If European countries never lost their colonies, would the world be better off?

I mean, to be perfectly honest most haven't turned out too great after gaining independence.

Sure the Europeans were asshats back then, but in modern times I think they're doing quite well, while places like Africa and the Middle-East are not.

Would Chad be better off under French rule? Nigeria under British? Libya under Italian?

No?

America would be better off under British rule? I agree!SolidSnake35

England's colonies have mostly done well. The rest of the european colonies. . . . . not so much. So let England rule the world!

how about if they never colonized all over the freaking place in the first place..comp_atkins

England's colonies have mostly done well. The rest of the european colonies. . . . . not so much. So let England rule the world!

sonicare

America would be better off under British rule? I agree!SolidSnake35

England's colonies have mostly done well. The rest of the european colonies. . . . . not so much. So let England rule the world!

sonicare

England's colonies have mostly done well. The rest of the european colonies. . . . . not so much. So let England rule the world!

England's colonies have mostly done well. The rest of the european colonies. . . . . not so much. So let England rule the world!

Seeing as European empires caused the problems facing Africa and the like, I don't think so.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Stop calling refering to the entire country as 'England', it's annoying to someone who is British and isn't English.MushroomWig

Africa would be better off right now. Europeans still think they know whats best for everyone. Mind your damn business.

I mean, to be perfectly honest most haven't turned out too great after gaining independence.

Sure the Europeans were asshats back then, but in modern times I think they're doing quite well, while places like Africa and the Middle-East are not.

Would Chad be better off under French rule? Nigeria under British? Libya under Italian?

Head_of_games

ya

That would not happen. The problem was decolonization was not gradual like it was for Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The French gave their colonies an ultimatum, so French colonies had no chance from the beginning. The rest didn't have a better send off. I'm only talking about Africa here. Asia more or less developed well.lancelot200

Europe pretty much made the modern world. They did a great job at moving the world forward. Many places would still be in the stone age without them .

Europe pretty much made the modern world. They did a great job at moving the world forward. Many places would still be in the stone age without them .

dontshackzmii

Europe: Yeah

Rest of the world: no

Most of Africa: Actually possible. Most African nations are poor, weak, and corrupt. Under European Rule atleast they would have less wars and more infrastructure.

Though Europe never touching Africa to begin with would be the best for them.

Probably not. Slavery would most likely still be accepted and legal. And if England had total control over its colonies, the USA would not exist!

Though Europe never touching Africa to begin with would be the best for them.

dercoo

Well where would Europe be today if they didnt have any countries to take advantage of?

America would have a Indian culture.

Africa would have been similar with black tribes and Arabian people in the north.

I could imagine Asia being the central power of human development instead of Europe.

With the middle east second and Europe third

While Oceania,north and south America having their own rules

My advice to all Aussies and Kiwis... please continue to sing God Saves The Queen because they are the best Colonial. look at many of the former british colonial country (except for Singapore, HK and Canada) ...

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Though Europe never touching Africa to begin with would be the best for them.

Half-Way

Well where would Europe be today if they didnt have any countries to take advantage of?

America would have a Indian culture.

Africa would have been similar with black tribes and Arabian people in the north.

I could imagine Asia being the central power of human development instead of Europe.

With the middle east second and Europe third

While Oceania,north and south America having their own rules

By them, I meant Africa

Europe completely throw off the political balance in Africa.

[QUOTE="lancelot200"]That would not happen. The problem was decolonization was not gradual like it was for Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The French gave their colonies an ultimatum, so French colonies had no chance from the beginning. The rest didn't have a better send off. I'm only talking about Africa here. Asia more or less developed well.kuraimen

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

England's colonies have mostly done well. The rest of the european colonies. . . . . not so much. So let England rule the world!

MushroomWig

England controlled everything at the time so historically I think it's right to use England.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Though Europe never touching Africa to begin with would be the best for them.

dercoo

Well where would Europe be today if they didnt have any countries to take advantage of?

America would have a Indian culture.

Africa would have been similar with black tribes and Arabian people in the north.

I could imagine Asia being the central power of human development instead of Europe.

With the middle east second and Europe third

While Oceania,north and south America having their own rules

By them, I meant Africa

Europe completely throw off the political balance in Africa.

No i totally got you. And i agree.

the comment was a little sarcastic.

Europe pretty much made the modern world. They did a great job at moving the world forward. Many places would still be in the stone age without them .

dontshackzmii

Wasn't the middle east ahead of Europe in terms of advancement way back in the day? Secondly how did they move the world forward exactly? All they did was suck colony's resources, destroy their political structure (and replaced it with their own), attacked their cultures and spread their religions.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

Well where would Europe be today if they didnt have any countries to take advantage of?

America would have a Indian culture.

Africa would have been similar with black tribes and Arabian people in the north.

I could imagine Asia being the central power of human development instead of Europe.

With the middle east second and Europe third

While Oceania,north and south America having their own rules

Half-Way

By them, I meant Africa

Europe completely throw off the political balance in Africa.

No i totally got you. And i agree.

the comment was a little sarcastic.

Internet kills sarcasm yet again

:P

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

Europe pretty much made the modern world. They did a great job at moving the world forward. Many places would still be in the stone age without them .

Espada12

Wasn't the middle east ahead of Europe in terms of advancement way back in the day? Secondly how did they move the world forward exactly? All they did was suck colony's resources, destroy their political structure (and replaced it with their own), attacked their cultures and spread their religions.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="lancelot200"]That would not happen. The problem was decolonization was not gradual like it was for Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The French gave their colonies an ultimatum, so French colonies had no chance from the beginning. The rest didn't have a better send off. I'm only talking about Africa here. Asia more or less developed well.lancelot200

National turmoil? the europeans basically came and killed the cultures they occupied. Few managed not being exterminated almost completely. The hell with enlightment, progress and all that crap the indoeuropean culture has probably been the most murderous and damaging culture in the history of humanity.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] National turmoil? the europeans basically came and killed the cultures they occupied. Few managed not being exterminated almost completely. The hell with enlightment, progress and all that crap the indoeuropean culture has probably been the most murderous and damaging culture in the history of humanity.lancelot200

Well since it's really impossible to know the outcome of something like that I can't really give an opinion either way. In other words, don't know.

Probably not. Slavery would most likely still be accepted and legal. And if England had total control over its colonies, the USA would not exist!

ToastRider11

National turmoil? the europeans basically came and killed the cultures they occupied. Few managed not being exterminated almost completely. The hell with enlightment, progress and all that crap the indoeuropean culture has probably been the most murderous and damaging culture in the history of humanity.kuraimen

Yeah you have no idea what happened in aus do you?

Yeah you have no idea what happened in aus do you?

chris_yz80

We essentially killed most of the Aboriginies. The stolen generation etc... pretty much exactly what the poster you quoted was suggesting.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] You aren't answering the question. It sounded to me you believe Canada, New Zealand, and Australia succeeded because they were formed by the white man. Naturally, it means you believe Africa has difficulties because it is not white... Surely, that cannot be your original claim.

chris_yz80

Yeah you have no idea what happened in aus do you?

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No I said it suceeded because the ones that colonized it managed to replace the indigenous population with their own people. Of course you would succeed imposing your culture in a place if you kill everyone there and bring your people. But when you try to impose your culture on people with a very different one and at different stages of development then of course it is going to fail most of the time, ie Africa.kuraimen

Yeah you have no idea what happened in aus do you?