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The stock market hit a record high today. Apparently, all of those huge amounts of corporate profits are going to the richest among us. trickle down economics at work? More like trickle down onto your heads. Discuss. nocoolnamejim
Meh, my portfolio has never been higher. Maybe you should buy "Investing for Dummies" or something if you feel you're missing out.
[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]The stock market hit a record high today.
 Apparently, all of those huge amounts of corporate profits are going to the richest among us. trickle down economics at work? More like trickle down onto your heads. Discuss. Storm_Marine
Meh, my portfolio has never been higher. Maybe you should buy "Investing for Dummies" or something if you feel you're missing out.
I'd recommend "Statistics for Dummies" for you. Start with the section that talks about sample sizes. It'll help you understand that a sample size of 1 person (you) is not statistically viable in a nation of over 300 million.So the rich are getting richer, but yet, they don't want to pay extra taxes to help the economy get better.
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Got it.
[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]The stock market hit a record high today.
 Apparently, all of those huge amounts of corporate profits are going to the richest among us. trickle down economics at work? More like trickle down onto your heads. Discuss. nocoolnamejim
Meh, my portfolio has never been higher. Maybe you should buy "Investing for Dummies" or something if you feel you're missing out.
I'd recommend "Statistics for Dummies" for you. Start with the section that talks about sample sizes. It'll help you understand that a sample size of 1 person (you) is not statistically viable in a nation of over 300 million.Clearly I'm doing something smart then. If the rest of the 99% is doing so crappy.
[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]The stock market hit a record high today.
 Apparently, all of those huge amounts of corporate profits are going to the richest among us. trickle down economics at work? More like trickle down onto your heads. Discuss. nocoolnamejim
Meh, my portfolio has never been higher. Maybe you should buy "Investing for Dummies" or something if you feel you're missing out.
I'd recommend "Statistics for Dummies" for you. Start with the section that talks about sample sizes. It'll help you understand that a sample size of 1 person (you) is not statistically viable in a nation of over 300 million. Also, most people in lower income brackets can't afford to invest, because they have to spend all of their money to pay their bills, pay for food, etc.It's a bit odd, eh? They're making all these profits, but if the government increases taxes, or does away with tax cuts, they threaten to have to lay off more workers, or that they won't be able to hire anymore. Well, they're not hiring anyway, and eventually, if they lay more off, they could wind up with a toxic corporate culture and turnover could be rather costly...So the rich are getting richer, but yet, they don't want to pay extra taxes to help the economy get better.
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Got it.
Netherscourge
The issue isn't so much that these corporations are making record profits with a more efficient workforce, it's that they're making these record profits and then just sitting on them instead of reinvesting or simply returning the cash to stockholders. At this rate it seems like the only solution would be to start taxing retained earnings at some ludicrous rate (which would have the added bonus of probably solving the deficit issue, too).Â
I'd recommend "Statistics for Dummies" for you. Start with the section that talks about sample sizes. It'll help you understand that a sample size of 1 person (you) is not statistically viable in a nation of over 300 million.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]
Meh, my portfolio has never been higher. Maybe you should buy "Investing for Dummies" or something if you feel you're missing out.
Storm_Marine
Clearly I'm doing something right then.
Congrats. You've successfully bragged about your portfolio and dodged any sort of substantive reply to the points in my original post. 1. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists, then why are the stock market and corporate profits at record highs? 2. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate success and individual profit, then why are the richest income brackets doing better than they have since the 1950s? 3. If giving tax cuts to the rich (the job creators) means more jobs for everyone else, then why are the rich simply choosing to not create jobs when they have record profits and the best stock market ever? Your posts have dodged every one of these questions from the original post.[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] I'd recommend "Statistics for Dummies" for you. Start with the section that talks about sample sizes. It'll help you understand that a sample size of 1 person (you) is not statistically viable in a nation of over 300 million. nocoolnamejim
Clearly I'm doing something right then.
Congrats. You've successfully bragged about your portfolio and dodged any sort of substantive reply to the points in my original post. 1. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists, then why are the stock market and corporate profits at record highs? 2. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate success and individual profit, then why are the richest income brackets doing better than they have since the 1950s? 3. If giving tax cuts to the rich (the job creators) means more jobs for everyone else, then why are the rich simply choosing to not create jobs when they have record profits and the best stock market ever? Your posts have dodged every one of these questions from the original post.Lol, trying to bait me into an Obama discussion. Nice try.
Congrats. You've successfully bragged about your portfolio and dodged any sort of substantive reply to the points in my original post. 1. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists, then why are the stock market and corporate profits at record highs? 2. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate success and individual profit, then why are the richest income brackets doing better than they have since the 1950s? 3. If giving tax cuts to the rich (the job creators) means more jobs for everyone else, then why are the rich simply choosing to not create jobs when they have record profits and the best stock market ever? Your posts have dodged every one of these questions from the original post.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]
Clearly I'm doing something right then.
