NSA whistle blower charged with Espionage

eh im sorry but i dont think this guy should be punished at all.  he aired out corruption and the people involved are ticked

now if he sold those secrets to an enemy than ok i can see the issue but as far as we all know he hasnt done such a thing

exposes the government spying on americans, gets charged with spying lol

exposes the government spying on americans, gets charged with spying lol

Flubbbs

exposes the government spying on americans, gets charged with spying lol

Flubbbs

exposes the government spying on americans, gets charged with spying lol Flubbbs

He needs to get out of Hong Kong and try to get asylum some place. The idea that some one could be charged with esponage for revealing an unconstitutional program to Americans isridiculous. Public officials are embarrassed that their program got outed and now they're trying to get revenge on him. 

exposes the government spying on americans, gets charged with spying lol

Flubbbs

That's what he gets for releasing classified information I guess.

It seems like all the Founding Fathers quotes that people like to use on forums don't have much value in today's America.

That's what he gets for releasing classified information I guess.

Lord_Omikron666

[QUOTE="Flubbbs"]

exposes the government spying on americans, gets charged with spying lol

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Flubbbs"]

exposes the government spying on americans, gets charged with spying lol

ThaneKrios28

He's a hero, not a traitor. Considering the current administration though I'm not surprised

NSA Scandal: The biggest non story since the IRS scandal.DroidPhysX

Horseshit.  I'm less worked up over this whole thing than most people, but there seriously needs to be protection for whistleblowers.  THere needs to be transparency about this sort of thing, people shouldn't be jailed for bringing transparency.

Horseshit.  I'm less worked up over this whole thing than most people, but there seriously needs to be protection for whistleblowers.  THere needs to be transparency about this sort of thing, people shouldn't be jailed for bringing transparency.

theone86

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Horseshit.  I'm less worked up over this whole thing than most people, but there seriously needs to be protection for whistleblowers.  THere needs to be transparency about this sort of thing, people shouldn't be jailed for bringing transparency.

BranKetra

He's been more transparent than the last adminsitration.  Before they were wiretapping without warrants, now at least they're going before a secret court.

This man deserves a firing squad.

What he did is inexcusable and he should face the American legal system.

i am eager to see how a highly respectable country like china reacts.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Horseshit.  I'm less worked up over this whole thing than most people, but there seriously needs to be protection for whistleblowers.  THere needs to be transparency about this sort of thing, people shouldn't be jailed for bringing transparency.

theone86

He's been more transparent than the last adminsitration.  Before they were wiretapping without warrants, now at least they're going before a secret court.

 Yes 

The Obama administration promised transparency, but it was obvious that some things would remain secret even before Snowden went to the press about the NSA. An issue many people are addressing now is what should and should not be publicy known about government operations.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Horseshit.  I'm less worked up over this whole thing than most people, but there seriously needs to be protection for whistleblowers.  THere needs to be transparency about this sort of thing, people shouldn't be jailed for bringing transparency.

theone86

He's been more transparent than the last adminsitration.  Before they were wiretapping without warrants, now at least they're going before a secret court.

This man deserves a firing squad.

 

What he did is inexcusable and he should face the American legal system.

 

 

i am eager to see how a highly respectable country like china reacts.

frannkzappa

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

This man deserves a firing squad.

What he did is inexcusable and he should face the American legal system.

i am eager to see how a highly respectable country like china reacts.

wis3boi

would you like to compare opinions through conversation, instead of gif's perhaps?

 Yes 

The Obama administration promised transparency, but it was obvious that some things would remain secret even before Snowden went to the press about the NSA. An issue many people are addressing now is what should and should not be publicy known about government operations.

BranKetra

They promised transparency and they've provided transparency.  Perhaps not complete transparency, but they have been more transparent.  That, and he promised to be transparent in other areas as well and upheld that promise.

When the end result is the same, does it really even matter how it was achieved? Who exactly is on this secret court? How do we know it isn't just a sham to use as an excuse for illegal activitied without any reason?

Toxic-Seahorse

First off, yes it matters because when the process has oversight then there is a mechanism for control in place.  Second, the members on this court are a matter of public record.  Third, it's overseen by Congress.

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Obama promised transparency.Toxic-Seahorse

He's been more transparent than the last adminsitration.  Before they were wiretapping without warrants, now at least they're going before a secret court.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

 Yes 

The Obama administration promised transparency, but it was obvious that some things would remain secret even before Snowden went to the press about the NSA. An issue many people are addressing now is what should and should not be publicy known about government operations.

theone86

They promised transparency and they've provided transparency.  Perhaps not complete transparency, but they have been more transparent.  That, and he promised to be transparent in other areas as well and upheld that promise.

When the end result is the same, does it really even matter how it was achieved? Who exactly is on this secret court? How do we know it isn't just a sham to use as an excuse for illegal activitied without any reason?

Toxic-Seahorse

First off, yes it matters because when the process has oversight then there is a mechanism for control in place.  Second, the members on this court are a matter of public record.  Third, it's overseen by Congress.

I agree with you about the necessity of protection for whistleblowers as long as the general public knowing certain secret information getting revealed would not become a national security risk. 

