Would you circumsize your son ?

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gota love these brave athiests on ze computer, why so insecure and defensive?

MrPraline

Probably. It is just the norm these days.

SouL-Tak3R

It does not self lubricate and can rip and tear, causing bleeding, infections, and hemoroides (among other issues).ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]This has been suggested but never proven. Most experts claim being circumcised or uncircumcised has no effect on one's sexual enjoyment or of their partner, nor is it proven that it creates a seal for the vagina or anus (the latter of which is not designed for sex to begin with).Zeviander

Though many men who go from being uncut to cut report higher feelings of sexual pleasuer and some studies have found that cut men are less likely to have erectile dysfuntion later in life.ShadowMoses900

*article* ShadowMoses900

Everything I am saying I am backing up with proof. To call what I am saying nonsense is to be calling the CDC, WHO, and the majority of medical doctors nonsense. Are you suggesting you know more than they do? Didn't think so. The only one who is spewing nonsense here is you.ShadowMoses900

I'm sorry but the CDC, WHO, and majority of medical doctors are the authority and to argue otherwise is just stupid. If your doctor said you have cancer, are you going to argue otherwise? If the CDC says there is a new disease outbreak and you should be vaccinated, are you going to argue otherwise? If the WHO says you should do certain things to live longer are you going to argue otherwise?

I'm sorry but they are experts and you are not. No one is going to listen to you, you simply do not know what you are talking about. These organizations do, and anyone who lives in reality knows they are credible. These organizations know what they are talking about, they have saved countless lives. You do not, you don't do anything. You cannot argue against the facts.

I present the facts and you still deny it, ironically you are just like the fundamental creationists that you so oppose, who deny evidence even when it is shoved in their face. You are no different really, just as closed minded.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

gota love these brave athiests on ze computer, why so insecure and defensive?

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"] It does not self lubricate and can rip and tear, causing bleeding, infections, and hemoroides (among other issues).Zeviander

Yes, but strictly for sanitary reasons...not because it falls in line with church doctrine.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]This has been suggested but never proven. Most experts claim being circumcised or uncircumcised has no effect on one's sexual enjoyment or of their partner, nor is it proven that it creates a seal for the vagina or anus (the latter of which is not designed for sex to begin with).ShadowMoses900

Though many men who go from being uncut to cut report higher feelings of sexual pleasuer and some studies have found that cut men are less likely to have erectile dysfuntion later in life.ShadowMoses900

*article* ShadowMoses900

Everything I am saying I am backing up with proof. To call what I am saying nonsense is to be calling the CDC, WHO, and the majority of medical doctors nonsense. Are you suggesting you know more than they do? Didn't think so. The only one who is spewing nonsense here is you.ShadowMoses900

I'm sorry but the CDC, WHO, and majority of medical doctors are the authority and to argue otherwise is just stupid. If your doctor said you have cancer, are you going to argue otherwise? If the CDC says there is a new disease outbreak and you should be vaccinated, are you going to argue otherwise? If the WHO says you should do certain things to live longer are you going to argue otherwise?

I'm sorry but they are experts and you are not. No one is going to listen to you, you simply do not know what you are talking about. These organizations do, and anyone who lives in reality knows they are credible. These organizations know what they are talking about, they have saved countless lives. You do not, you don't do anything. You cannot argue against the facts.

I present the facts and you still deny it, ironically you are just like the fundamental creationists that you so oppose, who deny evidence even when it is shoved in their face. You are no different really, just as closed minded.

Im curious about people who use "babys choice" as a reason against circumcision. Do you not give your baby the proper vaccinations because it should be the babys choice? If it had a deformity like extra boneless fingers/arms/legs, would you wait for it to get oldenough to make its own decisions about whether or not it should get rid of them? Seems silly to me. Its a parents job to make those decisions for it, is it not? Capitan_Kid

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"] A fundamentalist Muslim siding with a Jew to argue against the mean posters. LOL. That's so beautiful and cute they should make an Oscar winning film. < 3MrPraline

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Once again, you need to learn the facts.

