell

Got a 7.8 on PC. What's your point?

[QUOTE="JP_Russell"]

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Johnny_Rock

Got a 7.8 on PC. What's your point?

My point is that it's a game that should rate a 10 (in my opinion, and it is so far the only game I've played that I would give a 10). It is drastically underscored by Gamespot to me.

Gamespot is corrupt.

Seriously,

Is this some pro-console based bias or something else?Afshin34

Tons of PC games deserve 10s - in recent memory, Crysis and The Orange Box to name just two.

But remember that GameSpot's scoring system has changed recently - it's not like they've been throwing tens out like confetti to console games all these years. Only one or two console games scored ten prior to the reshuffling of last year.

We can probably expect some PC 10s sooner or later, now.

But, I have to say, who the **** gives a **** what the **** GameSpot says or thinks about games? Surely they've proven themselves to be a bunch of ****ing ****ty ****faced ****eating ****heads.

Disclaimer: I have replaced the word nice with asterisks as I dislike typing the word nice.

But, I have to say, who the **** gives a **** what the **** GameSpot says or thinks about games?

This.

But, I have to say, who the **** gives a **** what the **** GameSpot says or thinks about games?

This.

artur79

ditto

Tons of PC games deserve 10s - in recent memory, Crysis and The Orange Box to name just two.

But remember that GameSpot's scoring system has changed recently - it's not like they've been throwing tens out like confetti to console games all these years. Only one or two console games scored ten prior to the reshuffling of last year.

We can probably expect some PC 10s sooner or later, now.

But, I have to say, who the **** gives a **** what the **** GameSpot says or thinks about games? Surely they've proven themselves to be a bunch of ****ing ****ty ****faced ****eating ****heads.

Disclaimer: I have replaced the word nice with asterisks as I dislike typing the word nice.

fatshodan

The PC platform simply has a much higher standard than consoles. shalashaska88

+1

PC games can't win at places like GS they are too dumb to just rate the game. Example Oblivion gets 9.3 for PC, 9.6 for Xbox360

I owned both versions. Looks better on PC if you have the right hardware but GS knocks it down a few points because if you don't it doesn't look nice, while on the 360 the load times were so painfully long i didn't play much more than 10 hours because I just couldn't stand it anymore.

I think PC Reviewers are more sensible and analytical then there console counterparts. I mean come on, two 10's in like two weeks is ridiculous.

Also PC viewers look more into the long term as PC is an evolving system where as console reviewers only look at the lifespan of the console.

I do think that's lots of PC games deserve 10 more then some console ones though.

Halo 3 is considered a great game due to console standards. Simple graphics, simple controller, less gameplay features, thats what is considered the average console game. A PC exclusive would have to be rich in original or fun gameplay elements with plenty of variety and sharp crisp graphics. Crysis got a 9.5 due to the above. But it would take a lot of effort and a lot of time to make a PC game that would score a perfect 10 on at least one website, due to the higher standards.

Nothing deserves a 10.McJugga

Then why does it exist? That would be like grading a quiz out of 100%, but the answers only add up to 90%. It's stupid and makes absolutely no sense.

As quality increases, so do standards. If no game has ever gotten a ten to date, no game ever will - so, again, I ask, why is it there if you don't think it should be used? All you end up doing by stating that the 10 should never be used is you make the 9 your 10, and you're back to where you started.

[QUOTE="McJugga"]Nothing deserves a 10.fatshodan

Then why does it exist? That would be like grading a quiz out of 100%, but the answers only add up to 90%. It's stupid and makes absolutely no sense.

As quality increases, so do standards. If no game has ever gotten a ten to date, no game ever will - so, again, I ask, why is it there if you don't think it should be used? All you end up doing by stating that the 10 should never be used is you make the 9 your 10, and you're back to where you started.

[QUOTE="fatshodan"]

[QUOTE="McJugga"]Nothing deserves a 10.blackdreamhunk

Then why does it exist? That would be like grading a quiz out of 100%, but the answers only add up to 90%. It's stupid and makes absolutely no sense.

