Diablo 3....is it gonna happen??

[QUOTE="delirin"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="delirin"]

What I think is childish would be taking criticism of a game so personally.

BTW it is garbage bud ;)

edit: BTW I'd kill for a D3. Not every last person that had his hands on diablo 3 is gone, and they've still got the most kick ass cinematics team in the industry, I still have hopes.

mismajor99

No, whats childish is running around for months bashing a game you don't even like ;)

Whats childish is hanging around forums for games you consider "garbage" trolling.

Whats childish is making gross over generalizations and brash comments for ones personal enjoyment at the expense of other people.

What you do is childish. I simply point out the FACTS, like the actual reviews it recieves ;)

Grow up derilin...you have been lurking around the HG:L forums FOR MONTHS NOW, bashing the game and the people who enjoy it. You don't see me on forums for games I don't like, especially for MONTHSdo you? Yup, thats because I am not a petty troll kid.

I'm quite grown up, thanks. Personally, I think we disagree on the definition of childish... as with everything else. Starting flame wars... imo is childish, replying to your flames might put me in that boat with you but I really couldn't care less.

I see a comment about HG:L, I comment. I don't like the game, I'm going to say that. Your "facts" aren't going to change that I feel the game is garbage. I'm not wrong in saying so... it is garbage. It's mediocre in general, overhyped, has the nads to charge for content other games have offered for free... and is riding on the coat tails of diablo to bost sales.

I also praise games I do like. What is childish is perusing the forums toating one premature pc gamer review over and over.

You are incorrect, and that's a fact. You know why? Because you are calling a game "garbage" that hasn't even come out yet. Even if you did play the beta, that wasn't even half the content, or complete game for that matter, not even a quarter of the content once things start to roll out further down the road. I think it's extremely premature to judge this game, and especially use words like garbage before it ever has a chance.

When a person purchases Hellgate London from the store, they are getting a single player game that lasts for around 50 or so hours depending on play time, and countless more playthroughs as different classes if so desires. It also allows you to play your character online, for free of course. That to me sounds like an amazing deal, and exceeds at what all the other models for single player RPG's do. How many games can you think of that provide that amount of hours of gameplay? And all for $50 bucks.

Where it excels is the fact that you have the option of multiplayer, which I plan on taking advantage of. End of story, that's worth every penny of $50 bucks, and PC Gamer thinks so too. Now, If you wanna subscribe for new content, that's a whole seperate beast into itself. You or I can't name one other game that will give content for free on a weekly and monthly basis, none. Essentially you are asking an entire company, who will be working 24/7 on this game, to provide content free of charge. That's ridiculous thinking, and I'm sure once you think about it, you'll understand as a rational human being. Now, you can argue the fact that you should be given more player slots as part of the game, or complain about the 10 bucks being a little too much, but to complain about the fact that Flagship is giving the option of keeping this game alive so to speak is just ridiculous.

Most other games, Neverwinter Nights 2($50 USD upon release) and Gothic 3($40 USD upon release) for example are near dead from last year, and will never be as supported or as big as Hellgate. What's wrong with keeping a game going, and building a community? That's exactly what Hellgate is attempting, growing a community that's not even mandatory either! In a way, Flagship should have just come right out and said everyone's paying $10 bucks a month, like it or leave it, no single player, no multiplayer component, screw off. And you know what? Nobody would be complaining. Because they want to offer a new way of delivering content, all of a sudden it's a problem. If it works, it works, if not, then it's back to the drawing board.

Lastly, with Guild Wars, you are paying for expansion packs once a year if you kept up with the *CONTENT* of the game over the years, so why all of a sudden is this different? It's just a different business model that no one else is doing. Most games are usually pay to play, pay for expansions, or microtransactions in order to support the game. Hellgate is a hybrid in a way, and like all other things new, it's causing people to go overboard. I'll never understand why people are in an uproar over choice. If you played Neverwinter Nights 2 or Gothic 3 last year, this and The Witcher is this years's PC RPG's, that's all.

I say, enough with the hating, give the game a chance, and at least see what the reviews across the board have to say about it. Consensus will make or break this game in the end, and it's what the people want that will be the ultimate outcome.