Circumcision

Male circumcision for HIV prevention - World Health Organization

CDC - Male Circumcision

Also this is proof that circumcision is a more healthy choice: Circumcision in Africa reduces HIV transmission - Los Angeles Times

These are all the facts. You cannot argue against them. Not choosing to cirumcise your baby boys is your choice, however it would be in their best interest for them to be circumcised. The benefits are great.

ShadowMoses900

You clearly did not read the links. They show far more benefits than that.

Are you suggesting you know better than the World Health Organization, the Center for Disease Control, and the majority of medical doctors? No? Didn't think so. You are unfit to argue against circumcision. You are not an expert, they are. They know more than you and everyone else in this thread.

So if they say that circumcisoin has numerous health benefits, then it's recommended that you listen to them.

How does anything you posted justify the procedure of neonatal circumcision? The health benefits are weak at best and most reputable health organizations don't condone the routine neonatal circumcision of babies; Stating that the possible health benefits are not sufficient to justify the procedure especially in light of the possible risks of the operation. Show me where the organizations you listed recommend routine neonatal circumcision.

It always amazes me how people fail to see the true reason for the procedure, It is on reasons other then medical. If it wasn't the case that such things have been practiced for thousands of years then it would never occur or be argued for today. There is also serious health risks involved in keeping your appendix and tonsils but know one is advocating their removal at birth even though they pose a far greater health risk then your foreskin.

The possible reduction of HIV infection is negligible and unprotected sex in Africa for circumcised males still poses a high risk of infection. Circumcision is not an alternative to condoms, Which happen to provide equal protection to both the circumcised or not.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"] It does not self lubricate and can rip and tear, causing bleeding, infections, and hemoroides (among other issues).Zeviander

Health risks of Anal Sex

If wikipedia isn't credible to you (which admittedly it does have some problems) then read this from a reliable medical source: Anal Sex Safety and Health Concerns

From the link:

Anal sex has a number of health risks. Anal intercourse is the riskiest form of sexual activity for several reasons, including the following:

• The anus lacks the natural lubrication the vagina has. Penetration can tear the tissue inside the anus, allowing bacteria and viruses to enter the bloodstream. This can result in the spread of sexually transmitted infections including HIV. Studies have suggested that anal exposure to HIV poses 30 times more risk for the receptive partner than vaginal exposure. Exposure to the human papillomavirus (HPV) may also lead to the development of anal warts and anal cancer. Using lubricants can help some, but doesn't completely prevent tearing.
• The tissue inside the anus is not as well protected as the skin outside theanus.Our external tissue has layers of dead cells that serve as a protective barrier against infection. The tissue inside the anus does not have this natural protection, which leaves it vulnerable to tearing and the spread of infection.
• The anus was designed to hold in feces. The anus is surrounded with a ring-like muscle, called the anal sphincter, which tightens after we defecate. When the muscle is tight, anal penetration can be painful and difficult. Repetitive anal sex may lead to weakening of the anal sphincter, making it difficult to hold in feces until you can get to the toilet. However, Kegel exercises to strengthen the sphincter may help prevent this problem or correct it.
• The anus is full of bacteria. Even if both partners do not have a sexually-transmitted infection or disease, bacteria normally in the anus can potentially infect the giving partner. Practicing vaginal sex after anal sex can also lead to vaginal and urinary tract infections.

Anal sex can carry other risks as well. Oral contact with the anus can put both partners at risk for hepatitis, herpes, HPV, and other infections. For heterosexual couples, pregnancy can occur if semen is deposited near the opening to the vagina.

Even though serious injury from anal sex is not common, it can occur. Bleeding after anal sex could be due to a hemorrhoid or tear, or something more serious such as a perforation (hole) in the colon. This is a dangerous problem that requires immediate medical attention. Treatment involves a hospital stay, surgery, and antibiotics to prevent infection.

