kids held in juvenile center after refusing to see dad

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Three Bloomfield Hills kids who refused an order by a judge to go to lunch with their father have been ordered to a juvenile detention facility.

"I felt like I was watching them be executed," said Maya Tsimhoni.

The Tsimhoni family was in Oakland County's family court for a hearing on supervised parenting time when Judge Lisa Gorcyca took matters into her own hands.

Read the court transcript as the judge as she sent the three kids to Children's Village

June 24 court transcripts showed how upset the judge was. She ordered the Tsimhoni kids ages 14,10 and 9 to have a "healthy relationship" with their father.

She criticized them for avoiding him and even compared them to Charles Manson and his cult. Gorcyca then ordered the children to apologize and have a nice lunch with their dad.

When they refused, Gorcyca held them in contempt and had each child hauled off to Children's Village's juvenile hall - until they are 18 years old.

"No matter how bad the divorce gets, I think the court should not punish the kids for that," Tsimhoni said.

Tsimhoni admits the last five years have not been easy in and out of court through a messy divorce and allegations of parental kidnapping and alienation.

Her son at one point even tried to explain to the judge why he didn't want to spend time with his dad.

"Because he is violent and I saw him hit my mom," he said in court documents.

But Judge Gorcyca claimed he had been brainwashed.

"Since that day I cannot eat, I cannot sleep," Tsimhoni said. "I cannot understand something like that can even happen in this country."

Lisa Stern is now representing Maya, fighting to get her kids back and out of Children's Village where they have been for over two weeks.

"I have been doing family law for 20 years and I must say this shocks the conscience," Stern said. "I think we have a court with the best interest of children in mind. I think the judge was very concerned about reunification of this family, but went about it the wrong way.

"I know laws were violated and I know that the children were punished for crimes they did not commit."

The Tsimhoni kids are separated from both parents and now each other. Their mother isn't even allowed to visit.

Instead they are forced to live with troubled or neglected children and some who have committed crimes. But ironically, the Tsimhoni children did not.

FOX 2: "Even if the judge felt (their mother) was endangering these children, would this be the proper place to put these kids?"

"No," Stern said. "There are so many steps you can take before you can ... they would never get to a Children's Village."

"I want them back home," Tsimhoni said. "Help them heal, give them the love they need and deserve."

FOX 2 called Judge Gorcyca who did not respond, although judges can't comment on pending cases.

According to documents, they do plan to be in court again to review this case in September. She wants the kids to change but many feel this isn't the way.

FOX 2 called the father's attorney Kerri Middleditch and is waiting to hear back.

The father is the only one that has the power to change it. If he feels the kids learned their lesson, he could have them released. But the day after the hearing, he left for Israel for work and is not expected back for two weeks.

Their mother appealed for an emergency hearing to the same judge, who has denied it.

Stern says she is asking the chief judge in Oakland County Family Court to review the case Tuesday.

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wut. What in the actual f*#%? How does this make any sense? The amount of stupidity coming from the judge is astonishing. I feel like I got stupider by trying to understand why she did it. But what do you think OT?

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#2  Edited By Riverwolf007
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sometimes people don't understand they are property of the state and they must be corrected.

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@magicalclick: I wouldn't be surprised. I find it hard to believe that a judge could be this stupid.

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@magicalclick: Contempt of court. The judge ordered the kids to have a nice meal with their father and the kids refused on grounds that he abused their mother.

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@gamerguru100 said:

@magicalclick: I wouldn't be surprised. I find it hard to believe that a judge could be this stupid.

Not only stupid but some of them are corrupted as hell.

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She ordered the Tsimhoni kids ages 14,10 and 9 to have a "healthy relationship" with their father.

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How is this contempt of court? Ordering someone to eat lunch with another person and then punishing them for refusing cannot be constitutional no matter what position that person holds.

Additionally, how does this justify sentencing these kids to years in what is essentially a prison for minors? How will this affect their lives? How will it affect their perspective on the legal system and this country?

Clearly this can't be in their best interest and the judge is a fu­ckin­g lunatic. If this does not get overturned and the judge stripped of their title, how can the legal system not be considered hostile?

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That judge made a bad call and children are suffering for it.

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@drunk_pi said:
June 24 court transcripts showed how upset the judge was. She ordered the Tsimhoni kids ages 14,10 and 9 to have a "healthy relationship" with their father.

She criticized them for avoiding him and even compared them to Charles Manson and his cult. Gorcyca then ordered the children to apologize and have a nice lunch with their dad.

When they refused, Gorcyca held them in contempt and had each child hauled off to Children's Village's juvenile hall - until they are 18 years old.

But Judge Gorcyca claimed he had been brainwashed.

The Tsimhoni kids are separated from both parents and now each other. Their mother isn't even allowed to visit.

According to documents, they do plan to be in court again to review this case in September. She wants the kids to change but many feel this isn't the way.

The father is the only one that has the power to change it. If he feels the kids learned their lesson, he could have them released. But the day after the hearing, he left for Israel for work and is not expected back for two weeks.

Their mother appealed for an emergency hearing to the same judge, who has denied it.

Fucked for so many reasons

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I think that calls for a investigation on wether the Judge gets a take from the juvinile detention senter for sending kids there.

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#13 MakeMeaSammitch
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What did the father do to make the kids avoid the father?

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Judge needs to be under full investigation for corruption as she may be getting side money from people who own such detention centers. Because that is literally the only sane reason to put all three of them in there, as they've done nothing wrong.

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#15 Hallenbeck77  Moderator
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Looks like the judge decided to revise the decision.