Storm_Marine
Lol, trying to bait me into an Obama discussion. Nice try.
You're in this thread, and that's what this thread is about. Not my fault if you can't rebut any of those points with anything other than anecdotal "hey, my stock portfolio is doing fine".[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Congrats. You've successfully bragged about your portfolio and dodged any sort of substantive reply to the points in my original post. 1. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists, then why are the stock market and corporate profits at record highs? 2. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate success and individual profit, then why are the richest income brackets doing better than they have since the 1950s? 3. If giving tax cuts to the rich (the job creators) means more jobs for everyone else, then why are the rich simply choosing to not create jobs when they have record profits and the best stock market ever? Your posts have dodged every one of these questions from the original post.nocoolnamejim
Lol, trying to bait me into an Obama discussion. Nice try.
You're in this thread, and that's what this thread is about. Not my fault if you can't rebut any of those points with anything other than anecdotal "hey, my stock portfolio is doing fine".The news article is about the stock market, can we not have a casual discussion about our personal experience in it without getting all upset about Obama and politics?
You seem upset.... Did you pull out of the market a few months ago or something?? :(
Record Profits Seems a pretty safe assumption given that American Profits are at all-time highs.Are high American profits even what's pushing the market up in the first place?
Storm_Marine
[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]Record Profits Seems a pretty safe assumption given that American Profits are at all-time highs.Are high American profits even what's pushing the market up in the first place?
nocoolnamejim
And I was worried it was all just hype, good to see there are some strong earnings to back it up!
You're in this thread, and that's what this thread is about. Not my fault if you can't rebut any of those points with anything other than anecdotal "hey, my stock portfolio is doing fine".[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]
Lol, trying to bait me into an Obama discussion. Nice try.
Storm_Marine
The news article is about the stock market, can we not have a casual discussion about our personal experience in it without getting all upset about Obama and politics?
You seem upset.... Did you pull out of the market a few months ago or something?? :(
Nope. But you seem determined to try and avoid discussing the actual subjects of my thread. [quote="The guy who knows what the topic of his own thread is"] Now I know what you're thinking. This can't be true. President Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate individual profit and capitalism. You didn't build that! Sorry Storm...but you couldn't find my sensitive spots if I gave you a century to do it. I know you'd prefer to continue trying to dodge the proof that Obama and Democrats aren't crushing corporate America and Capitalism, but I'm not going to let you derail the thread. I've given you three questions. Address them please. [quote="nocoolnamejim"] 1. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists, then why are the stock market and corporate profits at record highs? 2. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate success and individual profit, then why are the richest income brackets doing better than they have since the 1950s? 3. If giving tax cuts to the rich (the job creators) means more jobs for everyone else, then why are the rich simply choosing to not create jobs when they have record profits and the best stock market ever?[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] You're in this thread, and that's what this thread is about. Not my fault if you can't rebut any of those points with anything other than anecdotal "hey, my stock portfolio is doing fine".nocoolnamejim
The news article is about the stock market, can we not have a casual discussion about our personal experience in it without getting all upset about Obama and politics?
You seem upset.... Did you pull out of the market a few months ago or something?? :(
Nope. But you seem determined to try and avoid discussing the actual subjects of my thread.Now I know what you're thinking. This can't be true. President Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate individual profit and capitalism. You didn't build that! The guy who knows what the topic of his own thread isSorry Storm...but you couldn't find my sensitive spots if I gave you a century to do it. I know you'd prefer to continue trying to dodge the proof that Obama and Democrats aren't crushing corporate America and Capitalism, but I'm not going to let you derail the thread. I've given you three questions. Address them please.
1. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists, then why are the stock market and corporate profits at record highs? 2. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate success and individual profit, then why are the richest income brackets doing better than they have since the 1950s? 3. If giving tax cuts to the rich (the job creators) means more jobs for everyone else, then why are the rich simply choosing to not create jobs when they have record profits and the best stock market ever? nocoolnamejim
what is this? School?
If I write a 5 page essay on how we should tax the hell out of everyone and use that money to build roads and bridges will I get full marks professor?
My investments are near their all time high, just like Storm Marine. Our anecdotal evidence clearly is superior to stratified statistical sampling, randomized sampling, or quadrant sampling that is performed in those articles.
Nope. But you seem determined to try and avoid discussing the actual subjects of my thread.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]
The news article is about the stock market, can we not have a casual discussion about our personal experience in it without getting all upset about Obama and politics?
