Borderlands 2 with PhysX runs better on HD 7970 than on Gtx 680!

A lot of people don't seem to know that PhysX can be run on your processor even if you own an AMD card. In the case of Borderlands 2 the AMD cards run extremely well with and without PhysX enabled.

"With PhysX set to high, the GTX 680 became 19% slower at 1920x1200, averaging just 60fps instead of 74fps. Surprisingly, the HD 7970 did slightly better dropping 15% from 72fps to 61fps, and as far as we could tell, the PhysX effects looked identical on both brand of cards."

http://www.techspot.com/review/577-borderlands-2-performance/page5.html

I did want to add, though, that results will vary dramatically depending on which CPU you have. Nvidia cards are generally going to perform much better with PhysX enabled. It's just neat that it can run on AMD cards if you have a decent CPU.

I can't imagine nVidia being all too happy about that.

However, it's good that just because Borderlands 2 was an 'nVidia, the way it's meant to be played' title the devs did not ignore AMD optimization.

EDIT: Ah, they used a 3960X... That explains it a bit. Still great news for AMD owners, but this should't be blown out of proportion.

I can't imagine nVidia being all too happy about that.

However, it's good that just because Borderlands 2 was an 'nVidia, the way it's meant to be played' title the devs did not ignore AMD optimization.

EDIT: Ah, they used a 3960X... That explains it a bit. Still great news for AMD owners, but this should't be blown out of proportion.

C_Rule

Yeah I have a 3930k and can play borderlands 2 with physx on high with no issue, I was expecting to need a dedicated card for it but it ran just fine. Kinda cool though

well physx is bull shet anyways. I was expecting this to happen much sooner. But good to know my computer can handle "physx" no problem, even w/o an nvidia card. Also since cpu's are only getting more powerful, nvidia will need to bring out some new propriety BS maybe call it physx "X" and call it a day. Or perhaps nvidia will force devs not to code physx on cpu's. Either way, 2013 is going to be an interesting year.

Nah, I've tested this out; they must have tested it in an area with little physx. At some points my fps was dropping to around 15 with physx set to Medium, I don't even wanna try it on High...

Runs very well on my 680 GTX with physx on high and maxed out graphics settings so far. Almost constant 60 fps even during heavy firefights with lots of particle effects.

Nah, I've tested this out; they must have tested it in an area with little physx. At some points my fps was dropping to around 15 with physx set to Medium, I don't even wanna try it on High...

Postmortem123

[QUOTE="Postmortem123"]

Nah, I've tested this out; they must have tested it in an area with little physx. At some points my fps was dropping to around 15 with physx set to Medium, I don't even wanna try it on High...

C_Rule

7970@ 1200Mhz 2500k @ 4Ghz.

The CPU is holding me back a bit I guess.

Let's not get too excited about this. They used a 3960x for a CPU in this test. 2 extra Sandy Bridge-E cores. These are not the results that 98% of us would get.

[QUOTE="C_Rule"][QUOTE="Postmortem123"]

Nah, I've tested this out; they must have tested it in an area with little physx. At some points my fps was dropping to around 15 with physx set to Medium, I don't even wanna try it on High...

Postmortem123

7970@ 1200Mhz 2500k @ 4Ghz.

The CPU is holding me back a bit I guess.

their cpu is beyond what most poeple will ever have, of course it runs fine. The average person isn't going to be seeing such great performance if they're using an AMD card

I have a 6950 crossfire setup with a 2500k at 4.3Ghz and can't even run it on medium. I just leave it on low and stay locked at 60fps most of the time. The PhysX effects do look really cool though.BPoole96

doesn't matter if you have crossfire or quad fire, physx is only run on the cpu if you have radeon graphics. Hopefully, my core i7 is strong enough to run physx at high or medium like the hex core sandy bridge.

well physx is bull shet anyways. I was expecting this to happen much sooner. But good to know my computer can handle "physx" no problem, even w/o an nvidia card. Also since cpu's are only getting more powerful, nvidia will need to bring out some new propriety BS maybe call it physx "X" and call it a day. Or perhaps nvidia will force devs not to code physx on cpu's. Either way, 2013 is going to be an interesting year.

blaznwiipspman1

Nah, I've tested this out; they must have tested it in an area with little physx. At some points my fps was dropping to around 15 with physx set to Medium, I don't even wanna try it on High...

Postmortem123

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]I have a 6950 crossfire setup with a 2500k at 4.3Ghz and can't even run it on medium. I just leave it on low and stay locked at 60fps most of the time. The PhysX effects do look really cool though.blaznwiipspman1

doesn't matter if you have crossfire or quad fire, physx is only run on the cpu if you have radeon graphics. Hopefully, my core i7 is strong enough to run physx at high or medium like the hex core sandy bridge.

