What do you think about the plans to build a Mosque near Ground Zero?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]As a Muslim myself, I think that Ground Zero isn't the best place to build a mosque, even given the fact that only extremists were responsible for 9/11.jwsoul

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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

"Topic: What do you think about the plans to build a Mosque near Ground Zero?"

Of course some people will come in here and rage if it was just a Mosque. It's a community center building that also has a mosque in it.

taj7575

Again, biased towards who or against who?

Besides, that's how the various articles about it tend to put it as well.

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You're just being picky

It's just an incorrect topic title that is all. Obviously those online articles will have that title, because they are all about stirring up controversy..

Here you go - Not that I like the huffington post, but it has been the only article that hasn't been biased.

I'm not being picky. I'm saying what is true, and that it's a community center. Building a mosque is different than being a community center.

Theres a Jewish community center near my house I go to sometimes. I'm not Jewish. And I also don't say I'm going to a synagogue.

So me using the same title or phrasing they use for discussion sake means I'm trying to stir up controversy myself? Is that why you think this thread is biased?

seems to be what u saying and sounds pretty picky

In any event, the mosque shoulddefinitely be included despite the rage from relatives of victims and "patriots". Without working together, we'll never get along together despite everyones individual stance of the situation

No, Just...No.

I would prefer they build a KFC there instead. If I ever am on vacation and I visit there I want to be sure I can get myself some snackers and a huge bucket of crispy chicken. If that doesn't work out, I can settle for a Taco Bell.

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Brown people didn't really find countries. They were living there in the first place..:lol:

surrealnumber5

Nope. Try reading a little. :lol:

He was kidding...but nice try.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Nope. Try reading a little. :lol:

SpartanMSU

He was kidding...but nice try.

lol

Brown & Proud !!! :D

So we can't build a church near where the Olympic bombing happened?

Anyway, isn't this supposed to be part of a community center?

So we can't build a church near where the Olympic bombing happened?

Anyway, isn't this supposed to be part of a community center?

SgtKevali

yes, and that's where the uproar lies in. some don't want it to be part of the community for various understandable reasons, of course

I lmao when I heard about it.

I actually thought this was a joke thread before I clicked on it

wow at the poll results :? i dont see why any one would really have a problem with this E:

i don't think that's the best idea ever... it's a good concept, but that building is going to be destroyed within a few months by some 9/11 victim who thinks he/she is getting revenge

I believe in freedom to build whatever you want wherever you want if you do it legally. However the plans to build a Mosque near Ground Zero is just being done to offend people and to rub it in their faces. Its not being done for religious reasons otherwise it wouldn't be built there but in a place that wouldn't disturb the peace. I believe in God but most religions are just annoying and look to get as much attention as possible.

I think it is stupid that people dont want it built. It's not an insult to America it's a damn Mosque. We have freedom of religion for a reason here not freedom of religion when it is convenient for people. The Mosque isn't going to hurt anyone and if people hate it being built then who cares? Just because Muslim extremists do bad things doesn't mean you should judge a whole religion because of it.

wow at the poll results :? i dont see why any one would really have a problem with this E:

BlindBluMonstah

I think it is stupid that people dont want it built. It's not an insult to America it's a damn Mosque. We have freedom of religion for a reason here not freedom of religion when it is convenient for people. The Mosque isn't going to hurt anyone and if people hate it being built then who cares? Just because Muslim extremists do bad things doesn't mean you should judge a whole religion because of it.

Film-Guy

I think it is stupid that people dont want it built. It's not an insult to America it's a damn Mosque. We have freedom of religion for a reason here not freedom of religion when it is convenient for people. The Mosque isn't going to hurt anyone and if people hate it being built then who cares? Just because Muslim extremists do bad things doesn't mean you should judge a whole religion because of it.

Film-Guy

Well they certainly have the right to display concern and/or objection to the idea, but I hope they realize it's for a good cause and not to rub anything in anyones face. People on both sides of the coin are paying a high price for those who flip the coin

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I think it is stupid that people dont want it built. It's not an insult to America it's a damn Mosque. We have freedom of religion for a reason here not freedom of religion when it is convenient for people. The Mosque isn't going to hurt anyone and if people hate it being built then who cares? Just because Muslim extremists do bad things doesn't mean you should judge a whole religion because of it.

LJS9502_basic

And of course we have the right to complain about them complaining about the mosque. Doesn't mean we want to ban their speech, it's just criticism.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

I think it is stupid that people dont want it built. It's not an insult to America it's a damn Mosque. We have freedom of religion for a reason here not freedom of religion when it is convenient for people. The Mosque isn't going to hurt anyone and if people hate it being built then who cares? Just because Muslim extremists do bad things doesn't mean you should judge a whole religion because of it.

SgtKevali

And of course we have the right to complain about them complaining about the mosque. Doesn't mean we want to ban their speech, it's just criticism.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Just what to point out that freedom of speech is also a freedom here so they have the right to complain....;)LJS9502_basic

And of course we have the right to complain about them complaining about the mosque. Doesn't mean we want to ban their speech, it's just criticism.

That freedom of speech isn't really part of this discussion. People are arguing about whether they should complain, not whether they have the right to complain.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

And of course we have the right to complain about them complaining about the mosque. Doesn't mean we want to ban their speech, it's just criticism.

SgtKevali

That freedom of speech isn't really part of this discussion. People are arguing about whether they should complain, not whether they have the right to complain.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And your point?LJS9502_basic

That freedom of speech isn't really part of this discussion. People are arguing about whether they should complain, not whether they have the right to complain.

