Stephen King: Literary Genius or Hack?

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#1 jalexbrown
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What do you think, OT? I have my opinion, but I want to hear yours first.

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#2 themajormayor
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Well. I don't like horror regardless of medium. And Shawshank Redemption sucked hard. So he gets a 0/10 from me
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#3 superfluidity
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He's somewhere in between those extremes.

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#4 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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With the amount of books he's written there are bound to be some great ones and some terrible ones.

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#5 dave123321
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He's somewhere in between those extremes.

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#6 rocinante_
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no hack can write something as good as the stand...though it's the only book of his i've read :P

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#7 dave123321
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Why the two extremes anyway?
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#9 jalexbrown
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Why the two extremes anyway?dave123321
Prior to this, most everyone's opinion I've known has been one of these two extremes.
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#10 Elraptor
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A bit of both, I expect, but I hold 'Salem's Lot in the highest regard.
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#11 Oleg_Huzwog
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Prior to "On Writing", he was to writing what Michael Bay is to movies: successful, entertaining, popular, but no lasting literary value.

But after that book, critics were asking "wait, has he had the ability to be a great writer all along, but just never chose to do so?"

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#12 Lief_Ericson
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I have wanted to read his Dark Tower series but never read anything of his.

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#13 NiKva
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Neither. He's just lucky. A lot of his novels suck, maybe like half of them. The rest are awesome though.
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#15 -Sun_Tzu-
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I've never read any of his books.

I did like the film adaption of Shawshank Redemption though.

Then again, The Shining is the least favorite Kubrick movie I've seen.

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#16 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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Some goods stuff. A lot of mediocre stuff. So in between the two choices.

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#17 Videodogg
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You guys are nuts. Stephen King is a excellent writer.

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#18 -Sun_Tzu-
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a excellent writer.

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smh
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#19 DharmaMember77
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Prior to "On Writing", he was to writing what Michael Bay is to movies: successful, entertaining, popular, but no lasting literary value.

But after that book, critics were asking "wait, has he had the ability to be a great writer all along, but just never chose to do so?"

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You're trying too hard with that comparison to Bay. At least King took the time to fully develop his characters in his works.

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#20 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Prior to "On Writing", he was to writing what Michael Bay is to movies: successful, entertaining, popular, but no lasting literary value.

But after that book, critics were asking "wait, has he had the ability to be a great writer all along, but just never chose to do so?"

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You're trying too hard with that comparison to Bay. At least King took the time to fully develop his characters in his works.

He is indeed great at character development. In pretty much every one of his books, just about every character feels like someone you could actually meet on the street.
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#21 ShadowsDemon
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He's brillant.
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#22 1oh1nine1
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I said literary genius. Sure, he's had some duds, and some so-so books, but he's written soooo freakin many. The fact remains that his most brilliant books (such as It) were written by a brilliant author--him! As far as the so-so popcorn thriller type books, I chalk that up to his own enthusiastic interest in horror and the fact that he pretty much does what he wants.

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#23 Human-after-all
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He has a pretty impressive record considering how many books he releases. Upper echelon for sure. He also did books under Richard Bachman(sp).
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#24 almasdeathchild
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meh,ive liked very very few of his books the rest are just eh

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#25 FelipeInside
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Well. I don't like horror regardless of medium. And Shawshank Redemption sucked hard. So he gets a 0/10 from methemajormayor
Shawshank Redemption sucked? Shows how much you know about writing and story telling....
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#26 dercoo
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While not all his works are good(many are down right awful), when he hits his stride, he hits it out of the ball park.

And admire his work ethic, and willingness to branch out. Many modern authors fal into the trap of writting 1 big series, then writing nothing but spinoffs and self knock offs after that.

The shear amount of work he cranks out in soo many different genres is ahh inspiring.

He's published 49 novels alone!

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#27 Ilovegames1992
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One of my favourite authors. Has written some masterpieces in his time. Although due to his huge output of work, he tends to write some bad stuff too.

8/10 for me.

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#28 FelipeInside
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While not all his works are good(many are down right awful), when he hits his stride, he hits it out of the ball park.

And admire his work ethic, and willingness to branch out. Many modern authors fal into the trap of writting 1 big series, then writing nothing but spinoffs and self knock offs after that.

The shear amount of work he cranks out in soo many different genres is ahh inspiring.

He's published 49 novels alone!

dercoo
And most of them are connected.
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#29 GreySeal9
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Not a literary genius, but certainly a great writer.

If you want a real example of a hack, look at Dean Koontz.

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#30 FelipeInside
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Not a literary genius, but certainly a great writer.

If you want a real example of a hack, look at Dean Koontz.

GreySeal9

What is meant by literary genius?

I have yet to read another author that has written so many novels, most of them top quality, and most of them connected to his Dark Tower Series.

