Terry Jones banned from UK

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/20/pastor-terry-jones-banned-uk

Views on this?

I'm glad to be honest. I thought the whole 'Burn a Koran' thing seemed like he just wanted to antagonise people.

"We are not against Muslims, we are not against Islam. We welcome Muslims and have only spoken out against the radical element of Islam."

^ He may say this now, but then why would he want to burn their book to fight radical elements, when what he was proposing could also be termed as radical.

Sucks that he can't see his daughter over here, but yeah I don't think his arrival would be productive in the least.

Probably for his own safety, as the Muslims-per-capita figure is much higher there than in the USA.

Really? You're going to ban someone from your country because they wanted to burn some f***ing books? I don't think book burning is "extremism." Certainly I disagree with the book burning, but he has a right to free speech and I think free speech should include book burning. UK government is not justified in banning him in my eyes, the move seems petty at best.bededog

at first i was all "omg! why??? terry jones is my favorite python!!!"

then i was all "oh.... crazy religious kook hates other crazy religious kooks...how typical"

The relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim contingent in the UK is a little volatile, accentuated by a population fairly frustrated at the austerity measures implemented by the conservative government. I think his arrival would only serve to antagonise further, which to be honest the country doesn't need at the moment. It's a difficult one mind you as freedom of speech is a strongly held right in the UK, but, if his presence is deemed only to hinder not help building of relations, then theres reasonable grounds to justify his exclusion..................... I guess.

Really? You're going to ban someone from your country because they wanted to burn some f***ing books? I don't think book burning is "extremism." Certainly I disagree with the book burning, but he has a right to free speech and I think free speech should include book burning. UK government is not justified in banning him in my eyes, the move seems petty at best.bededog

Really? You're going to ban someone from your country because they wanted to burn some f***ing books? I don't think book burning is "extremism." Certainly I disagree with the book burning, but he has a right to free speech and I think free speech should include book burning. UK government is not justified in banning him in my eyes, the move seems petty at best.bededog

Erm he has that right in the US. Not really in the UK. The UK doesn't need to follow the US constitution.

The UK government does not want extremists in its country causing dissent. As such, they ban them, regardless of their religion or political views. It's perfectly reasonable honestly, he's not a citizen, so they don't have to extend him any hospitality.Danm_999

Erm he has that right in the US. Not really in the UK. The UK doesn't need to follow the US constitution.

Pixel-Pirate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_banned_from_entering_the_United_Kingdom

Lol at some of this list, gutted Chris Brown. I presume someone has put Obama on there as a joke right? I might do my first wiki edit.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]The UK government does not want extremists in its country causing dissent. As such, they ban them, regardless of their religion or political views. It's perfectly reasonable honestly, he's not a citizen, so they don't have to extend him any hospitality.bededog

Erm he has that right in the US. Not really in the UK. The UK doesn't need to follow the US constitution.

Pixel-Pirate

Minus that book burning.

I wish America would ban some people from entrance.-Big_Red-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_banned_from_entering_the_United_Kingdom

Lol at some of this list, gutted Chris Brown. I presume someone has put Obama on there as a joke right? I might do my first wiki edit.

Ravensmash

I'm not arguing that the shouldn't ban extremists, I'm saying Jones shouldn't be considered an extremist. All the media attention he has gotten is unwarranted, who cares if he wants to burn a book. Burning of books doesn't hurt anyone. I think the media and the UK government are overacting. bededog

Minus that book burning.

__Chris__

The Nazis campaign of burning books cannot be compared to one individual burning books.bededog

[QUOTE="__Chris__"]

Minus that book burning.

bededog

I was semi joking

I believe that burning books is terrible. If the man in question is looking to cause a disturbance then the country he's looking to enter has every right to ban him from entering. It will help set forth a precedent that people need to be respectful when visiting their country.idk_lol

Burning books is fine. Some citizens in the US stepped way over the line when they blew up a mountain of disco records in the 70s. I think all the attendees of that event were banned from the UK as well in fear of antagonizing our disco loving nation.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_banned_from_entering_the_United_Kingdom

Lol at some of this list, gutted Chris Brown. I presume someone has put Obama on there as a joke right? I might do my first wiki edit.

-Big_Red-

▲ I've never heard of him before. ▲

Not in scale, but surely in intent. Both Terry Jones and the Nazis wanted to intimidate those outside their belief system by symbolically destroying what they stood for.

Danm_999

[QUOTE="idk_lol"]I believe that burning books is terrible. If the man in question is looking to cause a disturbance then the country he's looking to enter has every right to ban him from entering. It will help set forth a precedent that people need to be respectful when visiting their country.poptart

Burning books is fine. Some citizens in the US stepped way over the line when they blew up a mountain of disco records in the 70s. I think all the attendees of that event were banned from the UK as well in fear of antagonizing our disco loving nation.

