Kanye West is better than Eminem (Proof INSIDE)

Just kidding about the proof bit. I'm just mocking System Wars.

First things first, in no way am I saying that Kanye West is a better MC. Eminem destroys Kanye West as an MC. Kanye West is a pretty clumsy rapper overall.

But on a musical level, Kanye is much better.

Reason #1: Kanye's music is much more diverse. He covers tons of different styles.

Reason #2: Many of Kanye's songs are chock full of interesting musical ideas whereas Eminem uses pretty conventional beats. Kanye is actually willing to experiment.

Reason #3: Kanye doesn't recycle themes the way Eminem does. Kanye actually tries to re-invent himself.

Reason #4:Eminem rests on his laurels all the time whereas Kanye tries harder than just about any hip hop artist. You can see how Kanye has tried to overcome his so so rapping abilities whereas Eminem has declined majorly since his peak.

Reason #5: As nuts as Kanye's public antics can be, he doesn't rap about stuff that seems appropriate to a mental health therapy session. That has to count for something.

Anyway, just thought I'd make a controversial thread (though I do believe what I'm saying). Precede to flame me.

GreySeal9

When it comes to the music, Kanye just takes the cake.

The best kinds of artists are the ones who are willing to experiment with music.

Kanye is a producer, so obviously, his music is always gonna be better.

As a rapper, he does extremely well.

As for this whole auto-tune thing, you guys cleary aren't looking at all his music.

for his 1st 3 albums, no autotune of any kind was used (T-Pain actually came in on one song, but thats not Kanye, so it doesn't count at all.)

his 4th album, "808's" was really bad, but I can respect the album anyway only because Kanye was simply experimenting, its not like that album represented all of his skill or anything.

His 5th album, "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" was amazing.

This time, his experimenting really paid off, and all I hope is that Kanye doesn't decide to stick with that formula permanantly.

That is all.

I think Eminem's Infinite album destroys anything Kanye's done. Just my own opinion. For that matter I still think Eminem's best album was Infinite. Its just too oldschool not to love. Simple but effective. The track 'Its OK' alone is just pure awesome.

Yeah I know what you mean. It seems like all he wants to rap about is his kids and ex wife. Sadly, his career is pretty much over.

Haziqonfire

Also if I had to rank the best five artists off all time, it would be:

5: Lil Wayne (Come on, his music as a whole is really great, and Wayne has come a really long way since being with the Hot Boyz)

4: Outkast (this is a group, but they harmonize flawlessly, so I'm gonna have to say that these cats make some of the best Southern Hip-Hop ever. Its too bad we got a bunch of losers giving southern rap a bad name.)

3: Lupe Fiasco (Do I really need an explanation???)

2: Kanye West (For his artistry, making rap much more than a bunch of ****** talking)

1: Jay-Z (Hov himself, does not need any explanation.)

I love them both equally so it's all good.C-Lee

exactly

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Just kidding about the proof bit. I'm just mocking System Wars.

First things first, in no way am I saying that Kanye West is a better MC. Eminem destroys Kanye West as an MC. Kanye West is a pretty clumsy rapper overall.

But on a musical level, Kanye is much better.

Reason #1: Kanye's music is much more diverse. He covers tons of different styles.

Reason #2: Many of Kanye's songs are chock full of interesting musical ideas whereas Eminem uses pretty conventional beats. Kanye is actually willing to experiment.

Reason #3: Kanye doesn't recycle themes the way Eminem does. Kanye actually tries to re-invent himself.

Reason #4:Eminem rests on his laurels all the time whereas Kanye tries harder than just about any hip hop artist. You can see how Kanye has tried to overcome his so so rapping abilities whereas Eminem has declined majorly since his peak.

Reason #5: As nuts as Kanye's public antics can be, he doesn't rap about stuff that seems appropriate to a mental health therapy session. That has to count for something.

Anyway, just thought I'd make a controversial thread (though I do believe what I'm saying). Precede to flame me.

DeadMan1290

Recovery is a masterpiece. There aren't any songs about Kim or his mom on that album. He mentions his daughters, but there aren't any songs that are completely devoted to them. I really don't see why everyone hates on Recovery. It's arguably his most consistent album thematically to date. While Relapse felt like it was stuck in the past, Recovery feels more like a step forward. It's like he put everything he's been through in his entire career into one album.

