IPS vs LED-LCD vs LCD

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#1 Posted by -tears-run-red- (617 posts) -

Anyone know how much of a noticeable difference I would see from gaming on a regular 1680x1050 LCD to a 1080p IPS Monitor?

#2 Posted by XaosII (16563 posts) -

None of those technologies are mutually exclusive because they are all related to different parts of a screen.

LCD is the type of technology. IPS is the type of panel being used in the LCD screen. LED is the type of lighting used. You can have an LCD screen with an IPS panel and LED backlighting.

I think you would see quite a difference since its not only a resolution boost, but an image quaity boost due to an IPS having better colors and much better viewing angles.

#3 Posted by Ondoval (3103 posts) -

Anyone know how much of a noticeable difference I would see from gaming on a regular 1680x1050 LCD to a 1080p IPS Monitor?

-tears-run-red-

There's basically 3 kind of LCD technology: TN, MVA and IPS.

TN are the most common; the only advantage they have is that are very fast (under 5 ms in time of response) and extremely cheap to produce. In the bad part, they only use a video signal of 6 bit per chanel R, G, B, whereas the other two uses 8-10 bit per channel. They have a poor color gamut, narrow viewing angles and mediocre contrast. They are also in the 95% of the PC displays sold. Due are fast, all of the 3D monitors use TN panels to bring 120 Hz.

MVA both support either 8 or 10 bit per channel, their gamut is much better, the contrast and angles of view are excellent and the price much higher. The MVA are a bit slow (sometyimes ghosting in games) wereas IPS are way faster (around 10-20 ms, but not as faster as TN). Currently MVAs are very rare and the market has move towards mainstream with TN (if you wand low cost, fast response and maybe 3D) and high end with IPS variants (high prices, superb quality, no 3D).

#4 Posted by fishing666 (2113 posts) -
big diff especially if you're coming from the same screen size
#5 Posted by Kinthalis (5306 posts) -

I always say the things you should spend the most money on in your PC build as a serious PC gamer are your monitor, your case, and your PSU, in that order.

The monitor is where you experience all of the goodness that is PC gaming. An IPS panel is your best bet, but it's also VERY expensive.

I've been drooling over the apple cinema and the Dell IPS 30" panels, but I just can't afford $1,000 for one.

Maybe if I win the lottery :)

#6 Posted by Gambler_3 (7548 posts) -

IPS LCD is infinitely superior to 60hz TN LCD's.

However IPS LCD's have inferior contrast to PVA and thus in my opinion inferior image quality for gaming purposes. Unfortunately PVA has bad viewing angles which is why I have IPS LCD cuz I cant stand bad viewing angles.

#7 Posted by WiiRocks66 (3488 posts) -

IPS LCD is infinitely superior to 60hz TN LCD's.

However IPS LCD's have inferior contrast to PVA and thus in my opinion inferior image quality for gaming purposes. Unfortunately PVA has bad viewing angles which is why I have IPS LCD cuz I cant stand bad viewing angles.

Gambler_3
I can't stand VA panels due to the terrible color trail ghosting. I've never seen a VA monitor/TV without noticeable ghosting.
#8 Posted by C_Rule (9739 posts) -
Where does TFT fit into everything?
#9 Posted by GTR12 (9222 posts) -

Where does TFT fit into everything?C_Rule

TFT is a monitor technology, not a panel technology, its similar to LCD but thinner.

#11 Posted by C_Rule (9739 posts) -

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]Where does TFT fit into everything?GTR12

TFT is a monitor technology, not a panel technology, its similar to LCD but thinner.

Ah, I see. Apparently mine is TN. Nothing wrong with the viewing angle, I cannot imagine why you would want better.
#12 Posted by GTR12 (9222 posts) -

Ah, I see. Apparently mine is TN. Nothing wrong with the viewing angle, I cannot imagine why you would want better.C_Rule

Imagine it this way, 60" TV thats a TN panel with 5/6 of your friends around, some will see the picture clearly whilst others won't. Same goes for a monitor if you got 2 people and your watching a movie/playing a game.

#15 Posted by C_Rule (9739 posts) -

[QUOTE="C_Rule"] Ah, I see. Apparently mine is TN. Nothing wrong with the viewing angle, I cannot imagine why you would want better.GTR12

Imagine it this way, 60" TV thats a TN panel with 5/6 of your friends around, some will see the picture clearly whilst others won't. Same goes for a monitor if you got 2 people and your watching a movie/playing a game.



Yes, I know. But, my monitor, which is TN, is clear to a near 180° angle.

Maybe it's cause ASUS just own so much.8)

#16 Posted by Gambler_3 (7548 posts) -

[QUOTE="GTR12"]

[QUOTE="C_Rule"] Ah, I see. Apparently mine is TN. Nothing wrong with the viewing angle, I cannot imagine why you would want better.C_Rule

Imagine it this way, 60" TV thats a TN panel with 5/6 of your friends around, some will see the picture clearly whilst others won't. Same goes for a monitor if you got 2 people and your watching a movie/playing a game.



