Why are some people so afraid of the government?

the way i see it, The people shouldn't fear its government, the government should fear its people. and yes that's a V for vendetta quote. :P

Some dont want equality, so theyll say anything to make sure people cant have it.Atheists_Pwn

I disagree. Most people want equality. What we don't want is to be knocked down a peg in order to attain it. Someone who works hard to get where they are shouldn't be punished in order to make everyone equal.

because glenn beck and rush limbaugh tell them

To be scared of a government of your own country is a sign that your government won and you lost. As a libertarian, I perfer a smaller but just government to keep the order in the country but also know its limits to its own power.

There are legitimate reasons to be afraid of any government, but I agree with another poster that I dont think any government is actually evil. I dont view Iran, NKorea or any other despised government as evil either. Governments have interests and will make tough decisions to survive and thrive.

Some may say thats I'm being crazy with such a comment, but I'm almost certain, if there is no break through this century dealing with limited natural resources and population control, governments will take radical, some would say evil, actions to survive. When a government decides that you, Joe blow should only receive the bare minimum to live compared to scientists and engineers who are allocated more, is that evil? I dont think so

Well, throughout documented history, the governments that people have accepted as governance often do things to the common and private people for reasons that elude me such as while building the Great Wall of China or because of the rebellions when the Manchurins invaded the Han Chinese, males had to have their hair like this [spoiler] [/spoiler] to single out rebels. In order to preserve peace, honorable men such as Wong Fei Hung (Jet Li's role pictured) accepted. However, in modern days, people can and still may be singled out and arrested for crimes they are innocent of. This is a site containing such people.

The cases may be incorrectly finalized, one way or the other, but the fact that this occurs so frequenctly by governments, ranked highest or lowest, is disappointing.

If the (USA) Government tries to ban guns that's when I will truly be afraid.

If the (USA) Government tries to ban guns that's when I will truly be afraid.

AHUGECAT

State and local governments have already done that. But at a federal level, guns have yet to be banned and I doubt guns will ever be banned. The 2nd Amendment is too valuable and the NRA is too influential that the federal government would ever ban guns.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]Some dont want equality, so theyll say anything to make sure people cant have it.airshocker

I disagree. Most people want equality. What we don't want is to be knocked down a peg in order to attain it. Someone who works hard to get where they are shouldn't be punished in order to make everyone equal.

I dont know of any group that advocates equality of results, rather equality of opportunity Atheists_Pwn

Ah, you didn't say that in your previous post.

I dont know of any group that advocates equality of results, rather equality of opportunity Atheists_Pwn

-See me after class.

U.S. high schools.

If you aren't afraid of the government, then you don't know very much history.

I'm fine with the government. In fact, I love that they control health care, education, gun control, etc in my country. One thing to always remember is, a government, no matter how inept or corrupt, is always responsible to the people (democracy), so if they ever do something the people don't like, they won't be around for long. However, a corporation is only responsible to its share holders and is only concerned with profit. Given a choice between privatized or government controlled health care, education, etc, I would always take government controlled.

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Ah, you didn't say that in your previous post.

airshocker

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] I dont know of any group that advocates equality of results, rather equality of opportunity BranKetra

-See me after class.

U.S. high schools.

Thats what equality typically means, as most people who want it see it that way.Atheists_Pwn

To you, perhaps. I believe more along the lines of equality of opportunity.

Some dont want equality, so theyll say anything to make sure people cant have it.Atheists_Pwn

Which clearly explains why I am so vehemently opposed to fascism.

If you aren't afraid of the government, then you don't know very much history.

DaveyDeathblade

I'm fine with the government. In fact, I love that they control health care, education, gun control, etc in my country. One thing to always remember is, a government, no matter how inept or corrupt, is always responsible to the people (democracy), so if they ever do something the people don't like, they won't be around for long. However, a corporation is only responsible to its share holders and is only concerned with profit. Given a choice between privatized or government controlled health care, education, etc, I would always take government controlled.

redstorm72

I'm fine with the government. In fact, I love that they control health care, education, gun control, etc in my country. One thing to always remember is, a government, no matter how inept or corrupt, is always responsible to the people (democracy), so if they ever do something the people don't like, they won't be around for long. However, a corporation is only responsible to its share holders and is only concerned with profit. Given a choice between privatized or government controlled health care, education, etc, I would always take government controlled.

redstorm72

I'm fine with the government. In fact, I love that they control health care, education, gun control, etc in my country. One thing to always remember is, a government, no matter how inept or corrupt, is always responsible to the people (democracy), so if they ever do something the people don't like, they won't be around for long. However, a corporation is only responsible to its share holders and is only concerned with profit. Given a choice between privatized or government controlled health care, education, etc, I would always take government controlled.

redstorm72

I never fully understood the whole less government is better argument, or the whole the government is evil argument. If you belong to this mentality please explain why you believe as you do, or if you don't, argue why you don't agree with anti-government point of view?

Shenmue_Jehuty

*Shrug* I'll never understand it myself either. But then again, come to think of it, I' am very much willing to bet that a metric crap ton of it comes down to scaremongering tactics that the Republican party uses to keep a whole load of people in irrational fear. It has built up a hell of an amount of momentum down there over the health care bill that it actually makes me feel simultanously repulsed by them and sorry for them. Makes me extremely glad that I live up here in Toronto, Canada despite the weather, craptacular Telecom infrastructure, and all around shoddy public transportation.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I never fully understood the whole less government is better argument, or the whole the government is evil argument. If you belong to this mentality please explain why you believe as you do, or if you don't, argue why you don't agree with anti-government point of view?

gamedude2020

I think the small government theory worked 100 years ago, when mult-national corporations did not exist. But now, most private companies are huge themselves, are run in the same way as governments and by the same kind of people.

I don't undertstand when American' say, "I dn't want the government involved with my healthcare" But what is the difference between the government and an insurance company? they are now, exactly the same thing.

First, multi-national corporations have been around a lot longer than 100 years. Ever hear of the British East India Company? They used their influence with the British govt to protect their interests around the globe.

As for a private company, such as a health insurance company, being the same thing as the govt: One major difference would be the police power of the government. Before Obamacare, if I chose not to do business with Aetna, there was no Aetna police that would confiscate my wealth via fines or deprive me of my freedom by arresting me. Now, with Obamacare, if I choose not to buy health insurance, from whomever, I face a fine from the govt.

I doubt you will acknowledge this difference, or at least its profound significance, but thought I'd point it out anyway.

One last thought. The government is like soylent green.....ITS MADE FROM PEOPLE !!!! To paraphrase an old saying:

If men were angels we would need no government to regulate their interactions

If angels were to govern men, we would need no limits on government power.

You know what the government does? Hell, look what they did to me, they took my money and gave some of it to people who don't have all the socioeconomical advantadges that I was born with!!! Then they went and gave some of it to schools to educate children!!! Then they gave some of it to the community for beautification and facilities that benefit me every day of the week!!! Then they gave some of it to keep roads that I use every day paved, police and firefighters who keep my neighborhood safe paid, and the post office which I also use on a regular basis running. What reason could I possibly have to trust the government, those motherless ********!!!

theone86

Man oh man there is just a whole load of black/white fallacy running around in this thread >_>

i enjoy the government in my bedroomweezyfb

Back in the day i'm sure people did.You were able to legally rape your wife in North Carolina up until 1993 after all.