Sorry son. Looks like you just got served. Don't argue against the facts next time, it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. Now I am not saying people should not engage in anal sex if they so choose, they are adults and can make their own decisions, they just better be willing to deal with the many consequences that come from such a choice.

How the flying fvck did this topic turn into about anal sex

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[QUOTE="Zeviander"] More appeals to authority. I already have you a link to the Canadian Pediatric Society saying circumcision is not medically necessary or recommended as a routine procedure. Are you blind, or just stupid? This is a fairly large authority that DISAGREES with the WHO. Does that not make you question their (the WHO's) judgement in making their statements? Come on man... you can't be this idiotic.MrPraline

I'm sorry but the CDC, WHO, and majority of medical doctors are the authority and to argue otherwise is just stupid. If your doctor said you have cancer, are you going to argue otherwise? If the CDC says there is a new disease outbreak and you should be vaccinated, are you going to argue otherwise? If the WHO says you should do certain things to live longer are you going to argue otherwise?

I'm sorry but they are experts and you are not. No one is going to listen to you, you simply do not know what you are talking about. These organizations do, and anyone who lives in reality knows they are credible. These organizations know what they are talking about, they have saved countless lives. You do not, you don't do anything. You cannot argue against the facts.

I present the facts and you still deny it, ironically you are just like the fundamental creationists that you so oppose, who deny evidence even when it is shoved in their face. You are no different really, just as closed minded.

I think the WHO, CDC, and majority of medical doctors know the facts. To argue against them is just stupid.

How the flying fvck did this topic turn into about anal sex

GrayF0X786

Lol Zeviander brought it up.

How the flying fvck did this topic turn into about anal sex

GrayF0X786

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How the flying fvck did this topic turn into about anal sex

ShadowMoses900

Lol Zeviander brought it up.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] ooooooohhhh :o "fundamentalist" Muslims :lol: did you also call your maths teacher in high school a fundementalist maths teacher? rofl at the names they teach you from the tv box, oh right sorry i forgot you dont listen to them right...

GrayF0X786

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How the flying fvck did this topic turn into about anal sex

MrPraline

gota love these brave athiests on ze computer, why so insecure and defensive? if you want to live your life like a brain dead fish on dry land then so be it, no need to attack ways of life.

GrayF0X786

plenty of prophets that didn't f*ck 9 year olds.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

How the flying fvck did this topic turn into about anal sex

shadowkiller11

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm sorry but the CDC, WHO, and majority of medical doctors are the authority and to argue otherwise is just stupid. If your doctor said you have cancer, are you going to argue otherwise? If the CDC says there is a new disease outbreak and you should be vaccinated, are you going to argue otherwise? If the WHO says you should do certain things to live longer are you going to argue otherwise?

I'm sorry but they are experts and you are not. No one is going to listen to you, you simply do not know what you are talking about. These organizations do, and anyone who lives in reality knows they are credible. These organizations know what they are talking about, they have saved countless lives. You do not, you don't do anything. You cannot argue against the facts.

I present the facts and you still deny it, ironically you are just like the fundamental creationists that you so oppose, who deny evidence even when it is shoved in their face. You are no different really, just as closed minded.

ShadowMoses900

I think the WHO, CDC, and majority of medical doctors know the facts. To argue against them is just stupid.

You are seeing the answer you wish to see. These people and organizations you think are supporting your case a merely putting forward the current medical facts of the procedure, That is not advocation for neonatal circumcision.