Yes, I know. But, my monitor, which is TN, is clear to a near 180° angle.

Maybe it's cause ASUS just own so much.8)

:|

It's the contrast and colours that suffer, it's not like the screen would suddenly show blank from an off angle.

No TN monitor in existence has good viewing angles yours being no exception.

#17 Posted by C_Rule (9739 posts) -

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]

[QUOTE="GTR12"]

Imagine it this way, 60" TV thats a TN panel with 5/6 of your friends around, some will see the picture clearly whilst others won't. Same goes for a monitor if you got 2 people and your watching a movie/playing a game.

Gambler_3



Yes, I know. But, my monitor, which is TN, is clear to a near 180° angle.

Maybe it's cause ASUS just own so much.8)

:|

It's the contrast and colours that suffer, it's not like the screen would suddenly show blank from an off angle.

No TN monitor in existence has good viewing angles yours being no exception.


Well, I'm sitting infront of a TN monitor with a good viewing angle, so I will respectfully disagree. Colours are fine, too.

#18 Posted by NamelessPlayer (7729 posts) -

Well, I'm sitting infront of a TN monitor with a good viewing angle, so I will respectfully disagree. Colours are fine, too.

C_Rule
Try shifting your head vertically off-axis. Better yet, try looking at it in portrait orientation, if the stand allows for it. You might notice that the colors sort of overexpose/whiten significantly in one direction and invert badly in the other. It's an inherent flaw of all TN panels, and not something I have tolerance for as a person who uses a TrackIR every so often. IPS and AFFS panels don't do that. They might have a bit of color shift in the blacks, but that's it. Still largely readable and consistent, with maybe a slight loss in brightness as you go off-axis. (And CRTs, plasma panels, and OLED displays don't even have that problem...) But if you keep your head relatively straight and don't move much while using your computer, you probably wouldn't notice, so it wouldn't be a big incentive for you to pay up for IPS.
#19 Posted by James161324 (8315 posts) -

I have used lcd, and led, i got to say i like the led better. Doesn't get as hot either

#20 Posted by Hellsing2o2 (3503 posts) -

[QUOTE="-tears-run-red-"]

Anyone know how much of a noticeable difference I would see from gaming on a regular 1680x1050 LCD to a 1080p IPS Monitor?

Ondoval

There's basically 3 kind of LCD technology: TN, MVA and IPS.

TN are the most common; the only advantage they have is that are very fast (under 5 ms in time of response) and extremely cheap to produce. In the bad part, they only use a video signal of 6 bit per chanel R, G, B, whereas the other two uses 8-10 bit per channel. They have a poor color gamut, narrow viewing angles and mediocre contrast. They are also in the 95% of the PC displays sold. Due are fast, all of the 3D monitors use TN panels to bring 120 Hz.

MVA both support either 8 or 10 bit per channel, their gamut is much better, the contrast and angles of view are excellent and the price much higher. The MVA are a bit slow (sometyimes ghosting in games) wereas IPS are way faster (around 10-20 ms, but not as faster as TN). Currently MVAs are very rare and the market has move towards mainstream with TN (if you wand low cost, fast response and maybe 3D) and high end with IPS variants (high prices, superb quality, no 3D).

To be honest, I don't think TN panels are quite as bad as they are made out to be, sure they are not perfect, but they still look great. My new TN Acer is lightyears better then my old TN Syncmaster in every department. Of course I use my PC for gaming, and regular use.

#21 Posted by Makari (15250 posts) -
[QUOTE="C_Rule"]

Well, I'm sitting infront of a TN monitor with a good viewing angle, so I will respectfully disagree. Colours are fine, too.

NamelessPlayer
Try shifting your head vertically off-axis. Better yet, try looking at it in portrait orientation, if the stand allows for it. You might notice that the colors sort of overexpose/whiten significantly in one direction and invert badly in the other. It's an inherent flaw of all TN panels, and not something I have tolerance for as a person who uses a TrackIR every so often. IPS and AFFS panels don't do that. They might have a bit of color shift in the blacks, but that's it. Still largely readable and consistent, with maybe a slight loss in brightness as you go off-axis. (And CRTs, plasma panels, and OLED displays don't even have that problem...) But if you keep your head relatively straight and don't move much while using your computer, you probably wouldn't notice, so it wouldn't be a big incentive for you to pay up for IPS.

The colors are also washed out on the top of the screen where they aren't towards the bottom if your TN's of a decently large size *and* you already know how a given image/site is supposed to look. Most people I know already adjusted to a TN's look and don't realize anything is amiss until they've used a non-TN for a few weeks.