R. Senator Tom Coburn attempts to remove the NFL from it's tax exempt status.

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]Who in their right mind could look at the NFL and go, "Yep, that's a non-profit organization"? thegerg

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]Who in their right mind could look at the NFL and go, "Yep, that's a non-profit organization"? thegerg

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Libertarians are hilarious.Person0

There really isn't that many. They're just really loud because they're 17.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="famicommander"] The only time I've used any government "service" has been when government has outlawed any possible alternative. I was coerced into using them.Master_Live

You can build as many roads as you want on your own property. Plus most road construction is done by private firms contracted by the government. Also, you can hire private security if you don't want to utilize the police force. Can't say I've ever heard of private firefighters, but I'm guessing there's not much profit in it.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="famicommander"] It's not "people" in the broad sense, but a specific group of persons. Generally, the most amoral and corrupt persons a society has to offer. Just because a particular group of persons has won the approval (or indifference, or bitter acceptance) of a majority of people in a given area doesn't mean it's okay for them to commit robbery or murder or kidnapping.famicommander

No, he was not. He lost the only election he ever ran in. Frankly presenting something as false as this as a truth undermines your entire argument here. (You also fail by Godwin'ing the topic in the first place.)

This thread just gave me cancer.

^ sounds like a corporation.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="famicommander"]The only time I've used any government "service" has been when government has outlawed any possible alternative. I was coerced into using them.Master_Live

The governement does not have a monopoly on roads as seen by the private high speed toll road in Texas. He could use said road, but he would have to pay to do so. In this case, a private entity built a portion of the road and owns said portion of the road it built up to the portion of the road that the state built, after that, he would have to purchase fuel in order to "pay" to use that portion of the road. 

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

No, they would make around the same. The league itself may be tax-exempt, but the teams are not. And what's the problem with the players making millions anyway? Why should they not make as much money as possible at it?

Master_Live

When people throwing a ball around are making more money than astro physicists, doctors etc... seems like a pretty piss poor incentive structure for society to me.

I think everyone can agree if all the kids aspiring to be professional athletes were instead aspiring to be engineers, scientists, and doctors... that would probably be alot more beneficial.

Easy, defund highschool sports programs in favor of math/science classes. The fact that alot of public schools allocate more funding to their football program than their science program is troubling.

EDIT: after all when it comes to tax dollars im willing to bet any study would conclude that money spent towards althetic programs probably has the worst return on investment in terms of future generated tax dollars to tax dollars invested vs any other school program. The fact this crap still gets funded and in such a large capacity is just asanine.

^ sounds like a corporation.

mahlasor

[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

When people throwing a ball around are making more money than astro physicists, doctors etc... seems like a pretty piss poor incentive structure for society to me.

 

I think everyone can agree if all the kids aspiring to be professional athletes were instead aspiring to be engineers, scientists, and doctors... that would probably be alot more beneficial.

BeardMaster

Easy, defund highschool sports programs in favor of math/science classes. The fact that alot of public schools allocate more funding to their football program than their science program is troubling.

EDIT: after all when it comes to tax dollars im willing to bet any study would conclude that money spent towards althetic programs probably has the worst return on investment in terms of future generated tax dollars to tax dollars invested vs any other school program. The fact this crap still gets funded and in such a large capacity is just asanine.

I don't think it matters anyway.  It's not like those tax dollars will go to help poverty anyway.  Maybe this one Republican finally figured out how to make more money for the U.S Army.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]I wasn't aware they were tax exempt. On what grounds are they? I would like to hear the reasoning. HoolaHoopMan

the reasoning is that they "reinvest" the money back into the association by paying rent, officiating fees, and salaries to various NFL chairmen (I believe one guy got paid 31 million dollars last year).

while the NFLs 32 teams bring in a combined $9.5 billion in annual revenue, the league office calls itself a trade association promoting interests of its 32 member clubs. This is a bit likeMcDonalds (MCD) calling itself a trade association promoting the interests of its 14,000 U.S. restaurants. The key difference is that the NFL distributes all its revenue back to the teamsafter covering expenses such as rent, officiating crews, and Commissioner Roger Goodells $30 million salary.

It is on the same grounds as this:

The NFL qualifies as a 501(c)(6), a nonprofit category that includes chambers of commerce, trade groups, real estate boards, and a handful of other sports leagues.

They aren't making a profit. 

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

the reasoning is that they "reinvest" the money back into the association by paying rent, officiating fees, and salaries to various NFL chairmen (I believe one guy got paid 31 million dollars last year).

while the NFLs 32 teams bring in a combined $9.5 billion in annual revenue, the league office calls itself a trade association promoting interests of its 32 member clubs. This is a bit likeMcDonalds (MCD) calling itself a trade association promoting the interests of its 14,000 U.S. restaurants. The key difference is that the NFL distributes all its revenue back to the teamsafter covering expenses such as rent, officiating crews, and Commissioner Roger Goodells $30 million salary.

It is on the same grounds as this:

The NFL qualifies as a 501(c)(6), a nonprofit category that includes chambers of commerce, trade groups, real estate boards, and a handful of other sports leagues.

SpartanMSU

They aren't making a profit. 

The NFL doesn't make a profit?  Satan must be real as well.  

Forgive me father for I've sinned.  I doubted the almighty NFL and am scared I will pay the price.  Please forgive me for living in near poverty while the players make millions and the leagues laugh at Governments and their tax dollars.  I know we were all part of your plan but WTF?   Thank you jesus.....Amen

Where are the people that live in the real world?  Why do we make crap like this so hard?   People are hungry!

....wow sports orginizations are tax excempt? thats insane...why?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

....wow sports orginizations are tax excempt? thats insane...why?

thegerg

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Why they created what?thegerg

I think what's confusing people here is that while the organization itself is an NPO, its really hard to believe that since the players and some of the employees (coaches and team managers) make a lot of money. The words "non-profit organzation" make people think that absolutely no one affiliated with the organization makes any money out of it. The NFL itself doesn't really make a profit, but the players and employees sure do. All that is needed for it to be an NPO is if the organization doesn't make a profit; how much the players and employees make doesn't matter.

Does that help?

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] So a non profit is making fvcking ridiculous profits. Am I alone in seeing how strange that is? Mikey132

They aren't making a profit. 

The NFL doesn't make a profit?  Satan must be real as well.  

Forgive me father for I've sinned.  I doubted the almighty NFL and am scared I will pay the price.  Please forgive me for living in near poverty while the players make millions and the leagues laugh at Governments and their tax dollars.  I know we were all part of your plan but WTF?   Thank you jesus.....Amen

Where are the people that live in the real world?  Why do we make crap like this so hard?   People are hungry!

They do not make a profit, hence the "NPO" designation.

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

They aren't making a profit. 

SpartanMSU

The NFL doesn't make a profit?  Satan must be real as well.  

Forgive me father for I've sinned.  I doubted the almighty NFL and am scared I will pay the price.  Please forgive me for living in near poverty while the players make millions and the leagues laugh at Governments and their tax dollars.  I know we were all part of your plan but WTF?   Thank you jesus.....Amen

Where are the people that live in the real world?  Why do we make crap like this so hard?   People are hungry!

They do not make a profit, hence the "NPO" designation.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

They do not make a profit, hence the "NPO" designation.

thegerg

About 9 billion dollars.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

They do not make a profit, hence the "NPO" designation.

thegerg

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] How much profit did the NFL make last year?thegerg

About 9 billion dollars.

Obviously he confused it with revenue since he doesn't know what profit is.