If you had a chance to join the 'Army' and fight...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mikeroussos"]i see no point in the 21 century for armies to exist.when 99% of the countries are democratic then were will the threat come from.jointed

Look how Europe is doing....

I heard people saying that, joining an Army is 'Sick'.
Now what are your thoughts, is it really that bad, joining an army and fighting for your country ?
My thoughts are that when people are really willing in joining an army and risking their life, it's ok with them.
In some countries, you have to join an Army when you're 18..
I would only join if my country is under attack.

marolia

Kill one evil to save hundreds of innocents? Isn't that exactly how the enemies soldiers will see you?


I still think that your full of crap.
Lilac_Benjie

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]I would rather be killed than kill someone else.
Lilac_Benjie

[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mikeroussos"]i see no point in the 21 century for armies to exist.when 99% of the countries are democratic then were will the threat come from.LJS9502_basic

Look how Europe is doing....

My point was that you don't really need an army in todays world because war has changed, look how bad the troops in Iraq are doing......Armies isnt needed in a war against terrorism.......small military forces, yes mabye, but not unnecessarily big money wasters like america's army.....

And if a huge army was needed both Europe and the US could easily amass one in a couple of weeks.....

the point: Most nations are wasting their money on useless armies (USA , France , Britain for example)

Women, children, and elderly are in that bank, including a few pregnant women. So do you tuck tail and hide under a chair, or do you take him out? AND YES I KNOW THAT A VERY UNLIKELY SITUATION, BUT THAT IS NOT THE DAMN POINT xhellcatx

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mikeroussos"]i see no point in the 21 century for armies to exist.when 99% of the countries are democratic then were will the threat come from.jointed

Look how Europe is doing....

My point was that you don't really need an army in todays world because war has changed, look how bad the troops in Iraq are doing......Armies isnt needed in a war against terrorism.......small military forces, yes mabye, but not unnecessarily big money wasters like america's army.....

And if a huge army was needed both Europe and the US could easily amass one in a couple of weeks.....

the point: Most nations are wasting their money on useless armies (USA , France , Britain for example)

Sorry if your trying to make a point about something else, but ...well that just sorta grabbed me so had to put it on it.

My point was that you don't really need an army in todays world because war has changed, look how bad the troops in Iraq are doing......Armies isnt needed in a war against terrorism.......small military forces, yes mabye, but not unnecessarily big money wasters like america's army.....

And if a huge army was needed both Europe and the US could easily amass one in a couple of weeks.....

the point: Most nations are wasting their money on useless armies (USA , France , Britain for example)

jointed

You missed the entire point.:|   And no....you can't amass an effective military in a couple weeks if you've disbanded them.  Dude....come on.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Seriously, how do you think the world would operate without them?Lilac_Benjie

Got to disagree with you ...YET again.  The biggest contributor to war is man's greed and inablility to get along.

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"] Women, children, and elderly are in that bank, including a few pregnant women. So do you tuck tail and hide under a chair, or do you take him out? AND YES I KNOW THAT A VERY UNLIKELY SITUATION, BUT THAT IS NOT THE DAMN POINT Hewkii

[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Seriously, how do you think the world would operate without them?LJS9502_basic

Got to disagree with you ...YET again.  The biggest contributor to war is man's greed and inablility to get along.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mikeroussos"]i see no point in the 21 century for armies to exist.when 99% of the countries are democratic then were will the threat come from.xhellcatx

Look how Europe is doing....

My point was that you don't really need an army in todays world because war has changed, look how bad the troops in Iraq are doing......Armies isnt needed in a war against terrorism.......small military forces, yes mabye, but not unnecessarily big money wasters like america's army.....

And if a huge army was needed both Europe and the US could easily amass one in a couple of weeks.....

the point: Most nations are wasting their money on useless armies (USA , France , Britain for example)

Sorry if your trying to make a point about something else, but ...well that just sorta grabbed me so had to put it on it.

The point wasn't "how the soldiers feel"
THe point is the outcome of that war
sentencedogu

The actual war is over....but the country is not stable and being overrun by insurgents.  :wink:

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My point was that you don't really need an army in todays world because war has changed, look how bad the troops in Iraq are doing......Armies isnt needed in a war against terrorism.......small military forces, yes mabye, but not unnecessarily big money wasters like america's army.....

And if a huge army was needed both Europe and the US could easily amass one in a couple of weeks.....

the point: Most nations are wasting their money on useless armies (USA , France , Britain for example)

LJS9502_basic

You missed the entire point.:|   And no....you can't amass an effective military in a couple weeks if you've disbanded them.  Dude....come on.

yes you can.....Look what the US did in WW1........they could easily create a huge army on par with Britains in a couple of weeks....

