Who are your least favorite U.S. presidents?

#1 Edited by SomeShinobi (24 posts) -

Who are your choices for the worst presidents of the United states and why?

As with my previous list, this is going to be a VERY controversial list. This will be from the perspective of an lolbertarian. Meaning it'll contain many of the most beloved and popular presidents of U.S. history. I'll get a lot of flak for sharing my top 10 least favorite presidents. Here goes nothing.

1. Woodrow Wilson:

  • Created the Federal Reserve.
  • Entered World War I and brutally occupied numerous countries.
  • Racially segregated the military and endorsed the KKK.
  • Incarcerated protesters with the "Espionage Act of 1917".
  • Instituted prohibition.
  • Supported eugenics.
  • Instituted the federal income tax.
  • Nationalized the economy.
  • Imposed draft conscription.
  • Authorized "Palmer Raids".

2. Abraham Lincoln:

  • Intentionally provoked the Civil War.
  • Unconstitutionally suspended habeas corpus.
  • Ordered mass execution against the Sioux Indians.
  • Signed the "National Bank Act".
  • Censored the press and imprisoned political protesters without trial.
  • Introduced the "Greenback" currency.
  • Introduced the U.S.'s first income tax.
  • Instituted a military draft.
  • Ordered martial law and restricted firearms via "Proclamation 113".
  • Deported freed black slaves to Liberia and Haiti.

3. Franklin D. Roosevelt:

  • Allowed the Pearl Harbor attack to drag the U.S. into World War II.
  • Authorized the firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and Tokyo.
  • Forcefully moved Japanese, Italian, and German citizens into internment camps.
  • Served four terms.
  • Imposed gun control via "National Firearms Act of 1934".
  • Signed the "National Industrial Recovery Act".
  • Enacted laws without the approval of the Supreme Court.
  • Suspended the "Gold Standard" and seized gold from citizens.
  • Authorized the "Manhattan Project".
  • Raised numerous taxes.

4. Lyndon B. Johnson:

  • Lied about the "Gulf of Tonkin Incident" to justify an undeclared war against Vietnam.
  • Covered up Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty.
  • Caused massive deficits with the "Great Society" program.
  • Passed the "Gun Control Act of 1968".
  • Signed the egalitarian "Civil Rights Act of 1964".

5. George W. Bush:

  • Began the illegal Iraq war.
  • Signed the "Patriot Act".
  • Enacted "No Child Left Behind".
  • Signed the 2008 bailout.
  • Created the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.

6. Barrack Obama:

  • Killed four U.S. citizens without due process.
  • Expanded Bush's drone strike program.
  • Invaded Libya without Congressional approval.
  • Passed the "NDAA".
  • Expanded domestic government surveillance via "PRISM".

7. Harry S. Truman:

  • Lead an unnecessary war in Korea without congressional approval.
  • Authorized the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
  • Nationalized the steel industry to fund war efforts.
  • Took control of railroads by threatening to draft railroad workers.
  • Created the CIA and NATO.

8. Ronald Reagan:

  • Responsible for the "Iran-Contra Affair".
  • Invaded Grenada and funded the Mujaheddin.
  • Tripled the national debt.
  • Expanded the "War on Drugs".
  • Raised taxes to increase Social Security.

9. William McKinley:

  • Started the contrived "Spanish-American War".
  • Annexed Hawaii.
  • Raised taxes to fund imperialist policies.
  • Signed the "Dingley Act".
  • Intervened in the "Boxer Rebellion".

10. Richard Nixon:

  • Permanently ended the "Gold Standard".
  • Created the EPA.
  • Created the DEA.
  • Authorized the bombing of Cambodia and Laos.
  • Prolonged the "Vietnam War".

Dishonorable Mentions

- Dwight D. Eisenhower:

  • Authorized the "1953 Iranian coup d'etat".
  • Authorized the "Guatemelan Coup of 1954".
  • Laid the groundwork for the "Vietnam War".
  • Deported 80,000 Mexicans.
  • Authorized the CIA's assassination attempt at Fidel Castro.

- William J. Clinton:

  • Bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.
  • Passed the pro-gun control "Brady Bill".
  • Authorized NATO intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo.
  • Authorized the Waco siege.
  • Authorized Iraqi sanctions that killed half a million Kurdish children.

- Theodore Roosevelt:

  • Expanded the power of the Executive Branch.
  • Imperialistic foreign-policy.
  • Advocated eugenics.
  • Planted the seeds for the FDA.
  • Used the army to stop the "Coal Strike of 1902".