KH-mixerX

It's confirmed. OT has terrible tastes. Kanye can't do **** without Auto-tune, yet everyone says he is better.

millerlight89

I love how you say that statement with such authority when it's obvious that you have only heard a very small sample of Kanye's music. He can't do **** without autotune? Are you kidding me? :lol:

(Somewhat related, I think autotune gets too much hate. Like any instrument it can be used well and it can be used terribly. Autotune isn't always an awful thing imo)

I can't tell if this is a serious thread or not...

Eminem is clearly the better rapper when you look at the entire package. Kanye will always have a place in my heart though. I don't get where people are coming from when they say that Eminem is washed up. Recovery is the best thing he's put out since The Marshall Mather LP. And even the albums in between were amazing. Sure he faltered a bit with Relapse, but even so, that album had some pretty astounding wordplay in it. Here's the order of best to worst albums in my opinion...

The Marshall Mathers LP (2000)

Samples: Drug Ballad, Stan, The Way I Am, & Marshall Mathers

Recovery (2010)

Samples: 25 to Life, Space Bound, & Talkin' 2 Myself

Encore (2004)

Samples: Like Toy Soldiers, Yellow Brick Road, & Never Enough

The Slim Shady LP (1999)

Samples: Rock Bottom, Just Don't Give A ****, & Guilty Conscience

The Eminem Show (2002)

Samples: Sing For The Moment, Superman, & Cleanin' Out My Closet

Relapse (2009)

Beautiful, Deja Vu, & Careful What You Wish For

KH-mixerX

Did you really just put Encore over The Eminem Show and Slim Shady LP?

:|

It's confirmed. OT has terrible tastes. Kanye can't do **** without Auto-tune, yet everyone says he is better. I guess Ke$ha is quality. I do believe Eminem has won more awards and has been said to be the greatest rapper of all time time after time.

millerlight89

wow, what an uninformed post....

I can't tell if this is a serious thread or not...

Eminem is clearly the better rapper when you look at the entire package. Kanye will always have a place in my heart though. I don't get where people are coming from when they say that Eminem is washed up. Recovery is the best thing he's put out since The Marshall Mather LP. And even the albums in between were amazing. Sure he faltered a bit with Relapse, but even so, that album had some pretty astounding wordplay in it. Here's the order of best to worst albums in my opinion...

The Marshall Mathers LP (2000)

Samples: Drug Ballad, Stan, The Way I Am, & Marshall Mathers

Recovery (2010)

Samples: 25 to Life, Space Bound, & Talkin' 2 Myself

Encore (2004)

Samples: Like Toy Soldiers, Yellow Brick Road, & Never Enough

The Slim Shady LP (1999)

Samples: Rock Bottom, Just Don't Give A ****, & Guilty Conscience

The Eminem Show (2002)

Samples: Sing For The Moment, Superman, & Cleanin' Out My Closet

Relapse (2009)

Beautiful, Deja Vu, & Careful What You Wish For

KH-mixerX

i just don't give a ****>>>>>>>>>>>encore, relapse and recovery combined. em is absolutely nowhere near the artist or MC he once was. sad but true...

Kanye West is an idiot. Plain and simple. SF_KiLLaMaN

And what exactly does that have to do with his music? This thread isn't about his personality.

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Kanye West is an idiot. Plain and simple. JML897

And what exactly does that have to do with his music? This thread isn't about his personality.

c'mon jml, you know it's all about image. who cares about the actual music...

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Kanye West is an idiot. Plain and simple. lazerface216

And what exactly does that have to do with his music? This thread isn't about his personality.

c'mon jml, you know it's all about image. who cares about the actual music...

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="JML897"]

And what exactly does that have to do with his music? This thread isn't about his personality.

SF_KiLLaMaN

c'mon jml, you know it's all about image. who cares about the actual music...

ALL top 40 music is about image.

Eminem is irritating/useless/horrible artist.Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Eminem is irritating/useless/horrible artist.UCF_Knight

i appreciate his older material, his current music is rubbish though...

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Eminem is irritating/useless/horrible artist.UCF_Knight

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Eminem is irritating/useless/horrible artist.Ultrabeatdown55

He's probably appreciated more than any other rapper in OT (except for Immortal Technique maybe).