[QUOTE="bededog"] Of course I realize the symbolism of what he is doing, I still think that is okay. Danm_999

▲...He can say what he wants. Freedom of speech, eh? People in the middle east call westerners devil all the time. So what. ▲

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

Not in scale, but surely in intent. Both Terry Jones and the Nazis wanted to intimidate those outside their belief system by symbolically destroying what they stood for.

bededog

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_banned_from_entering_the_United_Kingdom

Lol at some of this list, gutted Chris Brown. I presume someone has put Obama on there as a joke right? I might do my first wiki edit.

Ravensmash

I think the US are highly stringent with whom they do and don't allow in - any kind of criminal record then you'll find it very tough...

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="bededog"] Of course I realize the symbolism of what he is doing, I still think that is okay. Loco_Live

▲...He can say what he wants. Freedom of speech, eh? People in the middle east call westerners devil all the time. So what. ▲

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="bededog"] Of course I realize the symbolism of what he is doing, I still think that is okay. Loco_Live

▲...He can say what he wants. Freedom of speech, eh? People in the middle east call westerners devil all the time. So what. ▲

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="bededog"] Of course I realize the symbolism of what he is doing, I still think that is okay. Loco_Live

▲...He can say what he wants. Freedom of speech, eh? People in the middle east call westerners devil all the time. So what. ▲

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] You think it's ok he calls the Koran "of the devil"?Ravensmash

▲...He can say what he wants. Freedom of speech, eh? People in the middle east call westerners devil all the time. So what. ▲

▲ Doesn't bother me. I'm not religous. I don't let other people bother me. And I enjoy my time and surround myself with people that are generally cool. U all just easily irritated. Chillax. ▲

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲...He can say what he wants. Freedom of speech, eh? People in the middle east call westerners devil all the time. So what. ▲

Loco_Live

▲ Doesn't bother me. I'm not religous. I don't let other people bother me. And I enjoy my time and surround myself with people that are generally cool. U all just easily irritated. Chillax. ▲

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Would you be happy with a preacher who did that coming into your country to speak at an event like that?Danm_999

▲ Doesn't bother me. I'm not religous. I don't let other people bother me. And I enjoy my time and surround myself with people that are generally cool. U all just easily irritated. Chillax. ▲

▲ If I met somebody who was directly trying to take away my freedoms/ set me to slavery, I would pick up arms. But I don't even know what we're talking about. I'm just talking. ▲

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]The UK government does not want extremists in its country causing dissent. As such, they ban them, regardless of their religion or political views. It's perfectly reasonable honestly, he's not a citizen, so they don't have to extend him any hospitality.bededog

Erm he has that right in the US. Not really in the UK. The UK doesn't need to follow the US constitution.

Pixel-Pirate

You said he has the right to free speech an that includes book burning. What does his rights matter at all? The rights granted to him by the US constitution sorta expire once you leave the US.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/20/pastor-terry-jones-banned-uk

Views on this?

I'm glad to be honest. I thought the whole 'Burn a Koran' thing seemed like he just wanted to antagonise people.

"We are not against Muslims, we are not against Islam. We welcome Muslims and have only spoken out against the radical element of Islam."

^ He may say this now, but then why would he want to burn their book to fight radical elements, when what he was proposing could also be termed as radical.

Sucks that he can't see his daughter over here, but yeah I don't think his arrival would be productive in the least.

Ravensmash

yeah, I agree.

Radicals dont use the Quran, they abuse it as worse as one who burns it abuses it.

Bit extreme isn't it?LJS9502_basic

Burning the Qur'an is just the beginning - he'll be eating our children next.

[QUOTE="idk_lol"]I believe that burning books is terrible. If the man in question is looking to cause a disturbance then the country he's looking to enter has every right to ban him from entering. It will help set forth a precedent that people need to be respectful when visiting their country.poptart

Burning books is fine. Some citizens in the US stepped way over the line when they blew up a mountain of disco records in the 70s. I think all the attendees of that event were banned from the UK as well in fear of antagonizing our disco loving nation.

Good! none of us wanted the ex-Hilter youth, kiddy fiddling Pope over here. Why would we wantsome American religious nut job?

Glad to hear that :'P

Hmm I was thinking Terry Jones of Monty Python...

i dont think he should be banned if his only intention was to visit his daughter

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

Not in scale, but surely in intent. Both Terry Jones and the Nazis wanted to intimidate those outside their belief system by symbolically destroying what they stood for.

bededog

Why do people seem to think that having the right to free speech also means having a right to be free from consequences of speech?

What he did is no different from making terrorist threats. I'm glad I won't be seeing him