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#1 ionusX
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2532629

i wish i could make this up.. the state department bought 630k worth of facebook "likes" over the course of the past 2.5 years

'murrica

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#2 Hexagon_777
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What the actual fvck.
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#3 bobcheeseball
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Can us normal folk buy Facebook likes too? My statuses aren't quite getting the recognition they deserve.
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#4 ionusX
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Can us normal folk buy Facebook likes too? My statuses aren't quite getting the recognition they deserve.bobcheeseball
ditto

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#5 KC_Hokie
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Good old Obama administration.
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#6 rocinante_
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pfft, what's another 600k?

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#7 BeardMaster
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Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.

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#8 m0zart
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Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.BeardMaster

Because these are tax dollars. Government offices shouldn't really be spending on this type of astroturfing. In fact, it actually seems like a bit of a conflict of interest when a Government agency in a Democratic Republic starts advertising using tax dollars to push their agenda or even just to clean up their public image.

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#10 JML897
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Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.

BeardMaster
Because it's f*cking Facebook likes. You're right - $600,000 is an extremely tiny fraction of the budget, but it's still $600,000 that could have gone towards something more productive.
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#11 N30F3N1X
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Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.

BeardMaster

One of the, if not the most important task "your average CEO" has to accomplish well, is handling relations with other company heads. What do you think gives the better impression, an office with an inlaid wooden desk and victorian chairs or one with a cheap plastic table and junk plastic chairs?

What kind of rotten sawdust do you have between your ears to be able to think shit like that?

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Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.

BeardMaster
Very simple. One, like m0zart said, is involving tax money.
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Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.

BeardMaster
Because a company doesn't use tax dollars to do so. The government is taking our money to spend on Facebook likes. There is an enormous difference. Plus, I think it is insanely unethical for the government to buy "likes" in an effort to make their image look better. The government isn't a company, so propaganda like this to make it seem like our government agencies are so loved seems very wrong.
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Can us normal folk buy Facebook likes too? My statuses aren't quite getting the recognition they deserve.bobcheeseball
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#15 comp_atkins
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you can buy likes? wtf?
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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.m0zart

Because these are tax dollars. Government offices shouldn't really be spending on this type of astroturfing. In fact, it actually seems like a bit of a conflict of interest when a Government agency in a Democratic Republic starts advertising using tax dollars to push their agenda or even just to clean up their public image.

Thank you for explaining. Thought this was common sense.

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Dont care, not my money, haha.

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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.m0zart

Because these are tax dollars. Government offices shouldn't really be spending on this type of astroturfing. In fact, it actually seems like a bit of a conflict of interest when a Government agency in a Democratic Republic starts advertising using tax dollars to push their agenda or even just to clean up their public image.

 

everyone knows wasteful spending is bad, im simply pointing out thats its inevitable in any large and complex organisation. And frankly this is fairly small potatoes, ie nothing to a bee in your bonnet about.

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#20 m0zart
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everyone knows wasteful spending is bad, im simply pointing out thats its inevitable in any large and complex organisation. And frankly this is fairly small potatoes, ie nothing to a bee in your bonnet about.BeardMaster

I think we are in the situation we are in because we don't get upset enough about it. So I can't agree.

I wish we had more bees for more bonnets. Some of you permanently Xanaxed folks, I might prefer they were implanted in your crotch region.

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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]everyone knows wasteful spending is bad, im simply pointing out thats its inevitable in any large and complex organisation. And frankly this is fairly small potatoes, ie nothing to a bee in your bonnet about.m0zart

I think we are in the situation we are in because we don't get upset enough about it. So I can't agree.

I wish we had more bees for more bonnets. Some of you permanently Xanaxed folks, I might prefer they were implanted in your crotch region.

 

but the problem is whats the point of rabble rousing when there is no solution? its like saying we should prevent all crime, its a lovely concept but its impractical and frankly impossible. And it all comes down to a cost benefit analysis you can create more external auditing committees and increase the amount of red tape to try to avoid these scenarios, but that in itself costs money and all you are doing is creating yet another complex orgnization susceptible to wasteful spending.

The point im making is that there is no solution to this problem as generally speaking there is already a reasonable amount of oversight in place to avoid these types of issues, but there will always be things that slip through the cracks as perfection is an unattainable goal.

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#22 WhiteKnight77
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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]everyone knows wasteful spending is bad, im simply pointing out thats its inevitable in any large and complex organisation. And frankly this is fairly small potatoes, ie nothing to a bee in your bonnet about.m0zart

I think we are in the situation we are in because we don't get upset enough about it. So I can't agree.

I wish we had more bees for more bonnets. Some of you permanently Xanaxed folks, I might prefer they were implanted in your crotch region.

