Why does everyone hate on republicans so much??

I think that they wish to be though as that gives them victim status which usually is accompanied by sympathy.

Serraph105

There's a whole boatload of motherf***ers who want to believe they're opressed.

[QUOTE="xLFTMx"]

Because the loud far right conservatives make the republican party look ridiculous. Especially to the mass teens on the internet that only watch the daily show and colbert report and watch bill O'reilly and Glenn Beck make asses of themselves constantly.

joshrocks2245

It's actually funny how people hate on Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck so much because I watch them everyday and they don't seem to be the Obama hating, crazy nutjobs that they are portrayed to be on shows like the daily show or the colbert report. Once in a while Bill might say something that some people may disagree with, then that gets posted on youtube and everyone just hates on him and thinks hes the worst person in the world even though hes only said like 1 thing people disagree with.

despite popular belief Conservatives are not under constant attack. I think that they wish to be though as that gives them victim status which usually is accompanied by sympathy.

Serraph105

I guess you're not familiar with the infamous internal memo's at Fox News.

Here's how a former producer at Fox News, Charlie Reina, put it, "The roots of Fox News Channel's day-to-day on-air bias are actual and direct. They come in the form of an executive memo distributed electronically each morning, addressing what stories will be covered and, often, suggesting how they should be covered. To the newsroom personnel responsible for the channel's daytime programming, The Memo is the bible. If, on any given day, you notice that the Fox anchors seem to be trying to drive a particular point home, you can bet The Memo is behind it."

-Sun_Tzu-

Oh well, doesn't change anything. They're pushing a view-point that was never even given a chance before Fox News came around.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

despite popular belief Conservatives are not under constant attack. I think that they wish to be though as that gives them victim status which usually is accompanied by sympathy.

Ace6301

The old man at Walmart didn't tell me Merry Christmas. Oh lawdy, I'm being oppressed.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

I guess you're not familiar with the infamous internal memo's at Fox News.

Here's how a former producer at Fox News, Charlie Reina, put it, "The roots of Fox News Channel's day-to-day on-air bias are actual and direct. They come in the form of an executive memo distributed electronically each morning, addressing what stories will be covered and, often, suggesting how they should be covered. To the newsroom personnel responsible for the channel's daytime programming, The Memo is the bible. If, on any given day, you notice that the Fox anchors seem to be trying to drive a particular point home, you can bet The Memo is behind it."

airshocker

Oh well, doesn't change anything. They're pushing a view-point that was never even given a chance before Fox News came around.

So what you're saying is that even Nixon was a liberal by Fox News standards.StopThePresses

When was Nixon part of the media?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]

despite popular belief Conservatives are not under constant attack. I think that they wish to be though as that gives them victim status which usually is accompanied by sympathy.

StopThePresses

The old man at Walmart didn't tell me Merry Christmas. Oh lawdy, I'm being oppressed.

How sweet. A guy completely oblivous to religious persecution across Africa, the Middle East, and most of Asia.:) Oh and let's not forget about Best Korea.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]So what you're saying is that even Nixon was a liberal by Fox News standards.airshocker

When was Nixon part of the media?

I really don't know why I even bothered.StopThePresses

Two can play the game of asking ridiculous questions.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I'm personally a big fan of those Christians who say they're oppressed despite being the largest religion in the world and also the most powerful.Storm_Marine

The old man at Walmart didn't tell me Merry Christmas. Oh lawdy, I'm being oppressed.

How sweet. A guy completely oblivous to religious persecution across Africa, the Middle East, and most of Asia. :)

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

I guess you're not familiar with the infamous internal memo's at Fox News.

Here's how a former producer at Fox News, Charlie Reina, put it, "The roots of Fox News Channel's day-to-day on-air bias are actual and direct. They come in the form of an executive memo distributed electronically each morning, addressing what stories will be covered and, often, suggesting how they should be covered. To the newsroom personnel responsible for the channel's daytime programming, The Memo is the bible. If, on any given day, you notice that the Fox anchors seem to be trying to drive a particular point home, you can bet The Memo is behind it."

airshocker

Oh well, doesn't change anything. They're pushing a view-point that was never even given a chance before Fox News came around.

[spoiler] There wasn't. [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]I really don't know why I even bothered.airshocker

Two can play the game of asking ridiculous questions.

You're acting as if there was some great big conservative diaspora before Fox News came along.

There wasn't.

-Sun_Tzu-

Sure does seem like it, sometimes.

