The apostrophe. Why do people have so much trouble using it recently?

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#1 bogaty
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I recall reading a news article out of the UK from a few years ago that stated some city councils wanted to remove apostrophes from signs within the city because it was too confusing for some people. At the time I thought that the council members obviously had more than a bit too much time on their hands and that the taxpayers weren't exactly getting value for their money.

Recently, I've noticed more and more people using apostrophes when they add an "-s" suffix to a verb or when they want to pluralize something. For instance, just today I opened one thread about people flinging rocks at Nickelback. The title on the YouTube video read "Nickelback get's hit with ROCKS!". A bit further down on the forum page, I noticed a thread about and old man who "beat's" up somebody.

Anyway, I am just curious as to why this trend is increasing.

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#2 horgen  Moderator
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You do realize many here doesn't have English as their first language?
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#3 hiphopballer
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i dunno me n my friends have no trouble using them

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#4 bogaty
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I most certainly do. I taught ESL for 15 years. The change in usage is coming from native speakers.

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#5 MetalGear_Ninty
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Another thing: It is 90s not 90's, 80s not 80's etc.
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#6 Theokhoth
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Too hard.

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#7 metroidfood
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Perhaps they're grammar is bad?

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#8 LosDaddie
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It's the internet

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#9 scorch-62
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I dont know wha't youre talking abou't.
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#10 LJS9502_basic
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The apostrophe is taking over. There....the secret is out.
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#11 chrisPperson
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Yeah, we're on the internet. You obviously haven't been here too long.

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#12 bogaty
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Perhaps they're grammar is bad?

metroidfood

No, no, no! It is "perhaps they're grammar ARE bad."

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#13 Oleg_Huzwog
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Another thing: It is 90s not 90's, 80s not 80's etc.MetalGear_Ninty

I was born in the 80s. I listen to 90's music.

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#14 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Perhaps they're grammar is bad?

bogaty

No, no, no! It is "perhaps they're grammar ARE bad."

Er...perhaps they're? I think their is better. Since we are arguing grammar.

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#15 chrisPperson
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[QUOTE="bogaty"]

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Perhaps they're grammar is bad?

LJS9502_basic

No, no, no! It is "perhaps they're grammar ARE bad."

Er...perhaps they're? I think their is better.

Dude. You have to be freaking kidding me. They are joking.
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maybe nobody cares about it

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#17 cjek
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I'm pretty sure it's mainly coming from people who don't have English as a first language. Otherwise there's no excuse for it, it's a fairly fundamental concept. I'd rather people left them out than use them in the wrong place; it makes you look more like you're saving time and less like you don't have a clue where to use them.
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#18 bogaty
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[QUOTE="bogaty"]

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Perhaps they're grammar is bad?

LJS9502_basic

No, no, no! It is "perhaps they're grammar ARE bad."

Er...perhaps they're? I think their is better.

Uh...yeah...I think that was kinda, sorta, meant to be a joke.

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#19 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bogaty"]

No, no, no! It is "perhaps they're grammar ARE bad."

bogaty

Er...perhaps they're? I think their is better.

Uh...yeah...I think that was kinda, sorta, meant to be a joke.

Well then why argue about an apostrophe then?
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#20 FragStains
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It has to do with the 'ph'. Humans over the years have inherently lacked the ability to utilize words with 'ph' in them. "Phone" of course is the only outlier. Change it to apostrofee and everything will be better. Problem solved.
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#21 chrisPperson
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[QUOTE="bogaty"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Er...perhaps they're? I think their is better.LJS9502_basic

Uh...yeah...I think that was kinda, sorta, meant to be a joke.

Well then why argue about an apostrophe then?

Well, that's beside the point. We are pointing out that you didn't realize sarcasm. Anyhow, let's keep this on topic.
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#22 LJS9502_basic
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Well, that's beside the point. We are pointing out that you didn't realize sarcasm. Anyhow, let's keep this on topic.chrisPperson
If it's not readily seen as sarcasm...it's not. And it's not beside the point. If you want to point out grammar mistakes then......fair game.

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#23 bogaty
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It has to do with the 'ph'. Humans over the years have inherently lacked the ability to utilize words with 'ph' in them. "Phone" of course is the only outlier. Change it to apostrofee and everything will be better. Problem solved.FragStains

So, this is all a nefarious scheme launched by those dirty hippies from Phish?

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#24 T_P_O
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Perhaps they're grammar is bad?metroidfood

I see it.

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#25 chrisPperson
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[QUOTE="chrisPperson" Well, that's beside the point. We are pointing out that you didn't realize sarcasm. Anyhow, let's keep this on topic.LJS9502_basic
If it's not readily seen as sarcasm...it's not. And it's not beside the point. If you want to point out grammar mistakes then......fair game.

It was readily seen as sarcasm, maybe not to you, but I could easily see that out as could the poster who quoted the other poster. It's like when a comedian tells a racist joke, someone says "You're racist", even though they obviously are not.

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#26 FragStains
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[QUOTE="FragStains"]It has to do with the 'ph'. Humans over the years have inherently lacked the ability to utilize words with 'ph' in them. "Phone" of course is the only outlier. Change it to apostrofee and everything will be better. Problem solved.bogaty

So, this is all a nefarious scheme launched by those dirty hippies from Phish?