[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Seriously, how do you think the world would operate without them?LJS9502_basic

Got to disagree with you ...YET again. The biggest contributor to war is man's greed and inablility to get along.

 Like my sensei said, it's not religion that leads to wars. It's the people who the follow the religions that lead to war.jerico6

He is correct...and without religion ...different reason same outcome.

The point wasn't "how the soldiers feel"
THe point is the outcome of that war
sentencedogu

yes you can.....Look what the US did in WW1........they could easily create a huge army on par with Britains in a couple of weeks....

jointed

Dude....we didn't create a military for WW1.:|   On par?  Ours is not below Britians.  Why should we clean up the mess in Europe if you don't want to protect your own homeland?  And no....you can't create an EFFECTIVE military in a few weeks.

Which is half-right. A few men's greed is what is causing war. Utilizing the mass media to portray the nation of a country as a threat to the own nation's culture, values, etc. is an old trick. Playing the religion card is especially effective against countries, governments and people of the middle east.
doubutsuteki

It has ALWAYS been thus....and human nature is human nature...it's more than a few.:wink:

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yes you can.....Look what the US did in WW1........they could easily create a huge army on par with Britains in a couple of weeks....

LJS9502_basic

Dude....we didn't create a military for WW1.:|   On par?  Ours is not below Britians.  Why should we clean up the mess in Europe if you don't want to protect your own homeland?  And no....you can't create an EFFECTIVE military in a few weeks.

yes you did, you had close to no army back then...just your national guard......In a couple of weeks the yanks managed to create and effective army and send it to Europe to fight....

and what "mess in Europe" ? and me not wanting to protect my homeland.....?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

yes you can.....Look what the US did in WW1........they could easily create a huge army on par with Britains in a couple of weeks....

jointed

Dude....we didn't create a military for WW1.:|   On par?  Ours is not below Britians.  Why should we clean up the mess in Europe if you don't want to protect your own homeland?  And no....you can't create an EFFECTIVE military in a few weeks.

yes you did, you had close to no army back then...just your national guard......In a couple of weeks the yanks managed to create and effective army and send it to Europe to fight....

and what "mess in Europe" ? and me not wanting to protect my homeland.....?

The army wasn't as large.....but it wasn't nonexistent.  And I was referring to your statement that an army could be created in a couple weeks if Europe needed one.

[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"]

Which is half-right. A few men's greed is what is causing war. Utilizing the mass media to portray the nation of a country as a threat to the own nation's culture, values, etc. is an old trick. Playing the religion card is especially effective against countries, governments and people of the middle east.
LJS9502_basic

It has ALWAYS been thus....and human nature is human nature...it's more than a few.:wink:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="doubutsuteki"]

Which is half-right. A few men's greed is what is causing war. Utilizing the mass media to portray the nation of a country as a threat to the own nation's culture, values, etc. is an old trick. Playing the religion card is especially effective against countries, governments and people of the middle east.
doubutsuteki

It has ALWAYS been thus....and human nature is human nature...it's more than a few.:wink:

You've just proven my point.  It's the differences that keep people apart....and yes greed.  Read history.  When has any length of time past that a conflict didn't occur somewhere?

War is not new to the capitalistic era....sorry. Again....check out some history.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

yes you can.....Look what the US did in WW1........they could easily create a huge army on par with Britains in a couple of weeks....

LJS9502_basic

Dude....we didn't create a military for WW1.:|   On par?  Ours is not below Britians.  Why should we clean up the mess in Europe if you don't want to protect your own homeland?  And no....you can't create an EFFECTIVE military in a few weeks.

yes you did, you had close to no army back then...just your national guard......In a couple of weeks the yanks managed to create and effective army and send it to Europe to fight....

and what "mess in Europe" ? and me not wanting to protect my homeland.....?

The army wasn't as large.....but it wasn't nonexistent.  And I was referring to your statement that an army could be created in a couple weeks if Europe needed one.

If the EU needs an army it can and will create one , mabye not in a couple of weeks (I exaggerated ), but most definitely within a month's time......If it's against a stronger foe like China or the US they would need a little more time before victory can be certain....

If the EU needs an army it can and will create one , mabye not in a couple of weeks (I exaggerated ), but most definitely within a month's time......If it's against a stronger foe like China or the US they would need a little more time before victory can be certain....

jointed

In a month's time....Europe would be destroyed.

