@br0kenrabbit said:
@lumzi32 said:
Well i am no expert on translating Greek into English but it seems clear to me he meant it as a real place. The bible (somewhere) even talks about how it was prepared for the Devil and his angels. Was and allegory prepared for the devil and his angels? Are they allegories themselves. If so was the angel Gabriel an allegory when he appeared to both Daniel and Mary? If he was how could Mary have been prophesied to about the virgin birth. Do allegories prophecy? No I think it is clear that it is meant as a real place.
Here's what the original texts say. If you do not pass into heaven, you (and Satan and his angels) will experience a 'second death'. You will be tossed aside as refuse and destroyed. The gift of Christ was 'eternal life'. A life eternal in hell is eternal life, and the damned do not have eternal life, they have death.
“And you shall not be afraid of those who kill the body that are not able to kill the soul; rather be afraid of him who can destroy soul and body in Gehenna.”
Yes, it's an allegory. It's trying to convey total destruction of the being.
Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
How can it be everlasting punishment if they are not concious to experience it.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The above is from Revelation 14 KJV. How can they be totally destroyed if they have no rest day or night? If the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever? It is clear that they haven't been destroyed but that they are enduring their torment. here are some more
Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Matthew 25:41 - Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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