@Nayef_shroof said:
@Darkman2007 said:
@themajormayor said:
Most genetic research seems to indicate that all the big Jewish groups (Ashkenazi, Mizrai, Sephardi) are all closer related to each other and the Palestinians than their non-Jewish host population. Especially on the male side the Jews descend almost exclusively from the Levant. On the female side it's a bit more mixed with Jewish single males coming from Israel 2000 years ago finding new wives in for example Europe. But also there there is a a big Levantine influence, if not the biggest. The exception is Ethiopian Jews which descents largely of Ethiopian converts with some Middle Eastern genes.
Palestinians to some extent are descendants of Africans actually since Arabs took African slave girls as an example. So I guess you should all go back to Africa then?
And I no. Nothing is used to justify such a thing. The only thing I see is comments like this, that Jews are mixed so they need to go "back" to Europe. Justifying the ethnic cleansing of other indigenous inhabitants or the denial of self determination in their homeland.
its like Ive said before , we are white Europeans as long as it suits people, as soon as they lose a war, the economy collapses , a leader dies, or its raining, all of a sudden we are a different group (apparently an international one too) , and cartoons start appearing everywhere (with Jews portrayed as anything but white)
by using the logic of "there are Jews in Ethiopia , Yemen , Poland, so its obviously a mix" , I could also say there are no Palestinians, just Egyptians, Lebanese , Jordanians claiming to be such , that view would obviously be nonsense, but one could make the same argument (and Nayef, who I think is of a Palestinian origin , should know better than most that where people live doesn't determine the origins of those people)
though I will add there is another exception , from what I know some Jewish communities in India were also found to be very related to the rest of the local population , most likely since India was not Christian or Islamic, so Jews weren't seen as devils in human form (ie a similar view most people had of Jews pre Christianity)
@majormayor: If you're actually familiar with genetics, you'd realize that your assertions are nonsense. Ashkenazi Jews have very substantial European admixture (up to 70% on average). That's why they cluster with Sicilians on genetic plots, not in the Levant. SOME Mizrahi groups (like Iraqi Jews and Syrian Jews) are non-admixed and can claim to be ethnically Jewish. Yemeni and most North African Jews, conversely, have little to no genetic affinity to Levantine populations (Yemeni Jews are essentially ethnically Arab Jewish converts, identical genetically to Saudis and Yemeni highlanders, for example). I know there's a degree of Levantine admixture in most Jewish ethnic groups, but Ethiopian Jews and some Mizrahi Jewish groups have no Levantine influence in the slightest. Also, LOL. Where did you get that ludicrous assertion about Sub-saharan admixture in Palestinians? Genetic tests conducted on Palestinian populations reveal that, at most, Palis have less than 1% of West African SSA admix (and that's with using skewed samples from foreign-influenced Gazans, not West Bankers).
@Darkman: Like I stated previously, genetics and anthropology disprove the disingenuous (and laughably ignorant) assertion that Palestinians are an amalgamation of "Arabs" from across the Arab world. We cluster firmly in the Levant, along side Druze, Lebanese, Syrians, etc. The vast majority of Palis are indigenous to the Levant, with a few foreigners apparent in Gaza (you can tell by their phenotype and last names). Refer to the elaboration I gave above ^ on the genetic relatedness of certain Jewish populations.
"All relevant Y-DNA studies have concluded that the majority of the paternal genetic heritage among Ashkenazim and other Jewish communities is similar to those found dominating Middle Eastern populations, and probably originated there. A smaller but still significant part of the Ashkenazi male-line population is more likely to have originated from European populations."
"A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al.[29] confirmed that the Y chromosome of most Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East."
"Two studies by Nebel et al. in 2001 and 2005, based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe"
"The largest study to date on the Jews of North Africa has been led by Gerard Lucotte et al. in 2003.[31] This study showed that the Jews of North Africa[Note 7] showed frequencies of their paternal haplotypes almost equal to those of the Lebanese and Palestinian non-Jews"
"Lucotte et al. 2003 study found that (Oriental, Sephardic, Ashkenazic Jews and Lebanese and Palestinians), "seem to be similar in their Y-haplotype patterns, both with regard to the haplotype distributions and the ancestral haplotype VIII frequencies." The authors stated in their findings that these results confirm similarities in the Y-haplotype frequencies of this Near-Eastern populations, sharing a common geographic origin.""
"One DNA study by Nebel found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD".[108] They also found substantial genetic overlap between Muslim Palestinians and Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, though with some significant differences that might be explainable by the geographical isolation of the Jews and by immigration of Arab tribes in the first millennium.[108]"
And so on and so on.
And there are no Jews who are not ethnically Jewish. Either you're ethnically Jewish orl you're not Jewish. The Jewish ethnicity is not based on solely on genetics.
Yemeni Jews are predominantly descendant of the Israelites. Just like most Jewish groups.
Ethiopian Jews does have some Levantine influence but not alot. Most Mizrahi definitely does though.
"A study found that the Palestinians, like Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis, Turks, and Kurds have what appears to be Female-Mediated gene flow in the form of Maternal DNAHaplogroups from sub-Saharan Africa. Of the 117 Palestinian individuals tested, 15 carried maternal haplogroups that originated in sub-Saharan Africa. These results are consistent with female migration from eastern Africa into Near Eastern communities within the last few thousand years. There have been many opportunities for such migrations during this period. However, the most likely explanation for the presence of predominantly female lineages of African origin in these areas is that they may trace back to women brought from Africa as part of the Arab slave trade, assimilated into the areas under Arab rule as a result of miscegenation and manumission.[119] "
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