What do you expect from the people who want more people who do not take responsibility for themselves? 

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#23 BeardMaster
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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.

BMD004

Because a company doesn't use tax dollars to do so. The government is taking our money to spend on Facebook likes. There is an enormous difference. Plus, I think it is insanely unethical for the government to buy "likes" in an effort to make their image look better. The government isn't a company, so propaganda like this to make it seem like our government agencies are so loved seems very wrong.

 

thats kind of a catch 22. In order for it to be wasteful spending, facebook likes would need to have little to no value. But in order for it to be propaganda facebook likes must have a substantial value.

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[QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]everyone knows wasteful spending is bad, im simply pointing out thats its inevitable in any large and complex organisation. And frankly this is fairly small potatoes, ie nothing to a bee in your bonnet about.BeardMaster

I think we are in the situation we are in because we don't get upset enough about it. So I can't agree.

I wish we had more bees for more bonnets. Some of you permanently Xanaxed folks, I might prefer they were implanted in your crotch region.

 

but the problem is whats the point of rabble rousing when there is no solution? its like saying we should prevent all crime, its a lovely concept but its impractical and frankly impossible. And it all comes down to a cost benefit analysis you can create more external auditing committees and increase the amount of red tape to try to avoid these scenarios, but that in itself costs money and all you are doing is creating yet another complex orgnization susceptible to wasteful spending.

The point im making is that there is no solution to this problem as generally speaking there is already a reasonable amount of oversight in place to avoid these types of issues, but there will always be things that slip through the cracks as perfection is an unattainable goal.

Yes indeed! Why do anything about this when we can't stop all of it? This is my favorite point against doing anything (doing stuff is hard) because it's been an incredibly effective argument.

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#25 BeardMaster
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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

I think we are in the situation we are in because we don't get upset enough about it. So I can't agree.

I wish we had more bees for more bonnets. Some of you permanently Xanaxed folks, I might prefer they were implanted in your crotch region.

Serraph105

 

but the problem is whats the point of rabble rousing when there is no solution? its like saying we should prevent all crime, its a lovely concept but its impractical and frankly impossible. And it all comes down to a cost benefit analysis you can create more external auditing committees and increase the amount of red tape to try to avoid these scenarios, but that in itself costs money and all you are doing is creating yet another complex orgnization susceptible to wasteful spending.

The point im making is that there is no solution to this problem as generally speaking there is already a reasonable amount of oversight in place to avoid these types of issues, but there will always be things that slip through the cracks as perfection is an unattainable goal.

Yes indeed! Why do anything about this when we can't stop all of it? This is my favorite point against doing anything (doing stuff is hard) because it's been an incredibly effective argument.

 

This assumes that nothing is currently being done and there are no checks and balances in place, which is false. If there were literally no spending controls, the yacht and sports car budget would be in the billions.

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#26 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

but the problem is whats the point of rabble rousing when there is no solution? its like saying we should prevent all crime, its a lovely concept but its impractical and frankly impossible. And it all comes down to a cost benefit analysis you can create more external auditing committees and increase the amount of red tape to try to avoid these scenarios, but that in itself costs money and all you are doing is creating yet another complex orgnization susceptible to wasteful spending.

The point im making is that there is no solution to this problem as generally speaking there is already a reasonable amount of oversight in place to avoid these types of issues, but there will always be things that slip through the cracks as perfection is an unattainable goal.

BeardMaster

Yes indeed! Why do anything about this when we can't stop all of it? This is my favorite point against doing anything (doing stuff is hard) because it's been an incredibly effective argument.

 

This assumes that nothing is currently being done and there are no checks and balances in place, which is false. If there were literally no spending controls, the yacht and sports car budget would be in the billions.

You made the argument not me, I was merely agreeing with you. No need to backtrack,
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No accountability for politicians......
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#28 Serraph105
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No accountability for politicians......LJS9502_basic
I'm pretty sure that's in their oath of office right?
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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.

JML897
Because it's f*cking Facebook likes. You're right - $600,000 is an extremely tiny fraction of the budget, but it's still $600,000 that could have gone towards something more productive.

100 different people could come up with 100 different places to put $600,000. The people in charge, who're trained for those positions, decided this was the best way. Next Week: People Judge NASA Scientists on their choice of elements in the next space shuttle.
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[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.

Nibroc420

Because it's f*cking Facebook likes. You're right - $600,000 is an extremely tiny fraction of the budget, but it's still $600,000 that could have gone towards something more productive.

100 different people could come up with 100 different places to put $600,000. The people in charge, who're trained for those positions, decided this was the best way.

Next Week: People Judge NASA Scientists on their choice of elements in the next space shuttle.