I'm not here to place blame...I just here to explain the world to you.
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#27 LJS9502_basic
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It was readily seen as sarcasm, maybe not to you, but I could easily see that out as could the poster who quoted the other poster. It's like when a comedian tells a racist joke, someone says "You're racist", even though they obviously are not.chrisPperson
They're, there, and their are misused quite a bit. It's not necessarily sarcasm when it's done. You assumed that. Could just as easily have been an error. Second, that's a different thread.;)

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#28 Velocitas8
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Perhaps they're grammar is bad?

metroidfood

Hmm. I think their is a mistake in you're sentence.

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#29 bogaty
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It was readily seen as sarcasm, maybe not to you, but I could easily see that out as could the poster who quoted the other poster. It's like when a comedian tells a racist joke, someone says "You're racist", even though they obviously are not.

chrisPperson

Or, more likely "your racist". :P (emoticons added for the satire-impaired)

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#30 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Perhaps they're grammar is bad?

Velocitas8

Hmm. I think their is a mistake in you're sentence.

ha...I rest my case. It's not readily seen as sarcasm. Thanks dude....
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Another thing: It is 90s not 90's, 80s not 80's etc.Oleg_Huzwog

I was born in the 80s. I listen to 90's music.

I would probably disagree with you on that one. When people say that, I don't think they mean it in the possessive sense such that the actual decade own's the music. I've read to more mean that the music is 'of' the nineties, not that the music belongs to the nineties. I wouldn't necessarily say your wrong though.
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#32 bogaty
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[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Perhaps they're grammar is bad?

LJS9502_basic

Hmm. I think their is a mistake in you're sentence.

ha...I rest my case. It's not readily seen as sarcasm. Thanks dude....

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#33 metroidfood
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If it's not readily seen as sarcasm...it's not. And it's not beside the point. If you want to point out grammar mistakes then......fair game.

LJS9502_basic

I'm sorry, my atrocious grammar is merely a byproduct of my lesser intellect. Thank you for your insight into my poor use of the English language.

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#34 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

If it's not readily seen as sarcasm...it's not. And it's not beside the point. If you want to point out grammar mistakes then......fair game.

metroidfood

I'm sorry, my atrocious grammar is merely a byproduct of my lesser intellect. Thank you for your insight into my poor use of the English language.

Well that's nice. But I wasn't talking to you.;)
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Another thing: It is 90s not 90's, 80s not 80's etc.MetalGear_Ninty

Wrong.

It's '90s and '80s. Unless you're talking about AD 90-99 and AD 80-89.

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#36 deactivated-5c37d3adcd094
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I dont know why. Its so easy.
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#37 gugler990
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You do realize many here doesn't have English as their first language? horgen123

that and people are use to speed type with no punctuation

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#38 metroidfood
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Perhaps they're grammar is bad?

Velocitas8

Hmm. I think their is a mistake in you're sentence.

Its not like it matter's, there not even talking about it anymore.

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[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Perhaps they're grammar is bad?

metroidfood

Hmm. I think their is a mistake in you're sentence.

Its not like it matter's, there not even talking about it anymore.

Dont' be that way. Their only having a larff.
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#40 bogaty
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

Hmm. I think their is a mistake in you're sentence.

T_P_O

Its not like it matter's, there not even talking about it anymore.

Dont' be that way. Their only having a larff.

U too can Englishing good!

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You do realize many here doesn't have English as their first language? horgen123

I see what you did thar!!!

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Me not have ungood grammar!

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#43 Teenaged
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Yeah I see people adding apostrophes when its not necessary and its really bizarre to me, tbh.

I can get removing them because that makes for more convenient and fast typing/writing but.... adding them? 0_o

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#44 metroidfood
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U too can Englishing good!

bogaty

Someday, I hope to be able to speak English so well that I can use sarcasm.

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Too hard.

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#46 metroidfood
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Yeah I see people adding apostrophes when its not necessary and its really bizarre to me, tbh.

I can get removing them because that makes for more convenient and fast typing/writing but.... adding them? 0_o

Teenaged

The reason people don't use apostrophe's is because there are not enough to go around on the internet. People with extra apostrophe's are just breeding their apostrophe's so that other's have a chance to own sentence's with apostrophe's in them.

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I don't :P
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#48 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Another thing: It is 90s not 90's, 80s not 80's etc.MetalGear_Ninty

I was born in the 80s. I listen to 90's music.

I would probably disagree with you on that one. When people say that, I don't think they mean it in the possessive sense such that the actual decade own's the music. I've read to more mean that the music is 'of' the nineties, not that the music belongs to the nineties. I wouldn't necessarily say your wrong though.

Besides, wouldnt it be 90s' if they were using it in the possessive sense?

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#49 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Another thing: It is 90s not 90's, 80s not 80's etc.Cherokee_Jack

Wrong.

It's '90s and '80s. Unless you're talking about AD 90-99 and AD 80-89.

Yes, you're right. Pat yourself on the back.
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#50 bogaty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I was born in the 80s. I listen to 90's music.

Teenaged

I would probably disagree with you on that one. When people say that, I don't think they mean it in the possessive sense such that the actual decade own's the music. I've read to more mean that the music is 'of' the nineties, not that the music belongs to the nineties. I wouldn't necessarily say your wrong though.

Besides, wouldnt it be 90s' if they were using it in the possessive sense?

The possessive sense? You mean like "own's"?