Homeland Security Says to Confront Mass Shooters With Scissors.

Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen/read.  US Dept. of Homeland Security put out a video of how to deal with mass shooting situations.  If anyone still needs a reason to know that DHS is not looking out for your best interests, consider this-  They recommend that you arm yourself with scissors and try to "overpower" a mass shooter with them.  

I'm speechless.  

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/31/new-homeland-security-video-how-fight-shooters-sci/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/shear_bravery_beats_guns_feds_d9BanDpupuVezePd6trYoM

Anything to keep people from, you know.. actually defending themselves.  

Just dont run with them.

I defend myself with blubber

Doesn't this mean that scissors are dangerous weapons and shouldn't be in schools? 

Doesn't this mean that scissors are dangerous weapons and shouldn't be in schools? 

Jacobistheman

I don't know maybe they can cut down on crime.

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

Doesn't this mean that scissors are dangerous weapons and shouldn't be in schools? 

Chaos_HL21

I don't know maybe they can cut down on crime.

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

Doesn't this mean that scissors are dangerous weapons and shouldn't be in schools? 

Chaos_HL21

I don't know maybe they can cut down on crime.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

Doesn't this mean that scissors are dangerous weapons and shouldn't be in schools?

Jacobistheman

I don't know maybe they can cut down on crime.

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

Doesn't this mean that scissors are dangerous weapons and shouldn't be in schools? 

Chaos_HL21

I don't know maybe they can cut down on crime.

What would be a good strategy for using scissors against a shooter? Rushing a shooter from the front will probably just end up in you getting shot. Maybe a person could sneak up behind the shooter and jam the scissors into his neck/face/throat area. But I'm guessing that most of the scissors at a school environment, especially in elementary schools and preschools are probably fairly dull.

A more effective option would be to let teachers carry firearms, provided they meant certain training and marksmanship standards, so that if a shooter comes in, they have the chance to defend themselves and their students.

Doesn't this mean that scissors are dangerous weapons and shouldn't be in schools? 

Jacobistheman

more effective option would be to let teachers carry firearms, provided they meant certain training and marksmanship standards, so that if a shooter comes in, they have the chance to defend themselves and their students.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

more effective option would be to let teachers carry firearms, provided they meant certain training and marksmanship standards, so that if a shooter comes in, they have the chance to defend themselves and their students.

shadowkiller11

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen/read. US Dept. of Homeland Security put out a video of how to deal with mass shooting situations. If anyone still needs a reason to know that DHS is not looking out for your best interests, consider this- They recommend that you arm yourself with scissors and try to "overpower" a mass shooter with them.

I'm speechless.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/31/new-homeland-security-video-how-fight-shooters-sci/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/shear_bravery_beats_guns_feds_d9BanDpupuVezePd6trYoM

Anything to keep people from, you know.. actually defending themselves.

thegerg

we need to nuke ourselves already.

if you take that literally^ thanks for proving my point.

I protect myself with swag.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen/read.  US Dept. of Homeland Security put out a video of how to deal with mass shooting situations.  If anyone still needs a reason to know that DHS is not looking out for your best interests, consider this-  They recommend that you arm yourself with scissors and try to "overpower" a mass shooter with them.  

I'm speechless.  

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/31/new-homeland-security-video-how-fight-shooters-sci/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/shear_bravery_beats_guns_feds_d9BanDpupuVezePd6trYoM

Anything to keep people from, you know.. actually defending themselves.  

thegerg

It was an option before.  It doesn't become "an option" because DHS decides it is.  By saying "try to overpower them by any means available," and showing someone grabbing scissors, they are recommending it.  At the very least, suggesting it.    

Don't question my friend...

[QUOTE="shadowkiller11"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]

more effective option would be to let teachers carry firearms, provided they meant certain training and marksmanship standards, so that if a shooter comes in, they have the chance to defend themselves and their students.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] You seem to be very confused, they are making no such recommendation. They are simply providing it as an option.thegerg

It was an option before.  By saying "try to overpower them by any means available," and showing someone grabbing scissors, they are recommending it.  

"You might considering trying to overpower the shooter by whatever means are available."  Then they show someone grabbing scissors out of a desk, suggesting that this might be a good option.  Everything is an "option."  They wouldn't have shown someone grabbing scissors if they weren't recommending it as a possible good course of action in such a situation.  It's not a good idea.  Stop your trolling.     

ok just watched the video... scissors was in the video less then 2 seconds and they didn't use the name scissors. Basically said grab what you can to use as a weapon and IF you in school/office well there's good chance some pair of scissors is around..

better then grabbing the scott tape or 12in ruler...

ok just watched the video... scissors was in the video less then 2 seconds and they didn't use the name scissors. Basically said grab what you can to use as a weapon and IF you in school/office well there's good chance some pair of scissors is around..k2theswiss

The issue is that they are putting it into people's heads that this might be a good option by featuring scissors as a weapon of choice in the video.  Not only that, but nowhere do they say to shoot back.  The best defense is a good offense.  Scissors are not a good offense.  A gun is.  