You seem upset.... Did you pull out of the market a few months ago or something?? :(
Storm_Marine
Now I know what you're thinking. This can't be true. President Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate individual profit and capitalism. You didn't build that! The guy who knows what the topic of his own thread isSorry Storm...but you couldn't find my sensitive spots if I gave you a century to do it. I know you'd prefer to continue trying to dodge the proof that Obama and Democrats aren't crushing corporate America and Capitalism, but I'm not going to let you derail the thread. I've given you three questions. Address them please.
1. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists, then why are the stock market and corporate profits at record highs? 2. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate success and individual profit, then why are the richest income brackets doing better than they have since the 1950s? 3. If giving tax cuts to the rich (the job creators) means more jobs for everyone else, then why are the rich simply choosing to not create jobs when they have record profits and the best stock market ever? nocoolnamejim
what is this? School?
No. A thread you're voluntarily participating in. The price for participation is addressing the topic of the thread.Stop being passive agressive and answer the TC's questions. It's not that hard to actually comtribute to a topic, I'll demostrate for you since you seem to be one of those people that need a good example to follow.ÂIf I write a 5 page essay on how we should tax the hell out of everyone and use that money to build roads and bridges will I get full marks professor?
Storm_Marine
It's not surprising the stock market is booming, but there's another crash on the horizon because instead of bad housing debt, it's ba student loan debt that the fat cats are packaging and selling at a high profit. This bubble will pop soon enough and that will be when the real investment opprotunities will begin.Â
My investments are near their all time high, just like Storm Marine.
Zlurodirom
Hello fellow One Percenter!
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The stock market hit a record high today. nocoolnamejim
Great! Now that the people at the top are clearly happy due to being richer than ever that trickle down theory will really kick in in the form of a lot more jobs, and.....
 But, apparently, Job Creators aren't creating jobs despite record profits because, well, they can make more money just keeping the extra worker productivity and working them harder. nocoolnamejim
damn
[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]Sorry Storm...but you couldn't find my sensitive spots if I gave you a century to do it. I know you'd prefer to continue trying to dodge the proof that Obama and Democrats aren't crushing corporate America and Capitalism, but I'm not going to let you derail the thread. I've given you three questions. Address them please.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Nope. But you seem determined to try and avoid discussing the actual subjects of my thread. [quote="The guy who knows what the topic of his own thread is"] Now I know what you're thinking. This can't be true. President Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate individual profit and capitalism. You didn't build that! nocoolnamejim
1. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists, then why are the stock market and corporate profits at record highs? 2. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate success and individual profit, then why are the richest income brackets doing better than they have since the 1950s? 3. If giving tax cuts to the rich (the job creators) means more jobs for everyone else, then why are the rich simply choosing to not create jobs when they have record profits and the best stock market ever? nocoolnamejim
what is this? School?
No. A thread you're voluntarily participating in. The price for participation is addressing the topic of the thread.The topic is the stock market, you wrapping it up with political flamebait doesn't change that.
[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Nope. But you seem determined to try and avoid discussing the actual subjects of my thread. [quote="The guy who knows what the topic of his own thread is"] Now I know what you're thinking. This can't be true. President Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate individual profit and capitalism. You didn't build that! Sorry Storm...but you couldn't find my sensitive spots if I gave you a century to do it. I know you'd prefer to continue trying to dodge the proof that Obama and Democrats aren't crushing corporate America and Capitalism, but I'm not going to let you derail the thread. I've given you three questions. Address them please. [quote="nocoolnamejim"] 1. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists, then why are the stock market and corporate profits at record highs? 2. If Obama and the Democrats are socialists who hate success and individual profit, then why are the richest income brackets doing better than they have since the 1950s? 3. If giving tax cuts to the rich (the job creators) means more jobs for everyone else, then why are the rich simply choosing to not create jobs when they have record profits and the best stock market ever? That's been stated and responded to previously. If your next post isn't on-topic and non-disruptive I'll remove you from the thread so that those of us who want to participate in it can.The topic is the stock market, you wrapping it up with political flamebait doesn't change that.
Storm_Marine
[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]
My investments are near their all time high, just like Storm Marine.
Storm_Marine
Hello fellow One Percenter!
If I am the 1% I feel terrible for the bottom 99%, I don't even have a car.
P.S thanks for taking my statement out of context!
P.P.S I recalculated, I am in fact at an all time high.
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]He doesn't control the Federal Reserve and all the quantitative easing.We need to remove that crazy socialist Presi... what a minute...