Yes, it's well established that you can do that.StopThePresses

Don't sell yourself short, that dubious award also belongs to you. -Pats-

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"] This is the new thing these days: If anyone doesn't specifically pander to the majority group just because they're the majority group then that means that they are being oppressed.

The old man at Walmart didn't tell me Merry Christmas. Oh lawdy, I'm being oppressed.

StopThePresses

How sweet. A guy completely oblivous to religious persecution across Africa, the Middle East, and most of Asia. :)

Now it seems you're completely oblivious to the point I was trying to make as well.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

How sweet. A guy completely oblivous to religious persecution across Africa, the Middle East, and most of Asia. :)

Storm_Marine

Now it seems you're completely oblivious to the point I was trying to make as well.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]Yes, it's well established that you can do that.airshocker

Don't sell yourself short, that dubious award also belongs to you. -Pats-

Your logic is impeccable as always.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"] Yep, all those Walmarts in Africa.StopThePresses

Now it seems you're completely oblivious to the point I was trying to make as well.

I was under the impression we were discussing the religion as a whole in the context of Ace's post.

Yeah, people always elect politicians that hold viewpoints that don't have an outlet. Oh, but they didn't have a CABLE "NEWS" NETWORK specifically dedicated to it. Ergo, their viewpoint had no chance.

Your logic is impeccable as always.

StopThePresses

Oh now you decide to make a point? Jeez, talk about over-complicating things. :)

It all comes down to what you think is fair. MSNBC is heavily biased to the left, and CNN is definitely leaning a bit that way. It's only fair that there should be a cable station for the right. Sorry if that crimps your style.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

You're acting as if there was some great big conservative diaspora before Fox News came along.

There wasn't.

airshocker

Sure does seem like it, sometimes.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]

Yeah, people always elect politicians that hold viewpoints that don't have an outlet. Oh, but they didn't have a CABLE "NEWS" NETWORK specifically dedicated to it. Ergo, their viewpoint had no chance.

Your logic is impeccable as always.

airshocker

Oh now you decide to make a point? Jeez, talk about over-complicating things. :)

It all comes down to what you think is fair. MSNBC is heavily biased to the left, and CNN is definitely leaning a bit that way. It's only fair that there should be a cable station for the right. Sorry if that crimps your style.

As far as conservative media before Fox News came along there was (among many other publications and organizations) the National Review, The American Spectator, The Heritage Foundation, The American Enterprise Institute, The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, the Hoover Institute, and the birth of the modern conservative movement (a movement that Fox News owes its existence to). There really wasn't a lack of conservative media and influence before Fox News. -Sun_Tzu-

But no cable channel. Last time I checked MSNBC came before Fox News.

Yeah, there is nothing wrong with manipulating information and lying to your audience. Totally fair.wolverine4262

What information do they manipulate? I also just showed proof that both MSNBC and Fox News have lied or been mistaken.

I honestly do not know how anyone could possibly swallow the bs that republicans put out. They constantly talk about how we should keep government out of people's business, and yet, they are the ONLY ones that want to restrict personal rights with their anti-abortion,and anti-gay, laws. The hypocrisy stinks. Also, how could you follow a group that would rather only cut spending when the only responsible solution is spending cuts along with tax increases. Many of then want to lower taxes for the top earners ever further! /rantwolverine4262

ARGHHHH. I'm sick of hearing this.

First of all. I'm a Libertarian, I'm fine with legalizing drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, you name it.

Yet...I am Pro-life.

Why is this?

Because.

To me and all other Pro-lifers, the 'fetus' that is aborted, Is a Human Being!

Ergo, to us, abortion is murder.

And to the Libertarian, the right and proper role of the government is to protect Life and Liberty.

And if the fetus is in fact a human being with those rights….

…Wouldn't it make since for the Government to get involved in this and protect that fetus?

ARGHHHH. I'm sick of hearing this.

Storm_Marine

Get used to it, brother. It doesn't get any better.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

ARGHHHH. I'm sick of hearing this.

airshocker

Get used to it, brother. It doesn't get any better.

People just don't have damn clue what the Pro-life position is really about.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Yeah, there is nothing wrong with manipulating information and lying to your audience. Totally fair.airshocker

What information do they manipulate? I also just showed proof that both MSNBC and Fox News have lied or been mistaken.

I honestly didnt go through this entire thread. Manipulating information? How about every single time they edit a video or misquote someone? No, I am not going tto provide links b/c I feel this has been well documented by now. Also, how could you possibly compare Fox and MSNBC? MSNBC is simply trying to cater to an audience, while Fox is misleading its viewers... starting with its fair and balanced slogan...

wolverine4262

I'll be waiting on those links. And that's horse-s***. MSNBC is just as biased as Fox.