Sounds like we need moar coars after all

Sounds like we need moar coars after all

GummiRaccoon

I like the way all these AMD fanboys are always saying how crap and sh|tty physx is..........now they can run it a little bit they are wetting their pants with excitment :lol:

I like the way all these AMD fanboys are always saying how crap and sh|tty physx is..........now they can run it a little bit they are wetting their pants with excitment :lol:jonleeprice

PhysX on Borderlands 2 is extremely impressive, some of the effects had me droolingWWIAB

The PhysX effectsdo look really cool though.BPoole96

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]I have a 6950 crossfire setup with a 2500k at 4.3Ghz and can't even run it on medium. I just leave it on low and stay locked at 60fps most of the time. The PhysX effects do look really cool though.blaznwiipspman1

doesn't matter if you have crossfire or quad fire, physx is only run on the cpu if you have radeon graphics. Hopefully, my core i7 is strong enough to run physx at high or medium like the hex core sandy bridge.

Your Hyperthreading isn't going to help you.

I like the way all these AMD fanboys are always saying how crap and sh|tty physx is..........now they can run it a little bit they are wetting their pants with excitment :lol:

jonleeprice

I was just thinking that and laughing to myself. It's hilarious.

I like the way all these AMD fanboys are always saying how crap and sh|tty physx is..........now they can run it a little bit they are wetting their pants with excitment :lol:

jonleeprice

[QUOTE="jonleeprice"]

I like the way all these AMD fanboys are always saying how crap and sh|tty physx is..........now they can run it a little bit they are wetting their pants with excitment :lol:

Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="jonleeprice"]

Yet there is still no point to it, currently. Notice what people in this thread said about it....

[QUOTE="WWIAB"]PhysX on Borderlands 2 is extremely impressive, some of the effects had me droolingLordEC911

The PhysX effectsdo look really cool though.BPoole96

[QUOTE="jonleeprice"]

Yet there is still no point to it, currently. Notice what people in this thread said about it....

[QUOTE="WWIAB"]PhysX on Borderlands 2 is extremely impressive, some of the effects had me droolingLordEC911

The PhysX effectsdo look really cool though.BPoole96

Yes they are a gimmick feature, just like many graphic effects. But they're a real cool gimmick imo.

There's something oddly satisfying about all these particles lying around after having an intense gunfight.

How does the Physx work with AMD cards? isn't the option normally greyed out for AMD owners in most games?

i don't own the game so im curious.

Just watched this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU

I swear im really starting to regret getting the 7970 on release day and not waiting for the 680. Physx use to seem like such a gimick before, but those liquid physx look immense.

How does the Physx work with AMD cards? isn't the option normally greyed out for AMD owners in most games?

i don't own the game so im curious.

Just watched this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU

I swear im really starting to regret getting the 7970 on release day and not waiting for the 680. Physx use to seem like such a gimick before, but those liquid physx look immense.

ashtontheguru

[QUOTE="ashtontheguru"]

How does the Physx work with AMD cards? isn't the option normally greyed out for AMD owners in most games?

i don't own the game so im curious.

Just watched this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU

I swear im really starting to regret getting the 7970 on release day and not waiting for the 680. Physx use to seem like such a gimick before, but those liquid physx look immense.

Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="ashtontheguru"]

How does the Physx work with AMD cards? isn't the option normally greyed out for AMD owners in most games?

i don't own the game so im curious.

Just watched this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU

I swear im really starting to regret getting the 7970 on release day and not waiting for the 680. Physx use to seem like such a gimick before, but those liquid physx look immense.

Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="ashtontheguru"]

How does the Physx work with AMD cards? isn't the option normally greyed out for AMD owners in most games?

i don't own the game so im curious.

Just watched this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU

I swear im really starting to regret getting the 7970 on release day and not waiting for the 680. Physx use to seem like such a gimick before, but those liquid physx look immense.

ashtontheguru

Yeah you can enable it from the menu.

I like the way all these AMD fanboys are always saying how crap and sh|tty physx is..........now they can run it a little bit they are wetting their pants with excitment :lol:

jonleeprice

[QUOTE="jonleeprice"]

I like the way all these AMD fanboys are always saying how crap and sh|tty physx is..........now they can run it a little bit they are wetting their pants with excitment :lol:

ronvalencia

The results are bad because its only 8 integer cores, and all the physics is really floating point math (and bulldozer has only 4 floating point units), which would be no better than an i5.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="jonleeprice"]

I like the way all these AMD fanboys are always saying how crap and sh|tty physx is..........now they can run it a little bit they are wetting their pants with excitment :lol:

way2funny

The results are bad because its only 8 integer cores, and all the physics is really floating point math (and bulldozer has only 4 floating point units), which would be no better than an i5.