How does Obama---that most transparent of US presidents---stack up against ALL other US presidents when it comes to prosecuting whistleblowers?

Here are the facts:

Total Number of whistleblowers prosecuted by

George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William H. Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, James A. Garfield, Chester A. Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, Grover Cleveland, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush:

3

.

.

Total number of whistleblowers prosecuted (so far) by Barack Hussein Obama:

6

How does Obama---that most transparent of US presidents---stack up against ALL other US presidents when it comes to prosecuting whistleblowers?

Here are the facts:

Total Number of whistleblowers prosecuted by

George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William H. Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, James A. Garfield, Chester A. Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, Grover Cleveland, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush:

3

.

.

Total number of whistleblowers prosecuted (so far) by Barack Hussein Obama:

6

Stesilaus

this is a bad thing?

seems to show a lack of competence in the other presidents if anything.

How does Obama---that most transparent of US presidents---stack up against ALL other US presidents when it comes to prosecuting whistleblowers?

Here are the facts:

Total Number of whistleblowers prosecuted by

George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William H. Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, James A. Garfield, Chester A. Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, Grover Cleveland, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush:

3

.

.

Total number of whistleblowers prosecuted (so far) by Barack Hussein Obama:

6

 

Stesilaus

Making this about President Obama is a detraction from the real issue, the increasing prosecution of whistleblowers.  This isn't a partisan issue or an issue linked simply to a single politician, this is an issue about where our political system currently stands on the issue.  Romney or any other Republican candidate would have prosecuted those whistleblowers as well (in fact many Republicans have supported some of these prosecutions).  

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

That's what he gets for releasing classified information I guess.

ThaneKrios28

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

That's what he gets for releasing classified information I guess.

ad1x2

Because leaking info and footage about civilians getting killed or questioning the reasnos for a war is "aiding the enemy" and "espionage". Why is this even a democracy? People have every right to question their government even if the government sneezes. And to think that you guys are paying tax. 

thats the thing though. he leaked it to the people of america. its not like he gave it to china or anythingThaneKrios28

Because China does not have access to anything in America; of course.

Because leaking info and footage about civilians getting killed or questioning the reasnos for a war is "aiding the enemy" and "espionage". Why is this even a democracy? People have every right to question their government even if the government sneezes. And to think that you guys are paying tax. 

gamingqueen

Questioning the government =/= being trusted with secret information and then betraying that trust and fleeing the country.

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

How does Obama---that most transparent of US presidents---stack up against ALL other US presidents when it comes to prosecuting whistleblowers?

Here are the facts:

Total Number of whistleblowers prosecuted by

George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William H. Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, James A. Garfield, Chester A. Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, Grover Cleveland, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush:

3

.

.

Total number of whistleblowers prosecuted (so far) by Barack Hussein Obama:

6

 

theone86

Making this about President Obama is a detraction from the real issue, the increasing prosecution of whistleblowers.  This isn't a partisan issue or an issue linked simply to a single politician, this is an issue about where our political system currently stands on the issue.  Romney or any other Republican candidate would have prosecuted those whistleblowers as well (in fact many Republicans have supported some of these prosecutions).  

Why Snowden did it? Because Prism is a violation to a constitutional and basic human right which is the right to privacy. The same goes for Manning and leaking info. Killing civilians is wrong. People care more about the image of the person they elected than stop and question their policies. 

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Because leaking info and footage about civilians getting killed or questioning the reasnos for a war is "aiding the enemy" and "espionage". Why is this even a democracy? People have every right to question their government even if the government sneezes. And to think that you guys are paying tax. 

Squeets

Questioning the government =/= being trusted with secret information and then betraying that trust and fleeing the country.

Not if it means the government is planning to violate people's constitutional and basic rights as the right to privacy. He didn't kill anyone. 

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

He's been more transparent than the last adminsitration.  Before they were wiretapping without warrants, now at least they're going before a secret court.

BranKetra

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Because leaking info and footage about civilians getting killed or questioning the reasnos for a war is "aiding the enemy" and "espionage". Why is this even a democracy? People have every right to question their government even if the government sneezes. And to think that you guys are paying tax. 

Squeets

Questioning the government =/= being trusted with secret information and then betraying that trust and fleeing the country.

what's the right procedure then for whislteblowers in US (or other democratic countries) to tell about government corruption if the corruption goes way up high in the government?

I mean, are there even general guidelines in democratic countries that covers such thing which he didn't take into consideration ?

**** the government, if i wanna send sex messages to my GF them mother ****ers should keep their pervy mits off my sexy time. :evil:

Its not just the US government but the british doing it too.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

This man deserves a firing squad.

What he did is inexcusable and he should face the American legal system.

i am eager to see how a highly respectable country like china reacts.

frannkzappa

would you like to compare opinions through conversation, instead of gif's perhaps?

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Because leaking info and footage about civilians getting killed or questioning the reasnos for a war is "aiding the enemy" and "espionage". Why is this even a democracy? People have every right to question their government even if the government sneezes. And to think that you guys are paying tax. 

Squeets

Questioning the government =/= being trusted with secret information and then betraying that trust and fleeing the country.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]NSA Scandal: The biggest non story since the IRS scandal.Saturos3091