KC_Hokie
He's also not a socialist.Â
He doesn't control the Federal Reserve and all the quantitative easing.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
We need to remove that crazy socialist Presi... what a minute...
jimkabrhel
He's also not a socialist.Â
He has nothing to do with the stock market which is the topic.[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] He doesn't control the Federal Reserve and all the quantitative easing. KC_Hokie
He's also not a socialist.Â
He has nothing to do with the stock market which is the topic. Stock market is only part of the topic. The question is asked in the original post how the stock market and private enterprise can be performing so well if Obama and the Democrats are pursuing socialist policies that attack the rich and punish success.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]He has nothing to do with the stock market which is the topic.Stock market is only part of the topic. The question is asked in the original post how the stock market and private enterprise can be performing so well if Obama and the Democrats are pursuing socialist policies that attack the rich and punish success.He's also not a socialist.Â
nocoolnamejim
so you admit it's part of the topic?
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]He has nothing to do with the stock market which is the topic. Stock market is only part of the topic. The question is asked in the original post how the stock market and private enterprise can be performing so well if Obama and the Democrats are pursuing socialist policies that attack the rich and punish success. Federal Reserve is on to quantitative easing #3 pumping $40 billion into mortgage-backed securities causing this stock bubble.He's also not a socialist.Â
nocoolnamejim
Policies of President are dwarfed by the Fed.
Stock market is only part of the topic. The question is asked in the original post how the stock market and private enterprise can be performing so well if Obama and the Democrats are pursuing socialist policies that attack the rich and punish success. Federal Reserve is on to quantitative easing #3 pumping $40 billion into mortgage-backed securities causing this stock bubble.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] He has nothing to do with the stock market which is the topic.KC_Hokie
Policies of President are dwarfed by the Fed.
$40 billion into an economy of our size isn't a lot. Are you saying $40 billion per month? Can you give me a link?[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Federal Reserve is on to quantitative easing #3 pumping $40 billion into mortgage-backed securities causing this stock bubble.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Stock market is only part of the topic. The question is asked in the original post how the stock market and private enterprise can be performing so well if Obama and the Democrats are pursuing socialist policies that attack the rich and punish success.nocoolnamejim
Policies of President are dwarfed by the Fed.
$40 billion into an economy of our size isn't a lot. Are you saying $40 billion per month? Can you give me a link?It's a significant increase every month which keeps interest rates at historic lows creating this artificial bull market which is over due for correction.http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/monetary/20121024a.htm
$40 billion into an economy of our size isn't a lot. Are you saying $40 billion per month? Can you give me a link?It's a significant increase every month which keeps interest rates at historic lows creating this artificial bull market which is over due for correction.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Federal Reserve is on to quantitative easing #3 pumping $40 billion into mortgage-backed securities causing this stock bubble.
Policies of President are dwarfed by the Fed.
KC_Hokie
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/monetary/20121024a.htm
Interesting. Why do you think it is overdue for a correction? After all, stock market is based largely on the expectation of future earnings. You're betting against the consensus of the market, including a lot of pretty smart people, in saying that we're due for a crash. I'm not saying you're wrong since this is probably a bit over my head at this point, but I haven't read a lot of news articles warning about the possibility of an upcoming crash. If anything, the consensus view seems to be pretty rosy at the moment.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's a significant increase every month which keeps interest rates at historic lows creating this artificial bull market which is over due for correction.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] $40 billion into an economy of our size isn't a lot. Are you saying $40 billion per month? Can you give me a link?nocoolnamejim
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/monetary/20121024a.htm
Interesting. Why do you think it is overdue for a correction? After all, stock market is based largely on the expectation of future earnings. You're betting against the consensus of the market, including a lot of pretty smart people, in saying that we're due for a crash. I'm not saying you're wrong since this is probably a bit over my head at this point, but I haven't read a lot of news articles warning about the possibility of an upcoming crash. If anything, the consensus view seems to be pretty rosy at the moment.Economy in terms of GDP, employment, etc. is stagnant. Ditto with the Eurozone and Japan. China, Brazil, India are flat.People put their money into stocks because there was no where else to put your money when interest rates are so slow with precious metals hitting records.
The Federal Reserve has created an investor bubble in the stock market because of their quantitative easing policies. And the economic indicators simply don't support the notion the worldwide economy will continue to grow.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's a significant increase every month which keeps interest rates at historic lows creating this artificial bull market which is over due for correction.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] $40 billion into an economy of our size isn't a lot. Are you saying $40 billion per month? Can you give me a link?nocoolnamejim
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/monetary/20121024a.htm
Interesting. Why do you think it is overdue for a correction? After all, stock market is based largely on the expectation of future earnings. You're betting against the consensus of the market, including a lot of pretty smart people, in saying that we're due for a crash. I'm not saying you're wrong since this is probably a bit over my head at this point, but I haven't read a lot of news articles warning about the possibility of an upcoming crash. If anything, the consensus view seems to be pretty rosy at the moment. just seems that the rosy view will not be manifesting in the form of new jobs.Please Log In to post.
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