Newsflash: You can't disprove an opinion.

I think the game is garbage, I won't take 6 paragraphs to prove my point (I also wouldn't your mistake in assuming someone is interested enough to read 6 of my paragraphs on the subject). I don't like the direction of the game, I don't like the personalities of the NPC's, I don't like the unjustified optional monthly fee, I don't like tiered multiplayer in general as far as gaming, I don't like how armor items auto-change colors to fita scheme (items loose individuality here), I don't like the zero torso movement, I don't like the rabbid hellgate fanbase... all of these things are slated for release, and even if it were just a few of them staying in... I'd skip the game.

Newsflash: You can't disprove an opinion.

I think the game is garbage, I won't take 6 paragraphs to prove my point (I also wouldn't your mistake in assuming someone is interested enough to read 6 of my paragraphs on the subject). I don't like the direction of the game, I don't like the personalities of the NPC's, I don't like the unjustified optional monthly fee, I don't like tiered multiplayer in general as far as gaming, I don't like how armor items auto-change colors to fita scheme (items loose individuality here), I don't like the zero torso movement, I don't like the rabbid hellgate fanbase... all of these things are slated for release, and even if it were just a few of them staying in... I'd skip the game.

delirin

You can't say that the game is garbage because you haven't played.
And so wecan discredit your opinion because of that.


What you're doing right now is like saying a movie sucks because you have seen the previews of it.
You can say the demo sucked. You can say the beta sucked. But in now way, shape or form are you capable of saying the game sucks without your opinion being automatically discredited. Unless you're special in some way and you've played the game before all of us, which I doubt very much.DireToad

It's a little more in depth than seeing previews for a movie and not liking it,but if you must use that metaphor... I'd relate it to seeing a commercial for a gay porn flick, something I would clearly not enjoy. I could say that said gay porn flick was garbage, and I would be correct, because I would not enjoy a gay porn flick just as I will not enjoy hellgate:london.

I'm basing my dislike of the game on features that are set in stone for launch... and a few that may in fact change, regardless, there is no way that the positives could ever outweigh the negatives for me. As such, I think it's mediocre garbage.

[QUOTE="DireToad"]


You can't say that the game is garbage because you haven't played.
And so wecan discredit your opinion because of that.


What you're doing right now is like saying a movie sucks because you have seen the previews of it.
You can say the demo sucked. You can say the beta sucked. But in now way, shape or form are you capable of saying the game sucks without your opinion being automatically discredited. Unless you're special in some way and you've played the game before all of us, which I doubt very much.delirin

It's a little more in depth than seeing previews for a movie and not liking it,but if you must use that metaphor... I'd relate it to seeing a commercial for a gay porn flick, something I would clearly not enjoy. I could say that said gay porn flick was garbage, and I would be correct, because I would not enjoy a gay porn flick just as I will not enjoy hellgate:london.

I'm basing my dislike of the game on features that are set in stone for launch... and a few that may in fact change, regardless, there is no way that the positives could ever outweigh the negatives for me. As such, I think it's mediocre garbage.

Newsflash: Your Opinion is easily discredited.

You have predetermined your thinking of Hellgate no matter how good, or bad for that matter, the game is. You've made a conscience decision to hate on game without actually playing it. There's obviously deeper issues going on for someone to hate a game. After all, it's just a game, right? Unless you have played the full retail version, no one has the credit to call a game garbage, that makes you sound like a crazy person. The same goes for people that think Hellgate is the next coming, it's impossible at this point to lean that strongly one way or the other, at least rationally speaking. Then again, you did rate Shadowrun with a 9.3 on PC, one of the biggest flops on PC this year, and one of the worst shooters I have ever played on PC, so go figure....

You haven't discredited anything... other than yourself.

Haven't played the game? Okay, when retail releases and it's a completley different game, come on back and spew this same tired story. I don't hate the game, it's just crap... the fanboys who flame anyone putting the game down is another story. What really does bother me is their subscription fee... but that's another story and I'm not up for a ramble.

