why are people only talking about europeans and muslims when they are hindu, jewish and other relgions holidays on there? why doesnt someone pick on them
why are people only talking about europeans and muslims when they are hindu, jewish and other relgions holidays on there? why doesnt someone pick on them-Y2J-
its cool to hate muslims. this is an obvious attempt to de-Christianize europe
Well I don't see what's such a big deal about it and quite honestly the negative response this gets is both silly, rather hypocritical and our own fault in the first place For instance most calenders released only has the Christian holidays on them and the individual nations national day. There are no Islamic holidays on it, there are no Buddist holidays on it, Just Christian. Naturally Europe does not consist of only Christians but also Muslims, Buddist and so on. It's rather baffeling that while having calenders with only the christian holidays is okay, it sparks a seemingly outrage and a " Oh no, The non-christians are overtaking all of Europe" mindset when a calender is released without christian holidays but with the holidays of the other religions. That's basically sheer hypocrisy and paranoia. Not to mention the entire thing is silly since it's a simple calender and if a calender had all of the major religious holidays on them in the first place then this wouldn't have been an issue in the first place. And as far as I'm concerned it's not a insult, it's a way of saying "well if you don't want to include our holidays in the calender then we'll make our own, simple as that" If the roles were reversed, we would do the exact same thing and everybody knows it deep down if you think about it for a moment.
Well the EU produced a diary calendar that they are distributing in European Schools. But there is a controversy: While The Calendar includes Jewish, Sikh, Buddhist and other holidays (including "Europe Day"), it does not mention ANY Christian holidays (for Instance Christmas merely appears as "December 25").
Oh well, I guess Christians aren't the only ones offended: The Eu spent 28 Million Euros on these calendars, so I imagine European taxpayers would be offended to.
dontshackzmii
Feels like these days liberals act like christianity never existed . These P.C people have gone to far and need to stop. They avoid putting the biggest religion ever on their calender incase the very mention of christianity might hurt some ones feelings .
.. You do realize that in places like the United States liberals are mainly Christian right? Atheism and agnostic ideals are a small minority..
[QUOTE="-Y2J-"]why are people only talking about europeans and muslims when they are hindu, jewish and other relgions holidays on there? why doesnt someone pick on themHarisemo
its cool to hate muslims. this is an obvious attempt to de-Christianize europe
Well I don't see what's such a big deal about it and quite honestly the negative response this gets is both silly, rather hypocritical and our own fault in the first place For instance most calenders released only has the Christian holidays on them and the individual nations national day. There are no Islamic holidays on it, there are no Buddist holidays on it, Just Christian. Naturally Europe does not consist of only Christians but also Muslims, Buddist and so on. It's rather baffeling that while having calenders with only the christian holidays is okay, it sparks a seemingly outrage and a " Oh no, The non-christians are overtaking all of Europe" mindset when a calender is released without christian holidays but with the holidays of the other religions. That's basically sheer hypocrisy and paranoia. Not to mention the entire thing is silly since it's a simple calender and if a calender had all of the major religious holidays on them in the first place then this wouldn't have been an issue in the first place. And as far as I'm concerned it's not a insult, it's a way of saying "well if you don't want to include our holidays in the calender then we'll make our own, simple as that" If the roles were reversed, we would do the exact same thing and everybody knows it deep down if you think about it for a moment.Treflis
Then if they don't want to include religious days they should not for any religion.
[QUOTE="-Y2J-"]why are people only talking about europeans and muslims when they are hindu, jewish and other relgions holidays on there? why doesnt someone pick on themsSubZerOo
its cool to hate muslims. this is an obvious attempt to de-Christianize europe
:lol:
Its a freaking calender who cares..
Eh thatis the common reaction when a movement first starts.....I'd imagine that was the thought most people had in WW2 and we see where that went.
[QUOTE="-Y2J-"]why are people only talking about europeans and muslims when they are hindu, jewish and other relgions holidays on there? why doesnt someone pick on themsSubZerOo
its cool to hate muslims. this is an obvious attempt to de-Christianize europe
I tend to take whipassmt threads with a grain of salt since he usually links to articles that put a heavy slant on something...but assuming this is true, it is pretty stupid.