They both suck. But the only difference is Eminem used to be great, Kanye never was. Em was spitting timeless rhymes back on the Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers LPs, since then hes gone way down hill. And Kanye West, well he just sucks. I write better raps than him

He's probably appreciated more than any other rapper in OT (except for Immortal Technique maybe).

JML897

I agree with TC.

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

I can't tell if this is a serious thread or not...

Eminem is clearly the better rapper when you look at the entire package. Kanye will always have a place in my heart though. I don't get where people are coming from when they say that Eminem is washed up. Recovery is the best thing he's put out since The Marshall Mather LP. And even the albums in between were amazing. Sure he faltered a bit with Relapse, but even so, that album had some pretty astounding wordplay in it. Here's the order of best to worst albums in my opinion...

The Marshall Mathers LP (2000)

Samples: Drug Ballad, Stan, The Way I Am, & Marshall Mathers

Recovery (2010)

Samples: 25 to Life, Space Bound, & Talkin' 2 Myself

Encore (2004)

Samples: Like Toy Soldiers, Yellow Brick Road, & Never Enough

The Slim Shady LP (1999)

Samples: Rock Bottom, Just Don't Give A ****, & Guilty Conscience

The Eminem Show (2002)

Samples: Sing For The Moment, Superman, & Cleanin' Out My Closet

Relapse (2009)

Beautiful, Deja Vu, & Careful What You Wish For

C-Lee

Did you really just put Encore over The Eminem Show and Slim Shady LP?

:|

Yes I did. Don't get me wrong, I love The Eminem Show and The Slim Shady LP a lot, but Encore just really stuck with me more in the end. It still has some of his most interesting work to date on it. For example, he brought the political side out with Mosh. Yellow Brick Road might be the best story-based song he's ever written. And let's not forget Mockingbird and Like Toy Soldiers...two of the best "serious" songs he's ever put out. The Slim Shady LP was great, but let's face it, a lot of the songs were simply drug-induced fits of sarcasm. The Eminem Show brought it heavily in terms of lyricism, but most of the beats I wasn't feeling. As always though there were exceptions such as Superman, Sing for the Moment, and Till I collapse. In the end, it's just my opinion dude. You don't have to like it, or even understand it.

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

I can't tell if this is a serious thread or not...

Eminem is clearly the better rapper when you look at the entire package. Kanye will always have a place in my heart though. I don't get where people are coming from when they say that Eminem is washed up. Recovery is the best thing he's put out since The Marshall Mather LP. And even the albums in between were amazing. Sure he faltered a bit with Relapse, but even so, that album had some pretty astounding wordplay in it. Here's the order of best to worst albums in my opinion...

The Marshall Mathers LP (2000)

Samples: Drug Ballad, Stan, The Way I Am, & Marshall Mathers

Recovery (2010)

Samples: 25 to Life, Space Bound, & Talkin' 2 Myself

Encore (2004)

Samples: Like Toy Soldiers, Yellow Brick Road, & Never Enough

The Slim Shady LP (1999)

Samples: Rock Bottom, Just Don't Give A ****, & Guilty Conscience

The Eminem Show (2002)

Samples: Sing For The Moment, Superman, & Cleanin' Out My Closet

Relapse (2009)

Beautiful, Deja Vu, & Careful What You Wish For

lazerface216

i just don't give a ****>>>>>>>>>>>encore, relapse and recovery combined. em is absolutely nowhere near the artist or MC he once was. sad but true...

I take it you haven't listened to Encore and Recovery with statements like that. They were both incredible albums. Relapse had it's moments, but it's definitely not his greatest work. I'd like to to here the exact reasoning behind saying that Recovery and Encore weren't as good as the rest of his albums.

Eminem easily

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqP1TwuBiK8


He's got so much more emotion in his music and lyrically Kanye couldn't last a moment with him in a rap battle. Eminem's freestiles (wont let me spell it the right way?) are better lyrically then Kanye's autotuned singing and half assed lyrics. The only songs I've ever liked from Kanye was his "Power" and "Cant tell me Nothing" Not to mention Eminem doesn't say retarded things like "George bush is racist" or jump on stage and take the mic from Taylor swift or act like a complete arrogant asshat.