As quality increases, so do standards. If no game has ever gotten a ten to date, no game ever will - so, again, I ask, why is it there if you don't think it should be used? All you end up doing by stating that the 10 should never be used is you make the 9 your 10, and you're back to where you started.

Then wait forever. A perfect game does not exist. And never will.

[QUOTE="fatshodan"]

[QUOTE="McJugga"]Nothing deserves a 10.blackdreamhunk

Then why does it exist? That would be like grading a quiz out of 100%, but the answers only add up to 90%. It's stupid and makes absolutely no sense.

As quality increases, so do standards. If no game has ever gotten a ten to date, no game ever will - so, again, I ask, why is it there if you don't think it should be used? All you end up doing by stating that the 10 should never be used is you make the 9 your 10, and you're back to where you started.

Firstly, there's no such thing as a perfect game - every game can be better than it is, and every game has flaws, no matter how few or how insignificant.

Secondly, like I said, as quality increases so do standards. If no game has yet been good enough (in your/whoever's opinion) to earn a 10, no game ever will, because as games keep on getting better, so do the standards by which you judge them.

If a 10 has never been released to date, a 10 will never be released. Rethink your grading system - it's broken.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="fatshodan"]

[QUOTE="McJugga"]Nothing deserves a 10.fatshodan

Then why does it exist? That would be like grading a quiz out of 100%, but the answers only add up to 90%. It's stupid and makes absolutely no sense.

As quality increases, so do standards. If no game has ever gotten a ten to date, no game ever will - so, again, I ask, why is it there if you don't think it should be used? All you end up doing by stating that the 10 should never be used is you make the 9 your 10, and you're back to where you started.

Firstly, there's no such thing as a perfect game - every game can be better than it is, and every game has flaws, no matter how few or how insignificant.

Secondly, like I said, as quality increases so do standards. If no game has yet been good enough (in your/whoever's opinion) to earn a 10, no game ever will, because as games keep on getting better, so do the standards by which you judge them.

If a 10 has never been released to date, a 10 will never be released. Rethink your grading system - it's broken.

[QUOTE="fatshodan"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="fatshodan"]

[QUOTE="McJugga"]Nothing deserves a 10.blackdreamhunk

Then why does it exist? That would be like grading a quiz out of 100%, but the answers only add up to 90%. It's stupid and makes absolutely no sense.

As quality increases, so do standards. If no game has ever gotten a ten to date, no game ever will - so, again, I ask, why is it there if you don't think it should be used? All you end up doing by stating that the 10 should never be used is you make the 9 your 10, and you're back to where you started.

Firstly, there's no such thing as a perfect game - every game can be better than it is, and every game has flaws, no matter how few or how insignificant.

Secondly, like I said, as quality increases so do standards. If no game has yet been good enough (in your/whoever's opinion) to earn a 10, no game ever will, because as games keep on getting better, so do the standards by which you judge them.

If a 10 has never been released to date, a 10 will never be released. Rethink your grading system - it's broken.

Games have been released that meet all of your above criteria - do they not deserve 10s? There was a time when genres that exist today did not exist - do the trailblazers of old not deserve 10s?

All I'm saying is, if no game made so far deserves a 10, no game ever will deserve a 10 because as games get better, we expect them to be better - the two factors cancel eachother out.

10 should not be reserved for the holiest of holies - it's utterly redundant, and it serves no purpose. Remember that the point of a review score is essentially to enable the reviewer to provide an at-a-glance value of the game's worth. That considered, the distinction between 9 and 10 is relatively moot - game quality isn't an exact science, and nitpicking and reserving 10s for games rarer than a six leaf clover that can ice skate serves to functional purpose.

The PC platform simply has a much higher standard than consoles. shalashaska88

Exactly what it comes down to. Even if MGS 4 came out to PC today with higher res/crisper graphics, perfect controls and a few added missions...It still wouldn't get a 10.

