Microsoft and Nintendo exploit US prison labor

Targeted you? I replied to you, you replied back to me, and it's been back and fourth since then. Maybe you have a persecution complex or something but I'm not targeting you heh.

If the troops directly voted on in favor of the invasion of Iraq they would be as much to blame, which consequently is what someone is doing when they still purchase products knowing how they are made. You are voting with your wallet.

And? The taxpayers are paying for their living expenses. It's not like they have to support themselves on that money.

Eh... That would require a lot more than minimum wage I think.

I can't disagree with that.

Yup. No rent, no utility bill, no grocery bill, no cable/internet bill. No need to pay for the gym either.

So then, if that's the case, why try so hard to expose me as some sort of hypocrite or bad person? Why make erroneous assumptions about how I feel and what I know and then move the goalpost in several different directions when I provide answers to all of your claims? And why reserve all of this just for me? You're trying too hard, here and it's very obvious. Now, You can respond with the "it's forum" or "it's a free country" answers all you like but it really answer the question and I think you know that. All it tells us is what you have the freedom to do; it doesn't us why you're doing it.

You have a major persecution complex...your question is stupid and loaded. I didn't target you, and if you feel that well oh well but feelings aren't fact. If you don't want to continue the conversation that's fine by me. Talk about erroneous assumptions though...oh boy lol! I haven't moved any goal posts either, my arguments remain the same and consistent.

Loaded? Well, lemme refer you to one claim that you've made so that you can be a better idea of what I'm talking about.

I say; "I don't agree that you and I are actively involved."

You say; "Of course not, then you would have to come to terms with the fact that for all the finger pointing you do that you are part of the reason why it happens in the first place."

Why don't we start with that.

What about that? That's my main contention with your comments in the first place. Basically, you strongly point the finger calling companies/countries shameful yet don't seem to have the same condemnation for your own involvement. You support it as well, and in all likelihood you will continue supporting it through your purchases of items created using these practices.

Anything else?

No, your previous statement suggests that I do indeed share your belief of our "shared culpability" with states/corporations, but refuse to admit it. Your reasoning? Because "I, personally", don't want to share the blame. It has nothing to do with my belief that our role isn't symmetrical with that of states/corporations. And it's certainly not because I don't want "the people" sharing the blame, because that would suggest that I'm some sort of "people person", which doesn't work for you - hence why you continue to use the terms "you" and "your" instead of "we" or "us". No, instead, you want to suggest that I refuse to admit that "I" am in the same league with these institutions because "I, personally" don't want be blamed for it. That's a hell of indictment of my character, don't you think?

EDIT: You still haven't answered the question as to why I'm receiving this honor.

Actually, yes, my statements suggest exactly what I said otherwise I wouldn't have said them. You can twist it all you like, or deflect with accusation of "targeting" or whatever...I think what I said is fairly plain.

yeah... let's address this over the rampant endemic guard corruption, anal rape and shankings.

Well, no, I don't think so. Here, let me show you again.

I say; "I don't agree that you and I are actively involved."

My opinion, and notice that I used the word "we're" not "I'm" or "you're"

You say; "Of course not, then you would have to come to terms with the fact that for all the finger pointing you do that you are part of the reason why it happens in the first place."

Basically suggesting that; I only claim to share that opinion so I don't have to deal with my (notice how it's still about me and not the population) shared blame with the institutions.

How do you know this?

I'm talking to you, silly. If you want to expand further sure, there's tons of people out there who fall into the same category. What's new? This is getting silly, I can see we still haven't moved past the persecution stuff lol.

Well, I'm talking to you, too. But I want you to address this;

You say; "Of course not, then you would have to come to terms with the fact that for all the finger pointing you do that you are part of the reason why it happens in the first place."

Basically suggesting that; I only claim to share that opinion so I don't have to deal with my (notice how it's still about me and not the population) shared blame with the institutions.

Again, how do you know that?

No, it doesn't suggest that you and only you could share that opinion and that no one else in the population could. It's a statement to you, but certainly not exclusionary and solely binding.

How do you know that I only claim to share that opinion so I don't have to deal with my shared blame with the institutions?

ROFL! Seriously man, you've lost the plot.

You're avoiding the question, which you often do. I say I don't agree that we are actively involved. How do you that's not something I believe in principle? What makes you suggest otherwise?

Obviously, people care, so healthy discussions about it ought to transpire.