[QUOTE="Treflis"]Well I don't see what's such a big deal about it and quite honestly the negative response this gets is both silly, rather hypocritical and our own fault in the first place For instance most calenders released only has the Christian holidays on them and the individual nations national day. There are no Islamic holidays on it, there are no Buddist holidays on it, Just Christian. Naturally Europe does not consist of only Christians but also Muslims, Buddist and so on. It's rather baffeling that while having calenders with only the christian holidays is okay, it sparks a seemingly outrage and a " Oh no, The non-christians are overtaking all of Europe" mindset when a calender is released without christian holidays but with the holidays of the other religions. That's basically sheer hypocrisy and paranoia. Not to mention the entire thing is silly since it's a simple calender and if a calender had all of the major religious holidays on them in the first place then this wouldn't have been an issue in the first place. And as far as I'm concerned it's not a insult, it's a way of saying "well if you don't want to include our holidays in the calender then we'll make our own, simple as that" If the roles were reversed, we would do the exact same thing and everybody knows it deep down if you think about it for a moment.LJS9502_basic
Then if they don't want to include religious days they should not for any religion.Except their own? Like the "ordinary" calender with only the christian holidays? Yeah, I don't think our discussion will bear much fruit considering you imply in another post that this calender thing will possibly contribute to create another war in Europe.
[QUOTE="Treflis"]Well I don't see what's such a big deal about it and quite honestly the negative response this gets is both silly, rather hypocritical and our own fault in the first place For instance most calenders released only has the Christian holidays on them and the individual nations national day. There are no Islamic holidays on it, there are no Buddist holidays on it, Just Christian. Naturally Europe does not consist of only Christians but also Muslims, Buddist and so on. It's rather baffeling that while having calenders with only the christian holidays is okay, it sparks a seemingly outrage and a " Oh no, The non-christians are overtaking all of Europe" mindset when a calender is released without christian holidays but with the holidays of the other religions. That's basically sheer hypocrisy and paranoia. Not to mention the entire thing is silly since it's a simple calender and if a calender had all of the major religious holidays on them in the first place then this wouldn't have been an issue in the first place. And as far as I'm concerned it's not a insult, it's a way of saying "well if you don't want to include our holidays in the calender then we'll make our own, simple as that" If the roles were reversed, we would do the exact same thing and everybody knows it deep down if you think about it for a moment.Treflis
Then if they don't want to include religious days they should not for any religion.Except their own? Like the "ordinary" calender with only the christian holidays? Yeah, I don't think our discussion will bear much fruit considering you imply in another post that this calender thing will possibly contribute to create another war in Europe. EU does not represent any one religion. They have included days for some religions but not all. And no...what I said was that problems start small and get swept away because it's minor. Which is true.
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Here's an idea. Don't make calendars at all. There's more important stuff to take care of.LJS9502_basic
Here here. Down with calendars. Grab a pint and put some footie on. Is that better?:D Spot on. We missed the action though. Leeds drew with Arsenal earlier today. Those Prem teams are second rate.
Eh thatis the common reaction when a movement first starts.....I'd imagine that was the thought most people had in WW2 and we see where that went.
Are you seriously comparing the creation of a stupid calender to the rising Nazi regime what was taking over Europe??? Seriously>?
It started small didn't it? Seriously....you cannot know what minor insignificant event...in your eyes...won't have far reaching actions down the road.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Here's an idea. Don't make calendars at all. There's more important stuff to take care of.SolidSnake35
Here here. Down with calendars. Grab a pint and put some footie on. Is that better?:D Spot on. We missed the action though. Leeds drew with Arsenal earlier today. Those Prem teams are second rate.You are a Leeds fan?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Eh thatis the common reaction when a movement first starts.....I'd imagine that was the thought most people had in WW2 and we see where that went.
LJS9502_basic
Are you seriously comparing the creation of a stupid calender to the rising Nazi regime what was taking over Europe??? Seriously>?
It started small didn't it? Seriously....you cannot know what minor insignificant event...in your eyes...won't have far reaching actions down the road.
: Yeah your absolutely right! Oh wait.. The governments of Europe are controlled by the majority of people who are Christian.. Yet again no you have shown nothing even remotely close to relating to that.. If we were to go down this road.. We could make countless of ridiculous claims with this kind of logic for the most trivial things.. After all we are just looking down the road.. The moment I saw Obama not wear that American Flag pin.. I knew for certain that we would turn into a communism!..
Are you seriously comparing the creation of a stupid calender to the rising Nazi regime what was taking over Europe??? Seriously>?
sSubZerOo
It started small didn't it? Seriously....you cannot know what minor insignificant event...in your eyes...won't have far reaching actions down the road.
: Yeah your absolutely right! Oh wait.. The governments of Europe are controlled by the majority of people who are Christian.. Yet again no you have shown nothing even remotely close to relating to that.. If we were to go down this road.. We could make countless of ridiculous claims with this kind of logic for the most trivial things.. After all we are just looking down the road.. The moment I saw Obama not wear that American Flag pin.. I knew for certain that we would turn into a communism!..