- George H.W. Bush:

  • Started the "Gulf War".
  • Broke campaign promise by raising taxes
  • Increased military spending and welfare.
  • Authorized "Operation Restore Hope" in Somalia.
  • Invaded Panama.

- John Adams:

  • Initiated the "Quasi-War".
  • Signed the "Alien and Sedition Acts".
  • Raised taxes.
  • Appointed John Marshall to the Supreme Court.
  • Passed the "Midnight Judges Act".

- Herbert Hoover:

  • Started "Mexican Repatriation".
  • Controlled prices.
  • Created the Dept. of Education.
  • Signed the "Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act".
  • Signed the "Norris La Guardia Act".
#2 Posted by BossPerson (9456 posts) -

well we know where your predispositions lie

#3 Posted by BossPerson (9456 posts) -

invaded libya lol

how's that putin cock treating you?

#5 Posted by whipassmt (14024 posts) -

Lincoln is one of those presidents who people either love (the vast majority) or strongly dislike (a small minority), he was very controversial at his time. It seems to me that there are a lot of parallels between Lincoln and George W. Bush, so it's interesting you dislike them both.

I was surprised at some of your choices: Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, McKinley, Reagan, Hoover, Eisenhower, George H.W. Bush, and John Adams.

I do have some questions:

1. What were the Palmer raids?

2. Did FDR actually seize gold from citizens? I thought he prohibited investments in gold bullion, (which I don't agree with any way) but I don't know if he actually had the feds take people's gold?

3. What is your rationale for describing the Iraq War as illegal. The war was authorized by congress, and Iraq had been in violation of the cease-fire terms that ended the "first" Gulf War (specifically they had longer-range missiles than they were allowed to have).

4. Did the Iraq sanctions (which were ended by G.W. Bush after the Iraqi regime was toppled) kill 1 million Kurdish children, or do you mean Iraqi children. I would find it odd if the sanctions did so much harm to Kurdish children, given that the U.S. protected the Kurds from Saddam by enforcing a no-fly-zone (Saddam also generally prohibited his ground forces from going into the Kurdish region though the U.S. never said they would stop Iraqi ground forces, this allowed the Kurds to have quite a bit of autonomy). I do know that most of the people who died as a result of the sanctions (and the Iraqi governments reactions to the sanctions - i.e. spending what money they did have on their military and presidential palaces) were children.

5. The pharmaceutical company was thought to be a disguised chemical weapons plant.

6. Why are you so opposed to the Guantanamo Bay detention facility? What is the difference between that specific facility and other detention facilities elsewhere?

#6 Posted by Kevlar101 (6101 posts) -

TC is a moron and a far-righter.

Also, I spot some contradictions in your list. If I read that correctly, you criticize FDR for enacting the "Gold standard" , and yet, criticize Nixon for ending the "Gold standard" ....

There are also numerous inconsistencies and false claims.

TC, get your head out of your ass.

#7 Posted by Aljosa23 (24841 posts) -

lol Libertarianism

Enjoy your pseudo-fantasy philosophy

#9 Posted by Kevlar101 (6101 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

lol Libertarianism

Enjoy your pseudo-fantasy philosophy

I am pretty sure that his views are more Conservative than anything else...

Besides, Libertarians are the only ones who know what is fair.

#10 Edited by Toxic-Seahorse (4125 posts) -

"Planted the seeds for the FDA."

This is a negative to you? In what world is the FDA a bad thing? Sure they're inefficient and slow to approve things, as well as approve some things that maybe shouldn't be allowed, but to say it's a bad thing is ridiculous. I am in no way a democrat (wouldn't ever affiliate with either political party) but we need regulation, and food and drug safety is pretty damn important. Do you think we should just let companies put whatever the hell they want on the market, regardless if it's dangerous or not?

Some of the other ridiculous ones include

"Created the CIA and NATO."

"Permanently ended the "Gold Standard"."

"Allowed the Pearl Harbor attack to drag the U.S. into World War II."

"Invaded Libya without Congressional approval."

What a joke.

#11 Posted by lamprey263 (23488 posts) -

the one in the parallel universe where John McCain won, had a heart attack, and Sarah Palin took the throne

#12 Posted by Storm_Marine (10817 posts) -

Obama is my favorite president now that I've seen what a total beast he is in the gym.

#14 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

I would say Bill Clinton

and Dick Cheney

#15 Edited by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

LOL you're really going to fault FDR for starting the Manhattan Project?