[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="doubutsuteki"]

Which is half-right. A few men's greed is what is causing war. Utilizing the mass media to portray the nation of a country as a threat to the own nation's culture, values, etc. is an old trick. Playing the religion card is especially effective against countries, governments and people of the middle east.
LJS9502_basic

It has ALWAYS been thus....and human nature is human nature...it's more than a few.:wink:

You've just proven my point. It's the differences that keep people apart....and yes greed. Read history. When has any length of time past that a conflict didn't occur somewhere?

War is not new to the capitalistic era....sorry. Again....check out some history.

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What kind of differences are you talking about?

War certainly predates capitalism. But everywhere I look, the root cause of war has almost in all cases been private property. The capitalist system is the consequence of private property.
doubutsuteki

Which comes down to greed....which was my initial statement.  If you are going to agree....why not save time and not disagree.:|

People don't need to serve in the Military to serve our country.  Be it paying taxes, running a civil duty like being mayor or in politics, or by simply benefiting society in a good manner. 

People get too caught up in "The Military Gives you Honor" slogans blasted on TV.  Honor isn't awared to anyone who automatically joins it.  There is more honor is a grown man working to provide his children and family with sustinence rather than an 18 year old out of high school joining the army.  This is where I believe we have our priorities mixed up. 

People don't need to serve in the Military to serve our country. Be it paying taxes, running a civil duty like being mayor or in politics, or by simply benefiting society in a good manner.

People get too caught up in "The Military Gives you Honor" slogans blasted on TV. Honor isn't awared to anyone who automatically joins it. There is more honor is a grown man working to provide his children and family with sustinence rather than an 18 year old out of high school joining the army. This is where I believe we have our priorities mixed up.

Donkey_Puncher

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

People don't need to serve in the Military to serve our country. Be it paying taxes, running a civil duty like being mayor or in politics, or by simply benefiting society in a good manner.

People get too caught up in "The Military Gives you Honor" slogans blasted on TV. Honor isn't awared to anyone who automatically joins it. There is more honor is a grown man working to provide his children and family with sustinence rather than an 18 year old out of high school joining the army. This is where I believe we have our priorities mixed up.

bt_the_great_78

I do view the military as an honor bound profession to many.  They do, as you have said, lay down their life to protect the country in many ways.  But I still feel as if the military flaunts "HONOR" around in order to recruit many of it's younger angsty teen members.

To me, I see honor as something that is gained by benefiting society selfishlessy in many ways.  I would certainly grant honor to scientists working on cure and vaccines rather than young new recruits. 

That's just me though.  It gets tough seeing as someone like me who gets a 4 year degree and works on stuff (like the above I mentioned) only to get overlooked and get less gratification than a mere troop in the service.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

yes you can.....Look what the US did in WW1........they could easily create a huge army on par with Britains in a couple of weeks....

jointed

Dude....we didn't create a military for WW1.:|   On par?  Ours is not below Britians.  Why should we clean up the mess in Europe if you don't want to protect your own homeland?  And no....you can't create an EFFECTIVE military in a few weeks.

yes you did, you had close to no army back then...just your national guard......In a couple of weeks the yanks managed to create and effective army and send it to Europe to fight....

and what "mess in Europe" ? and me not wanting to protect my homeland.....?

jointed, where exactly do you get your information. No army at all? Yeah, I guess Roosevelt's Great White Fleet and the Spanish American war went completely over your head.

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

People don't need to serve in the Military to serve our country. Be it paying taxes, running a civil duty like being mayor or in politics, or by simply benefiting society in a good manner.

People get too caught up in "The Military Gives you Honor" slogans blasted on TV. Honor isn't awared to anyone who automatically joins it. There is more honor is a grown man working to provide his children and family with sustinence rather than an 18 year old out of high school joining the army. This is where I believe we have our priorities mixed up.

Donkey_Puncher

I do view the military as an honor bound profession to many. They do, as you have said, lay down their life to protect the country in many ways. But I still feel as if the military flaunts "HONOR" around in order to recruit many of it's younger angsty teen members.

To me, I see honor as something that is gained by benefiting society selfishlessy in many ways. I would certainly grant honor to scientists working on cure and vaccines rather than young new recruits.

That's just me though. It gets tough seeing as someone like me who gets a 4 year degree and works on stuff (like the above I mentioned) only to get overlooked and get less gratification than a mere troop in the service.

i see no point in the 21 century for armies to exist.when 99% of the countries are democratic then were will the threat come from.mikeroussos

When 99% of a post is stupid, well, you get the idea.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]I would rather be killed than kill someone else.
Lilac_Benjie

What's your point?