New George Zimmerman Photo. Proof he will be innocent?

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

Not really...as what I wrote was a hypothetical. This was indicated by the use of the word "if".

Stevo_the_gamer

No it isn't, as it hasn't been shown who attacked who.

If Zimmerman was the first person to get physical, going to his gun in a claim of self defense isn't going to help him much...as he put himself in that situation because of his aggressive actions toward another person. How many times does it need to be said that you can't attack someone first and then get hit back and claim your future actions are in self defense? Thats not how it works. The phrase "did not provoke the assault" is included in the stand your ground laws. And Zimmerman wasn't on his property either, which also goes against his defense.

Even if Martin hit Zimmerman first it could be argued that Zimmerman provoked the assault as he was a strange man (not a LEO) following a boy at night. The prosecutor's could easily paint the picture that Martin was feeling threatened at that point and his physical action was him defending himself.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

Not really...as what I wrote was a hypothetical. This was indicated by the use of the word "if".

Cloud_Insurance

No it isn't, as it hasn't been shown who attacked who.

If Zimmerman was the first person to get physical, going to his gun in a claim of self defense isn't going to help him much...as he put himself in that situation because of his aggressive actions toward another person. How many times does it need to be said that you can't attack someone first and then get hit back and claim your future actions are in self defense? Thats not how it works. The phrase "did not provoke the assault" is included in the stand your ground laws. And Zimmerman wasn't on his property either, which also goes against his defense.

Even if Martin hit Zimmerman first it could be argued that Zimmerman provoked the assault as he was a strange man (not a LEO) following a boy at night. The prosecutor's could easily paint the picture that Martin was feeling threatened at that point and his physical action was him defending himself.

No it isn't, as it hasn't been shown who attacked who.

If Zimmerman was the first person to get physical, going to his gun in a claim of self defense isn't going to help him much...as he put himself in that situation because of his aggressive actions toward another person. How many times does it need to be said that you can't attack someone first and then get hit back and claim your future actions are in self defense? Thats not how it works. The phrase "did not provoke the assault" is included in the stand your ground laws. And Zimmerman wasn't on his property either, which also goes against his defense.

Even if Martin hit Zimmerman first it could be argued that Zimmerman provoked the assault as he was a strange man (not a LEO) following a boy at night. The prosecutor's could easily paint the picture that Martin was feeling threatened at that point and his physical action was him defending himself.

Cloud_Insurance

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Only up until a point. The law goes that you have "reasonable limits" to defend yourself against an attack. If you're punched, you may hit back, if you're kicked, you may kick back and so on. Once you defend yourself to the point that the person is disharmed and no longer able to hurt you then you must NOT go on the offensive. In extreme cases even if the person you were defending yourself against dies you can still get acquitted if you show due diligence in a crime that has no mens rea.

In this case, it doesn't really matter who initiated it. What matters is whether or not the person defending themself used a reasonable amount of force.

Zimmerman will be charged with manslaughter either way. He won't get out of it. I don't see the point in debating the law over this especially when its so clear cut if you eliminate the politics of it.Socialist696

he was charged with 2nd degree murder so please stop posting.

[QUOTE="Socialist696"]

Zimmerman will be charged with manslaughter either way. He won't get out of it. I don't see the point in debating the law over this especially when its so clear cut if you eliminate the politics of it.Cloud_Insurance

he was charged with 2nd degree murder so please stop posting.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

Not really...as what I wrote was a hypothetical. This was indicated by the use of the word "if".

Cloud_Insurance

No it isn't, as it hasn't been shown who attacked who.

If Zimmerman was the first person to get physical, going to his gun in a claim of self defense isn't going to help him much...as he put himself in that situation because of his aggressive actions toward another person. How many times does it need to be said that you can't attack someone first and then get hit back and claim your future actions are in self defense? Thats not how it works. The phrase "did not provoke the assault" is included in the stand your ground laws. And Zimmerman wasn't on his property either, which also goes against his defense.

Even if Martin hit Zimmerman first it could be argued that Zimmerman provoked the assault as he was a strange man (not a LEO) following a boy at night. The prosecutor's could easily paint the picture that Martin was feeling threatened at that point and his physical action was him defending himself.

Read aljosas post. Then read it again.Stevo_the_gamer

his post doesn't refute what I wrote.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Read aljosas post. Then read it again.Cloud_Insurance

his post doesn't refute what I wrote.

[QUOTE="Socialist696"]

I guaranteed at the end of the day, your ass will be grass over mine when it comes down to it. Survival of the fittest.

Cloud_Insurance

never has this been more appropriate

LOL

I don't want to fix it. Especially since being a negative person on the internet is far more entertaining than being a happy, positive, conformist lolSocialist696

doesn't prove anything. Zimmerman is still alive and Trayvon the one dead. I don't doubt Trayvon pucnhed zimmerman. I would have punched Zimmerman too if he was stalking me for no reason.

helwa1988

[QUOTE="RedEyedMonster8"]

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] HAHAHA death = instant respect. In that case, Jeffrey Dahmer you were a true hero at advancing the rights of men who want to kill and have sex with black boy corpses and I salute you. Steven Hawking, you're only half dead so screw you, Hawko.D3nnyCrane

Are you honestly comparing Travyon Martin with Jeffery Dahmer? So much for trying to have a civil debate with you guys.

Are you honestly comparing Travyon Martin with Jeffery Dahmer? So much for trying to have a civil debate with you guys.

I will lol when he is inevitably found guilty.