That's a new one

EDIT: hahaha and you blame HW for starting the Gulf War

history is apparently not your forte

#16 Edited by k2theswiss (16599 posts) -

Obama is my favorite president now that I've seen what a total beast he is in the gym.

lol feel the burn.

#17 Posted by drekula2 (1928 posts) -

OP's list isn't so much controversial as it is a libertarian litmus-test.

Anyone who mentions a president of the past 20 years (a) knows little about history (b) lacks historical context (c) probably knows better but wants to use history as a personal sledgehammer to promote their modern political views.

IMO, Franklin Pierce is the worst. A total flip-flopper (he literally changed his views everytime someone talked to him) who fought to expand slavery in the United States years before the Civil War. And during the Civil War, as a private citizen, he sided with the confederacy.

#18 Posted by whipassmt (14024 posts) -

TC is a moron and a far-righter.

Also, I spot some contradictions in your list. If I read that correctly, you criticize FDR for enacting the "Gold standard" , and yet, criticize Nixon for ending the "Gold standard" ....

There are also numerous inconsistencies and false claims.

TC, get your head out of your ass.

He criticized FDR for "suspending" the Gold standard, not enacting it.

@Aljosa23 said:

lol Libertarianism

Enjoy your pseudo-fantasy philosophy

at least if libertarianism is a "pseudo-fantasy philosophy" people can enjoy it. Communism is also a fantasy philosophy, but it wasn't pretty enjoyable.

LOL you're really going to fault FDR for starting the Manhattan Project?

That's a new one

EDIT: hahaha and you blame HW for starting the Gulf War

history is apparently not your forte

He must mean that H.W. Bush got the U.S. unnecessarily involved in the war, i.e. that he thinks the U.S. should not have gone to war to liberate Kuwait.

#19 Posted by vl4d_l3nin (920 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

lol Libertarianism

Enjoy your pseudo-fantasy philosophy

at least if libertarianism is a "pseudo-fantasy philosophy" people can enjoy it. Communism is also a fantasy philosophy, but it wasn't pretty enjoyable.

wtf? who said anything about communism?

TOPIC:

-Woodrow Wilson

-Bill Clinton

-Herbert Hoover

-Ronald Reagan

-George W. Bush

#20 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7775 posts) -

This seems like terrible troll bait. So dumb, can't even comprehend....not going to bite. I'll say Taft because fuck it, why not.

#21 Posted by 4myAmuzumament (1749 posts) -

Obama. He's a celebrity president and doesn't stand for anything. I think the next few presidents are gonna suck as well.

#22 Posted by hippiesanta (9836 posts) -

Robert Mugabe

#23 Posted by Laihendi (5828 posts) -

TC is a moron and a far-righter.

Also, I spot some contradictions in your list. If I read that correctly, you criticize FDR for enacting the "Gold standard" , and yet, criticize Nixon for ending the "Gold standard" ....

There are also numerous inconsistencies and false claims.

TC, get your head out of your ass.

lol

#24 Edited by whipassmt (14024 posts) -

@Laihendi said:

@Kevlar101 said:

TC is a moron and a far-righter.

Also, I spot some contradictions in your list. If I read that correctly, you criticize FDR for enacting the "Gold standard" , and yet, criticize Nixon for ending the "Gold standard" ....

There are also numerous inconsistencies and false claims.

TC, get your head out of your ass.

lol

oh my goodness. Guess who's back. I knew I saw two trailer-park girls running 'round the outside the other day.

#25 Edited by ChristianGmr14 (155 posts) -

Obama

George W. Bush

Jimmy Carter

Especially Obama and Jimmy Carter......stop electing Socialists.

Ronald Reagan was the last great President this country has had.

#27 Posted by Necroplazma (29 posts) -

I hate Reagan's administration with a burning passion.

He gutted America's social programs, as was a total corporate puppet. Military spending was hugely increased as was the power of the government. "Government is the problem" my ass. It always disgust me when someone who praises this scumbag calls himself a "libertarian". Since Reagan, the U.S. went downhill and every administration after him was just as bad if not worse.

#28 Posted by xdude85 (4388 posts) -

Jerry Carter.

#29 Posted by CommandoAgent (758 posts) -

LOL you're really going to fault FDR for starting the Manhattan Project?

That's a new one

EDIT: hahaha and you blame HW for starting the Gulf War

history is apparently not your forte

Saddam kept Iraq as a Nation American Gov destroyed the country twice in a row behind repair just look how great Libya is doing.