Sure Eminem can be cocky when he rhymes but he admits when people are better then him and doesn't come off as a arrogant self conceded prick like kanye.

This is all my opinion though.

Eminem easily

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqP1TwuBiK8


He's got so much more emotion in his music and lyrically Kanye couldn't last a moment with him in a rap battle. Eminem's freestiles (wont let me spell it the right way?) are better lyrically then Kanye's autotuned singing and half assed lyrics. The only songs I've ever liked from Kanye was his "Power" and "Cant tell me Nothing" Not to mention Eminem doesn't say retarded things like "George bush is racist" or jump on stage and take the mic from Taylor swift or act like a complete arrogant asshat.

Sure Eminem can be cocky when he rhymes but he admits when people are better then him and doesn't come off as a arrogant self conceded prick like kanye.

This is all my opinion though.

XileLord

Okay, first of all only one of Kanye's albums has him making use of the auto-tune. Second, you're comparing Kanye's persona to Eminem's rapping. Those are two totally different arguments. Kanye is still awesome. I personally think Eminem is the better artist overall, but Kanye is quite the talent as well. You're selling him short.

Encore and Recovery were both terrible. And so was Relapse.

[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Just kidding about the proof bit. I'm just mocking System Wars.

First things first, in no way am I saying that Kanye West is a better MC. Eminem destroys Kanye West as an MC. Kanye West is a pretty clumsy rapper overall.

But on a musical level, Kanye is much better.

Reason #1: Kanye's music is much more diverse. He covers tons of different styles.

Reason #2: Many of Kanye's songs are chock full of interesting musical ideas whereas Eminem uses pretty conventional beats. Kanye is actually willing to experiment.

Reason #3: Kanye doesn't recycle themes the way Eminem does. Kanye actually tries to re-invent himself.

Reason #4:Eminem rests on his laurels all the time whereas Kanye tries harder than just about any hip hop artist. You can see how Kanye has tried to overcome his so so rapping abilities whereas Eminem has declined majorly since his peak.

Anyway, just thought I'd make a controversial thread (though I do believe what I'm saying). Precede to flame me.

GreySeal9

Kanye West only really uses autotune for his singing experiments. There's no way he relies on it. So, no, thread is continued...

Eminem is irritating/useless/horrible artist. Going to go with Kanye instead, his CD is great, Eminem's is awful.Haziqonfire

Encore and Recovery were both terrible. And so was Relapse.

pantyraid2113

Please buckle your seatbelt sir. The bandwagon will be departing shortly.

i agree with everything you posted greyseal. kanye is a much better artist than eminem has ever been. kanye has yet to drop an album that's absolutely unlistenable like encore or relapse. em has totally fallen off.

lazerface216

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

i agree with everything you posted greyseal. kanye is a much better artist than eminem has ever been. kanye has yet to drop an album that's absolutely unlistenable like encore or relapse. em has totally fallen off.

Crash_WL

lol, this thread again.

excuse me sir, but i do know what i'm talking about. lol at least i think i do. i've listened to encore and it's **** compared to his previous 3 releases. that's my opinion buddy.

...lol and please don't label eminem as club music, at least give him the benefit of the doubt of being a rapper.

In generall..."Won't back down" etc, are those bad?

Crash_WL

Yes, "Won't Back Down" is bad.

[QUOTE="Crash_WL"]

In generall..."Won't back down" etc, are those bad?

JML897

Yes, "Won't Back Down" is bad.

lol really bad.

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Kanye West heavily relies on Autotune. Eminem does not. /thread.lazerface216

do you listen to music or do you just skim through it?

Kanye is a joker, he's a cool guy. I don't have as much interest in Eminem as I do in Kanye. Partly because Eminem's stuff is just rapping to a beat whereas Kanye tries to make songs.

kayne is rude and apparently has everything "power and what not"

eminem has a background and puts his heart in soul in his songs

kayne used autotune in almost every song in that album 808 and heartbreak

eminem has a background and puts his heart in soul in his songs

kayne used autotune in almost every song in that album 808 and heartbreak

zoraluv

well seeing as the album is called 808's and heartbreaks, i don't understand what you could have expected. and kanye doesn't have a background or put emotions into his songs? jesus... :roll:

Eminem is by FAR the better artist.

If eminem was black he would have sold less records but the respect for him would be greater overal.