@BranKetra:

Exactly. This amateur troll is like, "you play a role in it so shut your mouth." You would have thought I created the topic.

I am not getting in the middle of that, but I will just say that the argument "and you, too!" is a tu quoque or an appeal to hypocrisy which is a logical fallacy.

Gee, thanks for that; they don't make you 'moderator' for nothing...*eye roll*

Perhaps not but it does provide the private companies with very cheap labor if they can have 20 inmates work for 4.73$ per day, A total of 94,60$
Rather then 20 employees that get..say 6$ per hour for the same job and work 8 hour days. Giving them around 120$ each per day and a total of 960$
So if the Company can save 865,40$ per day by using Prison labor, Why would they rather have Employees doing that work instead?

It is merely my observation and while I'll admit I dislike that private companies can use Prison labor for their own benefit rather then the Inmates actually doing something to contribute to society as part of their punishement, I don't have a say in the matter and I frankly don't really care what you do with your inmates.

And @foxhound_fox I'm fairly certain it costs more then even minimum wage to pay for their time in prison considering they need to be feed, wash themselves and clothes, supply of pillows, bedsheets and matress, sewage cost, maintenance, medical supplies and such. I'd be surprised if 5,15$ cover more then the food and clothes for one inmate.

I already answered the question...it in no way says that "you" only share that opinion. That's been covered like twice. You keep asking a question based on a false premise. Like I said, you've lost the plot man.

@Renevent42: lets go before you get another useless rant

@dylandr said:

@Renevent42: lets go before you get another useless rant

Hehe...yeah I think it's run it's course as well.

More companies should utilize this, that will eventually lead to cheaper services and merchandise with the same kind of quality, this could even benefit the poor people who so desperately struggle to get food on their tables.

You implied that my attitude towards our collective blame wasn't genuine. I don't believe that our role as consumers is on par with the supreme power of the institution that orchestrate and maintain deals with the slave runners. We are not on par with them in terms of responsibility...in any regard. Now, you can say that I'm wrong or that you disagree, but to say that I'm disingenuous...there's no proof of that. Only a troll would make that sort of accusation.

/yawn...it's over dude.

I understand that I've been successfully trolled and I'm willing to accept that. I haven't posted here in a while and thought "maybe I can start fresh with some of the known trolls and racists like Renevent." That was my mistake; I should have known better.

Interesting...sounds like more persecution complex stuff though. Maybe take another break and enjoy some tendies or something, re-assess how you feel and come back later.

Well, I don't what tendies are but...I'm just complimenting on your trolling. I'm just saying "well played." You got me good.

@dylandr said:

@Renevent42: lets go before you get another useless rant

You are my best friend for using that gif. :3

I fucking loved watching Army of Darkness when I was a kid.

It's still holds today, even if the special effects look a little corny at times :P

Haha. WTF happened in this thread?

Argument, followed by suggestion to enjoy tendies. Also, Army of Darkness reference.

Prison labor is also voluntary

I've been trolled for the first time in a long time. It's my fault, I should have known better.

ROFL...the persecution complex persists. You weren't trolled.

loool yeah I was. It sucks but hey, live and learn.

I think at this point you've devolved into almost mentally trolling yourself. I really wasn't trolling you, sorry man.

What really gets me is how early in the exchange you started; almost giving me a hint, from the beginning, of things to come. I guess that's what happens when you post for a while.

There was no hint, that's all in your head. Seriously haha. Even with this caca-maney trolling stuff now, if you really believed that, why are you still posting? It's because you can't let it go, and it's a front. A farce. A ruse.

Like the song, just let it go. Let it go! Leeeet it goooo!

Let it go? I'm giving you props for a job well done. You had the bait and bit it. More than that, I chomped it. I'm just saying, well done; you got me good? What's wrong with that?

I wasn't trolling you, there's nothing to thank me for. That's like getting a wedgie from someone and thanking them for adjusting your pants.

I don't understand this. I mean, can you imagine if a famous DJ successfully prank called an individual at home, the individual gives the DJ respect for a prank well done, and then the DJ responds with a; "**** off, I didn't prank you." That's what you're doing now.

Except the DJ wasn't doing a prank call in this instance,and was simply was spinning some Led Zepplin records. Then this weird guy is insisting he's doing prank calls and thanking him for it...and the DJ tries explaining he's not...like 15 times. It's more like that.

But hey, maybe if you say it enough times even you will believe it.

No, it's more like my scenario.