Nice to see you are disturbed enough to dig into my profile though ;), I enjoyed shadowrun very much... and do need to re-write the review however as non-xbox live service is non-existant after the first month. The reson for it's flop imo is vista exsclusivity and required xbox live subsciption. I will also say that the review may have been skewed because it was one of the few games I could get to run on Vista at the time. While we're on this, it'd be nice to see a fanboi who could defend the game without resorting to personal attacks for a change.

I dont know if anyones pointed this out yet, but why would anyone try steal blizzards thunder and wows thunder when blizzard didnt even make wow, turbine did!

And as for hellgate - blizzard almost tried to pawn it off as diablo 3 so i think your sequel is long gone out the window.

The guys that made diablo if ever gonna come up with a game like it, itll be completely different to diablo.

You haven't discredited anything... other than yourself.

Haven't played the game? Okay, when retail releases and it's a completley different game, come on back and spew this same tired story. I don't hate the game, it's just crap... the fanboys who flame anyone putting the game down is another story. What really does bother me is their subscription fee... but that's another story and I'm not up for a ramble.

Nice to see you are disturbed enough to dig into my profile though ;), I enjoyed shadowrun very much... and do need to re-write the review however as non-xbox live service is non-existant after the first month. The reson for it's flop imo is vista exsclusivity and required xbox live subsciption. I will also say that the review may have been skewed because it was one of the few games I could get to run on Vista at the time. While we're on this, it'd be nice to see a fanboi who could defend the game without resorting to personal attacks for a change.

delirin

i'm not attacking you, i'm merely pointing out my displeasure of your attitude in slamming a game before release. Hellgate is a game that's going to change with the communities desires, and I view that as a positve either way you slice it. I have my own complaints with Hellgate, but I would just wouldn't call it garbage. I take the same position with Fallout 3, and I'm a huge Fallout fan. Many people are bashing it, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, even with various concerns. It works both ways. You call people fanbois, but aren't what you doing the same thing? Judging a game before the fact? That's what fanbois do, but in the other direction. Where's the middle ground?

[QUOTE="31337r4v3n"]and oh god did they screw up with hellgate london. london demo absolutely sux and is an abomination in the d world. it would be cool if they did tho as i would have rather seen d3 than sc2...xiixiix

I used to say, "Yeah, it will happen someday, but who cares? Hellgate: London is coming!" But now that is is apparent that HGL sucks, Diablo 3 can't come soon enough.NerdMan

I'm hoping this idiotic forum post didn't convince you (or anyone) that Hellgate is a bad game. Hellgate: London is the closest thing to Diablo you're likely to see for a while, and no, it's not a bad game.

I completely agree. This is about D3 not HGL, and if you hate HGL take it elsewhere so we can avoid it when trying to talk about other games.

i'm not attacking you, i'm merely pointing out my displeasure of your attitude in slamming a game before release. Hellgate is a game that's going to change with the communities desires, and I view that as a positve either way you slice it. I have my own complaints with Hellgate, but I would just wouldn't call it garbage. I take the same position with Fallout 3, and I'm a huge Fallout fan. Many people are bashing it, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, even with various concerns. It works both ways. You call people fanbois, but aren't what you doing the same thing? Judging a game before the fact? That's what fanbois do, but in the other direction. Where's the middle ground?

mismajor99

Middle ground would be allowing a few posts stating a dislike of a game to slide by without resorting to insults. This is all the original 2 posters did, and they were flamed for OPINIONS. I tend to side with the underdog and perhaps enjoy a bit of conflict so stepped in.

So what the game isn't out yet... all of that is semantics, anyone involved in the beta or with a good mind to research knows weather or not the game is for them. Worst case, some people buy the game and don't like it... oh well. Personally, I feel the game is garbage... barring all else... for pushing the teired multiplayer subscription for features that have all been offered in other games for free. Yeah, I know some people justify this fee with content updates... but IMO if the content updates were going to be so great, they wouldn't have to handicap the standard game.

Regardless, this thread has been derailed (and I apologize for my part in that) and is nothing but circlearguments mostly about semantics so this'll be my last post here. Feel free to get in one more flame HG:L fans.