As in:

S

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#31 The_Gaming_Baby
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Neither. Some of his stuff is brilliant, others are boring. But he's much closer to Genius than he is to Hack

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#33 surrealnumber5
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as a person who lives with a poltergeist lamp, possessed frying pan, and a bewitched broom, i can tell you he is completely out of touch with reality
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#34 tenaka2
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Shawshank redemption.

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#35 Modern_Fit
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For the most part I find that Stephen King is a good writer and even the best writers have written a mediocre book or two.
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#36 MoonFZ
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The title is like a title of a book, lol. Btw, Literary Genius, IMO
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#37 NiKva
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Not a literary genius, but certainly a great writer.

If you want a real example of a hack, look at Dean Koontz.

FelipeInside

What is meant by literary genius?

I have yet to read another author that has written so many novels, most of them top quality, and most of them connected to his Dark Tower Series.

As in:

S

It only makes sense, he stories take place in the same town with the same people or their relatives. That'd be like comparing everything that JK Rowling's characters have done to each other :l
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#38 Big_Bad_Sad
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I still haven't read anything by him.
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#39 Strider_91
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He's somewhere in between those extremes.

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I'd say a hell of a lot closer to the first one though - like anyone he has released some poor stuff
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#40 DaBrainz
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Before he got ran over by a van: Genius After he got ran over by a van: Hack
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#41 bigfoot2045
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I would say he's a bit of both. Some of his stuff has been really amazing and innovative, and some of it is just crap so he can get a paycheck.

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#43 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Not a literary genius, but certainly a great writer.

If you want a real example of a hack, look at Dean Koontz.

NiKva

What is meant by literary genius?

I have yet to read another author that has written so many novels, most of them top quality, and most of them connected to his Dark Tower Series.

As in:

S

It only makes sense, he stories take place in the same town with the same people or their relatives. That'd be like comparing everything that JK Rowling's characters have done to each other :l

True, but they are all related to Dark Tower, which is based on another dimension.
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#44 Aquat1cF1sh
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I've only read Thinner and part of Pet Sematary, and Pet Sematary had one part that involved them walking through the woods and doing nothing else. Stephen King rambled on for literally 10 pages on the characters walking through the woods. It was... meh.

Overall I don't know though, but I liked Thinner.

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#45 deactivated-6016f2513d412
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He's somewhere in between those extremes.superfluidity

Yeah.

I haven't read any of his books in years, but I remember thinking that he's a good storyteller and that he writes characters well. I don't think that he's a "literary genius" by any means, but then again I don't really know the criteria for that anyway, but he's good at telling his stories successfully. He's a very prolific writer, so he has written some mediocre books over the years, but that doesn't take away from the successful books he's written.

His book IT is honestly one of my favorite books. I remember being so surprised by its depth and the sheer size of its universe when I first read it.

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Well. I don't like horror regardless of medium. And Shawshank Redemption sucked hard. So he gets a 0/10 from methemajormayor
WHAT?! :P

Definitely in the middle. I'd say he's what Michael Jackson is to Mozart - Wildly popular with some genuinely good work and some genuinely bad work, but not at the consistently brilliant level of, say, Shakespeare.
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#47 FelipeInside
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I've only read Thinner and part of Pet Sematary, and Pet Sematary had one part that involved them walking through the woods and doing nothing else. Stephen King rambled on for literally 10 pages on the characters walking through the woods. It was... meh.

Overall I don't know though, but I liked Thinner.

Aquat1cF1sh
Those 10 pages were to put you into the mood and immerse you into the woods.
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#48 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="superfluidity"]He's somewhere in between those extremes.t3hrubikscube

Yeah.

I haven't read any of his books in years, but I remember thinking that he's a good storyteller and that he writes characters well. I don't think that he's a "literary genius" by any means, but then again I don't really know the criteria for that anyway, but he's good at telling his stories successfully. He's a very prolific writer, so he has written some mediocre books over the years, but that doesn't take away from the successful books he's written.

His book IT is honestly one of my favorite books. I remember being so surprised by its depth and the sheer size of its universe when I first read it.

IT is incredible, in a way. It's scope is enormous, and it's one of the best displays of modern characterization I've ever seen.
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#49 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]He's somewhere in between those extremes.mattbbpl

Yeah.

I haven't read any of his books in years, but I remember thinking that he's a good storyteller and that he writes characters well. I don't think that he's a "literary genius" by any means, but then again I don't really know the criteria for that anyway, but he's good at telling his stories successfully. He's a very prolific writer, so he has written some mediocre books over the years, but that doesn't take away from the successful books he's written.

His book IT is honestly one of my favorite books. I remember being so surprised by its depth and the sheer size of its universe when I first read it.

IT is incredible, in a way. It's scope is enormous, and it's one of the best displays of modern characterization I've ever seen.

Sheer size of it's Universe? You should definitely read The Dark Tower Series then.... makes IT look small.
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#50 TheFallenDemon
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so when is Stephen King gonna give us Milkman no. 3?

by far the greatest of his works were Milkman no. 1 and Milkman no. 2.

even better than salem's lot, dark tower, it, the running man, different seasons and the stand put together.