They can, but it doesn't mean they have good reason to. And of course that's from my perspective, no need to point that out.

controversy like this is nothing new its the same as the vietnam memorial controversy/debates. some people just need something to complain about even if its not a big deal. its not even going to be on the site exactly nor is it just a mosque.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

That freedom of speech isn't really part of this discussion. People are arguing about whether they should complain, not whether they have the right to complain.

SgtKevali

They can, but it doesn't mean they have good reason to. And of course that's from my perspective, no need to point that out.

I'm against any sort of religious thing, so I'm not happy about it in the slightest. However, I don't think it's an insult to America, but a memorial of some sort would really be better suited, or just a bigger building of greater importance than the centers.

I don't think the architecture will work....I'm all about the aesthetics....LJS9502_basic

Thats why I feel the topic title is misleading.

It's a community center building, with a mosque in it. They are not building an actual mosque.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] If they have the right.....they can complain. We don't all have to think alike do we? Use freedom or lose it....your choice.LJS9502_basic

They can, but it doesn't mean they have good reason to. And of course that's from my perspective, no need to point that out.

...which leads back to my initial point that the whole discussion over the mosque doesn't have anything to do with freedom of speech. We're just criticizing them for complaining about it, we're not saying they cant...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

They can, but it doesn't mean they have good reason to. And of course that's from my perspective, no need to point that out.

SgtKevali

...which leads back to my initial point that the whole discussion over the mosque doesn't have anything to do with freedom of speech. We're just criticizing them for complaining about it, we're not saying they cant...

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Doesn't matter. They may disagree with your opinion. But I don't see what that has to do with their right to speak.LJS9502_basic

...which leads back to my initial point that the whole discussion over the mosque doesn't have anything to do with freedom of speech. We're just criticizing them for complaining about it, we're not saying they cant...

...... Hmm you can indeed be critical for the ridiculous outrage of this.. The peopel are specifically complaining about not its building, but specifically its of islamic origin.. This is makin the suggestion that the people building that are some how direclty related to the extremists that attacked on 9/11.. How is this a insult to american pride or what ever that poll choice is? Isn't the pride come from religious tolerance being one of the cornerstones of American society and freedom? Maybe if this specific organization or sect were preaching the exact same message of the 9/11 extremists I would agree.. But they are not.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Doesn't matter. They may disagree with your opinion. But I don't see what that has to do with their right to speak.LJS9502_basic

...which leads back to my initial point that the whole discussion over the mosque doesn't have anything to do with freedom of speech. We're just criticizing them for complaining about it, we're not saying they cant...

I'm criticising the anti-Muslim sentiment of their statements, not that they excercised their right to speech in in of itself.

If a racist starts complaining about blacks I shouldn't criticize him? :?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

...which leads back to my initial point that the whole discussion over the mosque doesn't have anything to do with freedom of speech. We're just criticizing them for complaining about it, we're not saying they cant...

SgtKevali

I'm criticising the anti-Muslim sentiment of their statements, not that they excercised their speech in in of itself.

If a racist starts complaining about blacks I shouldn't criticize him? :?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I fail to see why they should be criticized then. You may not agree...but you shouldn't criticize the exercising of their rights....LJS9502_basic

I'm criticising the anti-Muslim sentiment of their statements, not that they excercised their speech in in of itself.

If a racist starts complaining about blacks I shouldn't criticize him? :?

Where did he do that?

But isn't it ironic that you're telling him to stop using his free speech?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

I'm criticising the anti-Muslim sentiment of their statements, not that they excercised their speech in in of itself.

If a racist starts complaining about blacks I shouldn't criticize him? :?

SgtKevali

Where did he do that?

But isn't it ironic that you're telling him to stop using his free speech?

It is their property and it's a free country, so if they want to do so, go for it. Not really sure that it's a particularly brilliant idea.

As a New Yorker I can say that most people around here are not happy about this............ at all (although I don't speak of everyone). I really don't see why the community board OKed this. It's not at all going to bring people together: just build it someplace else. limpbizkit818

I find it rephrensible that they're building a mosque near ground zero where, despite eight to nine years, the towers haven't been rebuilt or even replaced with a memorial tower. Instead Ground Zero is left there as if nothing happened in the past eight to nine years and a mosque is being built.

But this is my personal feelings and this nation allows freedom of worship. Their intentions are good, I just don't agree with the idea.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You may criticize his ideas.....not his use of free speech by elevating another freedom...which is what the OP did.LJS9502_basic

Where did he do that?

But isn't it ironic that you're telling him to stop using his free speech?

You just missed the huge irony in your post simply because you wanted to say something against it, try to not have pre-determined agandas and the likelihood of this would be reduced.

You are seriously way too biased when it comes to "anything" christianity and then america. The guy you initially quoted was only criticizing the opinion of those against this mosque, he had every right to do that. Are you really telling me that people shouldnt get angry over someone's opinion?:|

You just missed the huge irony in your post simply because you wanted to say something against it, try to not have pre-determined agandas and the likelihood of this would be reduced.

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You may criticize his ideas.....not his use of free speech by elevating another freedom...which is what the OP did.LJS9502_basic

Where did he do that?

But isn't it ironic that you're telling him to stop using his free speech?

.. You don't get the anger over some ones opinions? Freedom of speech is about people binge protected from others trying to shut them up.. Not being free of criticism or angry rebuttals..