What I said was that every major event started small. Which is absolutely spot on. But hey...there is always people on the sidelines saying it's minor....not a big deal....who cares. And you can argue against that all you want...but it's true. You dismissed as it not important. You don't know that.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Here here. Down with calendars. Grab a pint and put some footie on. Is that better?:D Spot on. We missed the action though. Leeds drew with Arsenal earlier today. Those Prem teams are second rate.You are a Leeds fan? Yep. Born there. : D
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It started small didn't it? Seriously....you cannot know what minor insignificant event...in your eyes...won't have far reaching actions down the road. LJS9502_basic
: Yeah your absolutely right! Oh wait.. The governments of Europe are controlled by the majority of people who are Christian.. Yet again no you have shown nothing even remotely close to relating to that.. If we were to go down this road.. We could make countless of ridiculous claims with this kind of logic for the most trivial things.. After all we are just looking down the road.. The moment I saw Obama not wear that American Flag pin.. I knew for certain that we would turn into a communism!..
What I said was that every major event started small. Which is absolutely spot on. But hey...there is always people on the sidelines saying it's minor....not a big deal....who cares. And you can argue against that all you want...but it's true. You dismissed as it not important. You don't know that.
yes in a region world where the majority are Christian and the majority control the governments.. This is not even close to what the Nazi regime was.. It was popular movement within the region that was taking over.. The "ignoring" and saying "not a big deal" by other countries is when Hitler had already taken power and was building up a immense military.. So no its not even the same yet again.. Its ridiculous to even suggest such a thing when there is NOTHING similar to it except for the claimed one.. I can give you thousands of "little" things that turned out to be great or bad.. Now there is some cause for concern I suppose on the competency of the governments, but to even start comparing it to Nazi regime on this is absurd.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It started small didn't it? Seriously....you cannot know what minor insignificant event...in your eyes...won't have far reaching actions down the road. LJS9502_basic
: Yeah your absolutely right! Oh wait.. The governments of Europe are controlled by the majority of people who are Christian.. Yet again no you have shown nothing even remotely close to relating to that.. If we were to go down this road.. We could make countless of ridiculous claims with this kind of logic for the most trivial things.. After all we are just looking down the road.. The moment I saw Obama not wear that American Flag pin.. I knew for certain that we would turn into a communism!..
What I said was that every major event started small. Which is absolutely spot on. But hey...there is always people on the sidelines saying it's minor....not a big deal....who cares. And you can argue against that all you want...but it's true. You dismissed as it not important. You don't know that.Nor do you know that this could lead up to a major event, it's simply your assumptions just as one assume it won't.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It started small didn't it? Seriously....you cannot know what minor insignificant event...in your eyes...won't have far reaching actions down the road. LJS9502_basic
: Yeah your absolutely right! Oh wait.. The governments of Europe are controlled by the majority of people who are Christian.. Yet again no you have shown nothing even remotely close to relating to that.. If we were to go down this road.. We could make countless of ridiculous claims with this kind of logic for the most trivial things.. After all we are just looking down the road.. The moment I saw Obama not wear that American Flag pin.. I knew for certain that we would turn into a communism!..
What I said was that every major event started small. Which is absolutely spot on. But hey...there is always people on the sidelines saying it's minor....not a big deal....who cares. And you can argue against that all you want...but it's spot on.
You really don't think you're overreacting here? It's stupid and a prime example of people walking on eggshells to be politically correct, but come on. It's a calendar.
: Yeah your absolutely right! Oh wait.. The governments of Europe are controlled by the majority of people who are Christian.. Yet again no you have shown nothing even remotely close to relating to that.. If we were to go down this road.. We could make countless of ridiculous claims with this kind of logic for the most trivial things.. After all we are just looking down the road.. The moment I saw Obama not wear that American Flag pin.. I knew for certain that we would turn into a communism!..
sSubZerOo
What I said was that every major event started small. Which is absolutely spot on. But hey...there is always people on the sidelines saying it's minor....not a big deal....who cares. And you can argue against that all you want...but it's true. You dismissed as it not important. You don't know that.
yes in a region world where the majority are Christian and the majority control the governments.. This is not even close to what the Nazi regime was.. It was popular movement within the region that was taking over.. The "ignoring" and saying "not a big deal" by other countries is when Hitler had already taken power and was building up a immense military.. So no its not even the same yet again.. Its ridiculous to even suggest such a thing when there is NOTHING similar to it except for the claimed one.. I can give you thousands of "little" things that turned out to be great or bad.. Now there is some cause for concern I suppose on the competency of the governments, but to even start comparing it to Nazi regime on this is absurd.
*sigh* The issue is bigger than one event. I used that for an example. ALL major problems between people start off small. And for the WW2 issue.....Jewish people were German citizens as well. That did not stop what happened so I don't see this majority having much meaning TBH. Look.....dismissing events as unimportant is what leads to the problems. If people pay attention to how actions effect others....there would be no problems. Or we could ignore it because it's minor and find out it has far reaching consequences. Now...we're not going to agree on this at all. I'm looking at the "possible" big picture. You are not.