The PC platform simply has a much higher standard than consoles. shalashaska88

The PC platform simply has a much higher standard than consoles. shalashaska88

Yep that must be it...

Damn it, people.

OK, before I go on a rant: can someone explain to me in detail how on earth these higher standards make it impossible to get a 10 on PC? I just don't understand the logic behind that statement and how so many of you can agree with that.

Here is one simple example. I would have given System Shock 2 a 10 back in the day. Let's say I do the same with Halo. Are they equally good? No. System Shock 2 is better. Why? Because of higher standards on PC.

Damn it, people.

OK, before I go on a rant: can someone explain to me in detail how on earth these higher standards make it impossible to get a 10 on PC? I just don't understand the logic behind that statement and how so many of you can agree with that.

Here is one simple example. I would have given System Shock 2 a 10 back in the day. Let's say I do the same with Halo. Are they equally good? No. System Shock 2 is better. Why? Because of higher standards on PC.

artur79

lol. logic is hard to find here at the forums, artur; you'll be a lot happier and far less frustrated once you accept that.

[QUOTE="artur79"]

Damn it, people.

OK, before I go on a rant: can someone explain to me in detail how on earth these higher standards make it impossible to get a 10 on PC? I just don't understand the logic behind that statement and how so many of you can agree with that.

Here is one simple example. I would have given System Shock 2 a 10 back in the day. Let's say I do the same with Halo. Are they equally good? No. System Shock 2 is better. Why? Because of higher standards on PC.

fireandcloud

lol. logic is hard to find here at the forums, artur; you'll be a lot happier and far less frustrated once you accept that.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that? Come on, man - the entire point of internet forums is to make other people bow down to your superior reasoning!

[QUOTE="artur79"]

Damn it, people.

OK, before I go on a rant: can someone explain to me in detail how on earth these higher standards make it impossible to get a 10 on PC? I just don't understand the logic behind that statement and how so many of you can agree with that.

Here is one simple example. I would have given System Shock 2 a 10 back in the day. Let's say I do the same with Halo. Are they equally good? No. System Shock 2 is better. Why? Because of higher standards on PC.

fireandcloud

lol. logic is hard to find here at the forums, artur; you'll be a lot happier and far less frustrated once you accept that.

Maybe I should just try this every time I get annoyed on forums. Although insanity later will follow...

[QUOTE="fireandcloud"][QUOTE="artur79"]

Damn it, people.

OK, before I go on a rant: can someone explain to me in detail how on earth these higher standards make it impossible to get a 10 on PC? I just don't understand the logic behind that statement and how so many of you can agree with that.

Here is one simple example. I would have given System Shock 2 a 10 back in the day. Let's say I do the same with Halo. Are they equally good? No. System Shock 2 is better. Why? Because of higher standards on PC.

fatshodan

lol. logic is hard to find here at the forums, artur; you'll be a lot happier and far less frustrated once you accept that.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that? Come on, man - the entire point of internet forums is to make other people bow down to your superior reasoning!

but talking to irrational people is never fun, cuz they just can't follow my rational thinking. they can't see, no matter how much i try to explain, that they're being illogical in their arguments. of course, anyone who disagrees with me and persists in doing so is being illogical in my book.

damn it, people! just admit that i'm always right and we'll get along famously!

[QUOTE="fireandcloud"][QUOTE="artur79"]

Damn it, people.

OK, before I go on a rant: can someone explain to me in detail how on earth these higher standards make it impossible to get a 10 on PC? I just don't understand the logic behind that statement and how so many of you can agree with that.

Here is one simple example. I would have given System Shock 2 a 10 back in the day. Let's say I do the same with Halo. Are they equally good? No. System Shock 2 is better. Why? Because of higher standards on PC.

fatshodan

lol. logic is hard to find here at the forums, artur; you'll be a lot happier and far less frustrated once you accept that.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that? Come on, man - the entire point of internet forums is to make other people bow down to your superior reasoning!

LOL

psst - he says that only because he's good at it :P