I wonder if its weird for euro types watching all the uncircumcised dicks in american porn.pie-junior

I wonder if its weird for euro types watching all the uncircumcised dicks in american porn.pie-junior

I'd hate it if there were more uncut dicks in porn

Would totes ruin my boner

I'm sorry but they are experts and you are not. No one is going to listen to you, you simply do not know what you are talking about. These organizations do, and anyone who lives in reality knows they are credible. These organizations know what they are talking about, they have saved countless lives. You do not, you don't do anything. You cannot argue against the facts.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]I wonder if its weird for euro types watching all the uncircumcised dicks in american porn.Jazz_Fan

I'd hate it if there were more uncut dicks in porn

Would totes ruin my boner

.Looks like you just got served.ShadowMoses900

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[QUOTE="pie-junior"]I wonder if its weird for euro types watching all the uncircumcised dicks in american porn.MrPraline

I'd hate it if there were more uncut dicks in porn

Would totes ruin my boner

Nah, I'm not really into hairy women

Seriously, an uncut dick looks like it's getting choked to deathJazz_Fan

So you support neonatal circumcision on cosmetic grounds?

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Jazz_Fan"]

I'd hate it if there were more uncut dicks in porn

Would totes ruin my boner

Jazz_Fan

Nah, I'm not really into hairy women

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"].Looks like you just got served.Zeviander

[QUOTE="Jazz_Fan"]Seriously, an uncut dick looks like it's getting choked to deathmattisgod01

So you support neonatal circumcision on cosmetic grounds?

Nope, just having been circumcised it looks weird to me

I'm not that foolish, Matty boy

and that realization wasn't porn related!MrPraline

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[QUOTE="Jazz_Fan"]Seriously, an uncut dick looks like it's getting choked to deathJazz_Fan

So you support neonatal circumcision on cosmetic grounds?

Nope, just having been circumcised it looks weird to me

I'm not that foolish, Matty boy

I'd hope not but you never know with people on OT.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]and that realization wasn't porn related!pie-junior

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I don't. Fundie part was added to highlight the silliness of you siding with him despite your beliefs. But okay. My math teacher wasn't a fundamentalist. He was gayMrPraline

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]I wonder if its weird for euro types watching all the uncircumcised dicks in american porn.Jazz_Fan

I'd hate it if there were more uncut dicks in porn

Would totes ruin my boner

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I'm sorry but they are experts and you are not. No one is going to listen to you, you simply do not know what you are talking about. These organizations do, and anyone who lives in reality knows they are credible. These organizations know what they are talking about, they have saved countless lives. You do not, you don't do anything. You cannot argue against the facts.Zeviander

It's an opinion on wether or not one should circumcise their children, it is a fact that it is in the childs best health interest. You are probably not even in a university, as you clearly are trying to argue with the facts. Presenting facts and evidence is what you do in a debate, I have done all of this, everything I claim I back up.

You just simply choose not to accept them because you don't want to keep an open mind, you don't back up anything you clai with the evidence like I do. Now you may be more popular on here than I am, but in real life my arguments have far more merit and power than yours.

And really, argiuing against the CDC, World Health Organization, and the majority of the medical community is just absurd. Not going to argue with you further, you are like a brick wall, choosing to ignore the facts.

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[QUOTE="pie-junior"]I wonder if its weird for euro types watching all the uncircumcised dicks in american porn.pie-junior

I'd hate it if there were more uncut dicks in porn

Would totes ruin my boner

The irony here is that Zeviander DID post "facts", only they disagree with Shadowmoses's narrative and thus he believes they are void. lol hypocrisy at its finest.

And really, argiuing against the CDC, World Health Organization, and the majority of the medical community is just absurd.ShadowMoses900

The irony here is that Zeviander DID post "facts", only they disagree with Shadowmoses's narrative and thus he believes they are void. lol hypocrisy at its finest.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] i am not siding with anyone here, i just find it hard (no pun intended) to relate with someone who can pick up a fvckin table spoon and say it has some sort of creator or designer, but not the very universe itself, you can keep beleiving that the big bang craped us out of its anal then everything came into perfect positions, but thats all you, regardless, you eat the same way as i do, rest during the night, you sheet out your food the way all people do, take benefit from the air, the moon the sun, your eyes to see etc, regardless if you want to reject the creator or not, and best of all, your life will end like all of our lives will end, regardless of your beliefs.

GrayF0X786