Nor do you know that this could lead up to a major event, it's simply your assumptions just as one assume it won't.Treflis
Do you know that it won't? There was no reason to do it...especially since it's not a secular calendar what with the other religious days on it.
You really don't think you're overreacting here? It's stupid and a prime example of people walking on eggshells to be politically correct, but come on. It's a calendar.JML897
I'm more talking about his answer....not this particular issue.
More or less. Europe is pretty much secular. I thought the Muslims are the fastest growing religion in that area. True. If it's secular now...it won't be soon.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] True. If it's secular now...it won't be soon. It's risen from 6% of the population to 7% of the population in four years. I don't think it's anywhere close to taking over.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] True. If it's secular now...it won't be soon. It's risen from 6% of the population to 7% of the population in four years. I don't think it's anywhere close to taking over. Depends on how one defines soon. I didn't say immediately.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]What I said was that every major event started small. Which is absolutely spot on. But hey...there is always people on the sidelines saying it's minor....not a big deal....who cares. And you can argue against that all you want...but it's true. You dismissed as it not important. You don't know that.
LJS9502_basic
yes in a region world where the majority are Christian and the majority control the governments.. This is not even close to what the Nazi regime was.. It was popular movement within the region that was taking over.. The "ignoring" and saying "not a big deal" by other countries is when Hitler had already taken power and was building up a immense military.. So no its not even the same yet again.. Its ridiculous to even suggest such a thing when there is NOTHING similar to it except for the claimed one.. I can give you thousands of "little" things that turned out to be great or bad.. Now there is some cause for concern I suppose on the competency of the governments, but to even start comparing it to Nazi regime on this is absurd.
*sigh* The issue is bigger than one event. I used that for an example. ALL major problems between people start off small. And for the WW2 issue.....Jewish people were German citizens as well. That did not stop what happened so I don't see this majority having much meaning TBH. Look.....dismissing events as unimportant is what leads to the problems. If people pay attention to how actions effect others....there would be no problems. Or we could ignore it because it's minor and find out it has far reaching consequences. Now...we're not going to agree on this at all. I'm looking at the "possible" big picture. You are not.
................. LJ your be hypocritical.. There are numerous events every one sees as trivial.. If your going down that route, you may as well as crying out about every local event or other such thing that happens to you.. Going on about how its the beginning of the end or some other dribble.. You can not make this ridiculous comparison to the Nazi party.. This is close to Goldwin's fallacy.. In comparing from the get go of the worse thing you can think of to try to prove your point, a point that is a GIVEN if we see conintuing patterns of.. We haven't.. In fact the people making the biggest deal about this from what I have seen are Americans.. Not Europeans.
................. LJ your be hypocritical.. There are numerous events every one sees as trivial.. If your going down that route, you may as well as crying out about every local event or other such thing that happens to you.. Going on about how its the beginning of the end or some other dribble.. You can not make this ridiculous comparison to the Nazi party.. This is close to Goldwin's fallacy.. In comparing from the get go of the worse thing you can think of to try to prove your point, a point that is a GIVEN if we see conintuing patterns of.. We haven't.. In fact the people making the biggest deal about this from what I have seen are Americans.. Not Europeans.
sSubZerOo
I was referring to YOUR statement that you don't care to start with. And it's the not caring that creates problems in any major event.
Bit of a ridiculous decision. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/23/italy-eu-schools-diary-frattini They do claim that they will change the diaries though - so at least they didn't just brush it off.
Europe seems to be doing even worse than North America in integrating muslims into the population. A lot of muslim extremism popping out all over the place over there.
Europe seems to be doing even worse than North America in integrating muslims into the population. A lot of muslim extremism popping out all over the place over there.F1_2004
I fail to see what this has to do with integrating muslims. They have the Chinese dates for instance.....
[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Europe seems to be doing even worse than North America in integrating muslims into the population. A lot of muslim extremism popping out all over the place over there.Ravensmash
I fail to see what this has to do with integrating muslims. They have the Chinese dates for instance..... I guess it doesnt, I was just reading related articles when searching for this in the news.
[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]Europe seems to be doing even worse than North America in integrating muslims into the population. A lot of muslim extremism popping out all over the place over there.F1_2004
I fail to see what this has to do with integrating muslims. They have the Chinese dates for instance..... I guess it doesnt, I was just reading related articles when searching for this in the news. It's just PC gone mad in many instances. It's not even someone who could be offended who complains, it's some middle-class council worker thinking of some stupid idea.
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