ARGHHHH. I'm sick of hearing this.

First of all. I'm a Libertarian, I'm fine with legalizing drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, you name it.

Yet...I am Pro-life.

Why is this?

Because.

To me and all other Pro-lifers, the 'fetus' that is aborted, Is a Human Being!

Ergo, to us, abortion is murder.

And to the Libertarian, the right and proper role of the government is to protect Life and Liberty.

And if the fetus is in fact a human being with those rights….

…Wouldn't it make since for the Government to get involved in this and protect that fetus?

Storm_Marine

ARGHHHH. I'm sick of hearing this.

First of all. I'm a Libertarian, I'm fine with legalizing drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, you name it.

Yet...I am Pro-life.

Why is this?

Because.

To me and all other Pro-lifers, the 'fetus' that is aborted, Is a Human Being!

Ergo, to us, abortion is murder.

And to the Libertarian, the right and proper role of the government is to protect Life and Liberty.

And if the fetus is in fact a human being with those rights….

…Wouldn't it make since for the Government to get involved in this and protect that fetus?

Storm_Marine

The constitution only recognizes the post-natal as people.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]As far as conservative media before Fox News came along there was (among many other publications and organizations) the National Review, The American Spectator, The Heritage Foundation, The American Enterprise Institute, The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, the Hoover Institute, and the birth of the modern conservative movement (a movement that Fox News owes its existence to). There really wasn't a lack of conservative media and influence before Fox News. airshocker

But no cable channel. Last time I checked MSNBC came before Fox News.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

ARGHHHH. I'm sick of hearing this.

First of all. I'm a Libertarian, I'm fine with legalizing drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, you name it.

Yet...I am Pro-life.

Why is this?

Because.

To me and all other Pro-lifers, the 'fetus' that is aborted, Is a Human Being!

Ergo, to us, abortion is murder.

And to the Libertarian, the right and proper role of the government is to protect Life and Liberty.

And if the fetus is in fact a human being with those rights….

…Wouldn't it make since for the Government to get involved in this and protect that fetus?

DroidPhysX

The constitution only recognizes the post-natal as people.

MSNBC, in its current form, did not exist prior to Fox News. As I've already said, in an attempt to increase ratings, MSNBC has tried to replicate the Fox News' model and recreate itself as a sort of quasi-Fox News for liberals. Before this recreation, MSNBC was really just a boring 24-hour offshoot of NBC News (it should also be noted that when MSNBC launched, that the one opinion show that was on MSNBC during the early years was hosted by Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham). But if it hadn't been for Fox News, MSNBC would not exist as it does today. -Sun_Tzu-

Interesting. That I didn't know.

MSNBC, in its current form, did not exist prior to Fox News. As I've already said, in an attempt to increase ratings, MSNBC has tried to replicate the Fox News' model and recreate itself as a sort of quasi-Fox News for liberals. Before this recreation, MSNBC was really just a boring 24-hour offshoot of NBC News (it should also be noted that when MSNBC launched, that the one opinion show that was on MSNBC during the early years was hosted by Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham). But if it hadn't been for Fox News, MSNBC would not exist as it does today. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

I honestly didnt go through this entire thread. Manipulating information? How about every single time they edit a video or misquote someone? No, I am not going tto provide links b/c I feel this has been well documented by now. Also, how could you possibly compare Fox and MSNBC? MSNBC is simply trying to cater to an audience, while Fox is misleading its viewers... starting with its fair and balanced slogan...

airshocker

I'll be waiting on those links. And that's horse-s***. MSNBC is just as biased as Fox.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

ARGHHHH. I'm sick of hearing this.

First of all. I'm a Libertarian, I'm fine with legalizing drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, you name it.

Yet...I am Pro-life.

Why is this?

Because.

To me and all other Pro-lifers, the 'fetus' that is aborted, Is a Human Being!

Ergo, to us, abortion is murder.

And to the Libertarian, the right and proper role of the government is to protect Life and Liberty.

And if the fetus is in fact a human being with those rights….

…Wouldn't it make since for the Government to get involved in this and protect that fetus?

wolverine4262

I'm sure there are people in America that belive rape and murder are a-ok. But US goverment doesn't tolerate either. The whole legitamacy of 'law' rests on the idea that there is something greater and more objective than just random opinions.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

ARGHHHH. I'm sick of hearing this.