#30 Posted by 10854 (109 posts) -

Obama

#31 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

Saddam kept Iraq as a Nation American Gov destroyed the country twice in a row behind repair just look how great Libya is doing.

lol oh boy a Saddam sympathizer. Life under that genocidal maniac is certainly easy to get nostalgic about.

Of course it's all America's fault for why Arabs are killing and torturing fellow Arabs.

#32 Posted by CommandoAgent (758 posts) -

@CommandoAgent said:

Saddam kept Iraq as a Nation American Gov destroyed the country twice in a row behind repair just look how great Libya is doing.

lol oh boy a Saddam sympathizer. Life under that genocidal maniac is certainly easy to get nostalgic about.

Of course it's all America's fault for why Arabs are killing and torturing fellow Arabs.

Then You must be an War Monger sympathizer. Whom never learns anything what did the Iraqi war teach you American probably nothing its true what they say conservatives will never acknowledge for the mistakes that they have created by meddling in affairs of other countries.

"Of course it's all America's fault for why Arabs are killing and torturing fellow Arabs."

According to you its not America's fault for whats happening in the middle east of course not you are always the innocent arent you? whats happening in Ukraine its Russia's fault right? its never America's fault that has 500 bases around the global and then they claim that Russia is an Aggressor yet i am quite positive all those bases are all there just to protect those nations right?

You know well that America's fault whats happening in Iraq today your invasion of Iraq is what started the problems it along with the occupation and by support the sunni fighters in Syria.

#33 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

@-Sun_Tzu- said:

@CommandoAgent said:

Saddam kept Iraq as a Nation American Gov destroyed the country twice in a row behind repair just look how great Libya is doing.

lol oh boy a Saddam sympathizer. Life under that genocidal maniac is certainly easy to get nostalgic about.

Of course it's all America's fault for why Arabs are killing and torturing fellow Arabs.

Then You must be an War Monger sympathizer. Whom never learns anything what did the Iraqi war teach you American probably nothing its true what they say conservatives will never acknowledge for the mistakes that they have created by meddling in affairs of other countries.

"Of course it's all America's fault for why Arabs are killing and torturing fellow Arabs."

According to you its not America's fault for whats happening in the middle east of course not you are always the innocent arent you? whats happening in Ukraine its Russia's fault right? its never America's fault that has 500 bases around the global and then they claim that Russia is an Aggressor yet i am quite positive all those bases are all there just to protect those nations right?

You know well that America's fault whats happening in Iraq today your invasion of Iraq is what started the problems it along with the occupation and by support the sunni fighters in Syria.

Shiites and Sunnis have been going at each other's heads since well before America even existed as a country. Its not as if before the Iraq invasion that these two groups were holding hands and in peace. Saddam himself instigated the sectarian divide in Iraq for decades for his own benefit. America certainly bears some responsibility for the current state of the middle east but to act like the middle east would be a paradise if the west never had gotten itself involved in the region is delusional. Is it America that forces Arabian women to dress up as beekeepers? Is it America that is butchering Arab Christians and members of rival Muslim sects en masse? The west is going to look out for its interests all across the globe including the middle east - I'm the last person to defend this kind of behavior but it is simply a reality about the world we live in just as real as gravity is. However if the Arab people were an unified people it'd be much easier to fight against western imperialism. Cutting each others heads off only makes the job of western imperialists that much easier. Nasserism has been replaced with Islamism and its Arab political leaders that deserve the brunt of the blame for that.

#34 Posted by Mercuria1_King (276 posts) -

George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush

#35 Edited by GreySeal9 (24188 posts) -

Out of the modern Presidents, probably Reagan but I can't really bring myself to dislike any of them with any kind of passion.

#36 Edited by jasean79 (2371 posts) -

Obummer

#37 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26156 posts) -

I feel really bad for the TC. Looking at his post count and this thread, he is in DESPERATE need of attention. Buy a cat or a few dogs bro, that way you'll get attention without looking like a total ass.

#38 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7775 posts) -

Do Libertarians always side with the Confederacy when it comes to the civil war?

#39 Posted by jasean79 (2371 posts) -

I feel really bad for the TC. Looking at his post count and this thread, he is in DESPERATE need of attention. Buy a cat or a few dogs bro, that way you'll get attention without looking like a total ass.

At least he's posting. You can't knock him for that. I mean, isn't that the whole point of this forum?