Note that AMD Bulldozer 8 core has 8 FMA FP(can do both FMUL or FADD) units. To process FMA type workoads, normal X87/SSE/AVX has to run two instructions. Not a big problem for SandyBridge's instructions issue rate.

Bulldozer's 8 FMA units is wasted for split FADD and FMUL instructions i.e. acts like 4 core CPU with split FMUL and FADD setup.

RISC processors such as PowerPC supports FMA from the start.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="jonleeprice"]

I like the way all these AMD fanboys are always saying how crap and sh|tty physx is..........now they can run it a little bit they are wetting their pants with excitment :lol:

04dcarraher

Note that they didn't use the standard MS Direct Compute for physics type processing.

Horizontal compute bias GPUs has near zero benefits for lightweight DirectX 9c rendering games.

Borderlands 2 runs flawlessly for me until I turn the physX up from low. I get around 30fps with it dipping under in action parts on High. So those that were wondering if Phenom II Six Core CPUs would run PhysX on High well, the answer is no. I still have yet to try it on medium.

EDIT: even on medium it's almost unplayable.

How does the Physx work with AMD cards? isn't the option normally greyed out for AMD owners in most games?

i don't own the game so im curious.

Just watched this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU

I swear im really starting to regret getting the 7970 on release day and not waiting for the 680. Physx use to seem like such a gimick before, but those liquid physx look immense.

ashtontheguru

I was reallly suprised how well physx in bl2 runs on CPU. I can run it on medium over 30fps with my mediocre athlon 640

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hzZKfWTgbs

I was reallly suprised how well physx in bl2 runs on CPU. I can run it on medium over 30fps with my mediocre athlon 640

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hzZKfWTgbs

ferret-gamer

Hey that's not bad at all. I don't have the game yet, but I wonder how it will run on my i5 2500k.

Obviously Physx is going to perform much, much better on an Nvidia card. But it's kind of cool that owners of AMD cards don't necessarily have to miss out on the seeing Physx effects if it interests them. It's a nice little bonus in some games, but I still think it isn't a huge deal. It's used in few games and some games have performance issues with Physx enabled.

I was reallly suprised how well physx in bl2 runs on CPU. I can run it on medium over 30fps with my mediocre athlon 640

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hzZKfWTgbs

ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

I was reallly suprised how well physx in bl2 runs on CPU. I can run it on medium over 30fps with my mediocre athlon 640

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hzZKfWTgbs

kalipekona

Hey that's not bad at all. I don't have the game yet, but I wonder how it will run on my i5 2500k.

Obviously Physx is going to perform much, much better on an Nvidia card. But it's kind of cool that owners of AMD cards don't necessarily have to miss out on the seeing Physx effects if it interests them. It's a nice little bonus in some games, but I still think it isn't a huge deal. It's used in few games and some games have performance issues with Physx enabled.

I have my 2500k at 4.3Ghz and it still will dip into the 30s on medium. I dont consider it playable since the frame rate will constantly be fluctuating during a fight. It will go from 60 to 35 back to 60 in a matter of seconds. It really affects my aiming so I just leave it on low

On one hand you have the GTX680 rendering the graphics AND performing the physX calculations, on the other you have the HD 7970 rendering the graphics while a ridiculously expensive CPU does the physX processing, yet it only just comes out on top.PernicioEnigma

its a good thing that physx can be run on any hardware...barely any games use it and the effects are usually minimal, but now maybe more developers will be more interested in using it, so this is a good thing overall. I want to see how borderlands 2 physics run on a core i7 3770k,should be interesting.

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]On one hand you have the GTX680 rendering the graphics AND performing the physX calculations, on the other you have the HD 7970 rendering the graphics while a ridiculously expensive CPU does the physX processing, yet it only just comes out on top.blaznwiipspman1

its a good thing that physx can be run on any hardware...barely any games use it and the effects are usually minimal, but now maybe more developers will be more interested in using it, so this is a good thing overall. I want to see how borderlands 2 physics run on a core i7 3770k,should be interesting.

I can actually run PysX on Medium most of the time. In some really intense fights it will destroy my FPS but for the most part it stays at 60 or slightly below. I get crazy frame rates with it on though. Like anything ranging from 110 to 30 in the most intense fights. Toxic-Seahorse

In that case I will probably just cap the framerate at a solid 30fps if I choose to play with PhysX enabled.