First of all. I'm a Libertarian, I'm fine with legalizing drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, you name it.

Yet...I am Pro-life.

Why is this?

Because.

To me and all other Pro-lifers, the 'fetus' that is aborted, Is a Human Being!

Ergo, to us, abortion is murder.

And to the Libertarian, the right and proper role of the government is to protect Life and Liberty.

And if the fetus is in fact a human being with those rights….

…Wouldn't it make since for the Government to get involved in this and protect that fetus?

DroidPhysX

The constitution only recognizes the post-natal as people.

Back in the day Blacks weren't recognized as people and neither were Native Americans. Or do I not remember US history correctly?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

ARGHHHH. I'm sick of hearing this.

First of all. I'm a Libertarian, I'm fine with legalizing drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, you name it.

Yet...I am Pro-life.

Why is this?

Because.

To me and all other Pro-lifers, the 'fetus' that is aborted, Is a Human Being!

Ergo, to us, abortion is murder.

And to the Libertarian, the right and proper role of the government is to protect Life and Liberty.

And if the fetus is in fact a human being with those rights….

…Wouldn't it make since for the Government to get involved in this and protect that fetus?

StopThePresses

The constitution only recognizes the post-natal as people.

The Constitution does not define "person" in so many words. Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment contains three references to "person." The first, in defining "citizens," speaks of "persons born or naturalized in the United States." The word also appears both in the Due Process Clause and in the Equal Protection Clause. "Person" is used in other places in the Constitution: in the listing of qualifications for Representatives and Senators, Art. I, § 2, cl. 2, and § 3, cl. 3; in the Apportionment Clause, Art. I, § 2, cl. 3;[53]in the Migration and Importation provision, Art. I, § 9, cl. 1; in the Emolument Clause, Art. I, § 9, cl. 8; in the Electors provisions, Art. II, § 1, cl. 2, and the superseded cl. 3; in the provision outlining qualifications for the office of President, Art. II, § 1, cl. 5; in the Extradition provisions, Art. IV, § 2, cl. 2, and the superseded Fugitive Slave Clause 3; and in the Fifth, Twelfth, and Twenty-second Amendments, as well as in §§ 2 and 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. But in nearly all these instances, the use of the word is such that it has application only post-natally. None indicates, with any assurance, that it has any possible pre-natal application.

The Majority Opinion of Roe v. Wade.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

ARGHHHH. I'm sick of hearing this.

First of all. I'm a Libertarian, I'm fine with legalizing drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, you name it.

Yet...I am Pro-life.

Why is this?

Because.

To me and all other Pro-lifers, the 'fetus' that is aborted, Is a Human Being!

Ergo, to us, abortion is murder.

And to the Libertarian, the right and proper role of the government is to protect Life and Liberty.

And if the fetus is in fact a human being with those rights….

…Wouldn't it make since for the Government to get involved in this and protect that fetus?

Storm_Marine

The constitution only recognizes the post-natal as people.

What on earth are you talking about?

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

The constitution only recognizes the post-natal as people.

DroidPhysX

What on earth are you talking about?

You're missing the point of my discussion completely.

It's not that. It's that many people will go along with "their" party's opinion almost regardless of what the issue in question is. And I'm not just talking about who they vote for. I mean their stated opinion on any given issue.StopThePresses

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

What on earth are you talking about?

Storm_Marine

You're missing the point of my discussion completely.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Rights (in the U.S.) are only given to citizens of the United States. Fetuses aren't recognized as people let alone citizens of the U.S.DroidPhysX

You're missing the point of my discussion completely.

Just go read my posts.

And when is Wolverine going to hurry up and get back to me?

I'm sure there are people in Americathat belive rape and murder are a-ok.But US govermentdoesn't tolerate either. The whole legitamacy of 'law' rests on the idea that there is something greater and more objective than just random opinions.

Storm_Marine

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

I'm sure there are people in Americathat belive rape and murder are a-ok.But US govermentdoesn't tolerate either. The whole legitamacy of 'law' rests on the idea that there is something greater and more objective than just random opinions.

wolverine4262

Why is it hypocritcal?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

You're missing the point of my discussion completely.

Storm_Marine

Just go read my posts.

And when is Wolverine going to hurry up and get back to me?

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

I'm sure there are people in Americathat belive rape and murder are a-ok.But US govermentdoesn't tolerate either. The whole legitamacy of 'law' rests on the idea that there is something greater and more objective than just random opinions.

Storm_Marine

Why is it hypocritcal?