That latter bit is actually perfectly valid, if there are better ways of constructing the space shuttle, they really need to listen. If NASA was just squandering money, I'd like to know about it.

Anyway it seems like an attempt at propaganda, it's extremely inappropriate behavior out of them.

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[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.

Nibroc420

Because it's f*cking Facebook likes. You're right - $600,000 is an extremely tiny fraction of the budget, but it's still $600,000 that could have gone towards something more productive.

100 different people could come up with 100 different places to put $600,000. The people in charge, who're trained for those positions, decided this was the best way. Next Week: People Judge NASA Scientists on their choice of elements in the next space shuttle.

Yes Nibroc. I'm sure this was the best possible way for them to use $600,000.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="JML897"] Because it's f*cking Facebook likes. You're right - $600,000 is an extremely tiny fraction of the budget, but it's still $600,000 that could have gone towards something more productive. JML897

100 different people could come up with 100 different places to put $600,000. The people in charge, who're trained for those positions, decided this was the best way. Next Week: People Judge NASA Scientists on their choice of elements in the next space shuttle.

Yes Nibroc. I'm sure this was the best possible way for them to use $600,000.

lol
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The U.S. Government is so fvcked.
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The U.S. Government is so fvcked.chrisrooR

Hope and change! 

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Does this resemble propaganda to anyone else?
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Does this resemble propaganda to anyone else?BranKetra
goebbels would've loved facebook and twitter (sorry, mike godwin)
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#37 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Does this resemble propaganda to anyone else?MrPraline
goebbels would've loved facebook and twitter (sorry, mike godwin)

Yes, if he could successfully combat the constant influx of user interaction with those sites. I do not understand the apology.
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not like TC's country does any better

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quelle horreur
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Lmao, what.
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This is one of the dumber things I've seen in awhile.  

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*likes*
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[QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]Never understand why people get so up in arms about these things. Your average CEO probably spends the same amount on the desk in his office. Large oganizations always have tons of wasteful spending.BeardMaster

Because these are tax dollars. Government offices shouldn't really be spending on this type of astroturfing. In fact, it actually seems like a bit of a conflict of interest when a Government agency in a Democratic Republic starts advertising using tax dollars to push their agenda or even just to clean up their public image.

 

everyone knows wasteful spending is bad, im simply pointing out thats its inevitable in any large and complex organisation. And frankly this is fairly small potatoes, ie nothing to a bee in your bonnet about.

GTFO commie.

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And yet the healthcare still sucks, is still so expensive it puts people in life time debt.. ridiculous how money can be spend on such stupid things.
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[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]Can us normal folk buy Facebook likes too? My statuses aren't quite getting the recognition they deserve.ionusX

ditto

Try putting key words like, baby, engaged, or married in your posts.

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#46 Squeets
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People mad about this?

600,000/3,538,000,000,000

.00000017% of the budget.

They probably spend 20 times this on wasted copy paper... Calm down.

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you can buy likes? wtf?comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="JML897"] Because it's f*cking Facebook likes. You're right - $600,000 is an extremely tiny fraction of the budget, but it's still $600,000 that could have gone towards something more productive. JML897

100 different people could come up with 100 different places to put $600,000. The people in charge, who're trained for those positions, decided this was the best way. Next Week: People Judge NASA Scientists on their choice of elements in the next space shuttle.

Yes Nibroc. I'm sure this was the best possible way for them to use $600,000.

Hey, the people who're trained to do spend such amounts of money, and have gone to school to study things which help them understand the decisions they make; have decided this is a good way to spend this amount if their budget. Excuse me if a couple gamers who're deciding to take a break from CoD or WoW decide to assume they're more educated and trained than the people currently employed to make those decisions. It's like when Idiots complain about a video game (that they buy anyways) because the developer didn't include X,Y,Z things, and "they" would have. if "Their" decisions were so superior, why are "they" not the ones making the decisions? Oh right, because no-one gives a ****.
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Yeah, reading this thread (and others) the responses so far and the media in the U.S., I don't think the U.S. is gonna pull a Brazil any time soon.
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Hey, the people who're trained to do spend such amounts of money, and have gone to school to study things which help them understand the decisions they make; have decided this is a good way to spend this amount if their budget.

You honestly believe people in government have an education in finance or marketing? I bet they're glad you put your trust in them. I know a guy who does various clearances for government workers and agents. He told me it's amazing how few people are really qualified for their position but they're given the job and clearance anyway. The government likes to grant the "unemployables" (thick criminal records, etc.) jobs too because it keeps the unemployment rate down. And yeah it's not a huge percentage of the budget, but it is an intentional loss.