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

It was an option before.  By saying "try to overpower them by any means available," and showing someone grabbing scissors, they are recommending it.  

hartsickdiscipl

"You might considering trying to overpower the shooter by whatever means are available."  Then they show someone grabbing scissors out of a desk, suggesting that this might be a good option.  Everything is an "option."  They wouldn't have shown someone grabbing scissors if they weren't recommending it as a possible good course of action in such a situation.  It's not a good idea.  Stop your trolling.     

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]ok just watched the video... scissors was in the video less then 2 seconds and they didn't use the name scissors. Basically said grab what you can to use as a weapon and IF you in school/office well there's good chance some pair of scissors is around..hartsickdiscipl

The issue is that they are putting it into people's heads that this might be a good option by featuring scissors as a weapon of choice in the video.  Not only that, but nowhere do they say to shoot back.  The best defense is a good offense.  Scissors are not a good offense.  A gun is.  

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[QUOTE="shadowkiller11"]No... just no.chrisrooR

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] "It was an option before." Of course it was, what's your point? "By saying "try to overpower them by any means available," and showing someone grabbing scissors, they are recommending it." 1-No, they aren't recommending it. 2-They don't say "try to overpower them by any means available."chrisrooR

"You might considering trying to overpower the shooter by whatever means are available."  Then they show someone grabbing scissors out of a desk, suggesting that this might be a good option.  Everything is an "option."  They wouldn't have shown someone grabbing scissors if they weren't recommending it as a possible good course of action in such a situation.  It's not a good idea.  Stop your trolling.     

lol.. no.. I shouldn't "feel bad."  It's only misleading if you don't think about what the picture is telling you, and put yourself into that situation for a minute.

They didn't have to verbally "say" to attack the shooter with scissors.  What picture does it put into your head when they show the person grabbing the scissors?  Someone who made that video specificially thought "let's show someone grabbing scissors to attack a gunman with."  You can't deny that.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]ok just watched the video... scissors was in the video less then 2 seconds and they didn't use the name scissors. Basically said grab what you can to use as a weapon and IF you in school/office well there's good chance some pair of scissors is around..chrisrooR

The issue is that they are putting it into people's heads that this might be a good option by featuring scissors as a weapon of choice in the video.  Not only that, but nowhere do they say to shoot back.  The best defense is a good offense.  Scissors are not a good offense.  A gun is.  

Suggesting that Police will arrive in time to save you, and that you should depend on them for that.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]ok just watched the video... scissors was in the video less then 2 seconds and they didn't use the name scissors. Basically said grab what you can to use as a weapon and IF you in school/office well there's good chance some pair of scissors is around..chrisrooR

The issue is that they are putting it into people's heads that this might be a good option by featuring scissors as a weapon of choice in the video.  Not only that, but nowhere do they say to shoot back.  The best defense is a good offense.  Scissors are not a good offense.  A gun is.  

EDIT: Sources

http://www.guncite.com/kleckandgertztable1.html (A compilation of a bunch of studies, they are old so the numbers have most likely gone up with population)

http://www.policyalmanac.org/crime/archive/firearms_and_crime.shtml (The total number of Violent crimes involving guns in the US, in the Year 2000) 

It looks more like it starts at 150% (but it is hard to tell since data is form different years), but that is still a huge percentage.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] "It was an option before." Of course it was, what's your point? "By saying "try to overpower them by any means available," and showing someone grabbing scissors, they are recommending it." 1-No, they aren't recommending it. 2-They don't say "try to overpower them by any means available."thegerg

"You might considering trying to overpower the shooter by whatever means are available."  Then they show someone grabbing scissors out of a desk, suggesting that this might be a good option.  Everything is an "option."  They wouldn't have shown someone grabbing scissors if they weren't recommending it as a possible good course of action in such a situation.  It's not a good idea.  Stop your trolling.     

Give me a break.  You know as well as I that they were condemning the shooter and giving suggestions to potential victims.  Of course showing a shooter doesn't mean that they are suggesting to shoot a place up.  The words AND the picture form what's being communicated.  Good lord man.  Don't be so dense and/or intellectually dishonest.  

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]ok just watched the video... scissors was in the video less then 2 seconds and they didn't use the name scissors. Basically said grab what you can to use as a weapon and IF you in school/office well there's good chance some pair of scissors is around..hartsickdiscipl

The issue is that they are putting it into people's heads that this might be a good option by featuring scissors as a weapon of choice in the video.  Not only that, but nowhere do they say to shoot back.  The best defense is a good offense.  Scissors are not a good offense.  A gun is.  

lets be honest. how many people carry their gun on them to work Ect, Ect? i can't image a lot. SO with that said whats able in most work environments and that is able to be used has a weapon? scissors.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]ok just watched the video... scissors was in the video less then 2 seconds and they didn't use the name scissors. Basically said grab what you can to use as a weapon and IF you in school/office well there's good chance some pair of scissors is around..k2theswiss

The issue is that they are putting it into people's heads that this might be a good option by featuring scissors as a weapon of choice in the video.  Not only that, but nowhere do they say to shoot back.  The best defense is a good offense.  Scissors are not a good offense.  A gun is.  

lets be honest. how many people carry their gun on them to work Ect, Ect? i can't image a lot. SO with that said whats able in most work environments and that is able to be used has a weapon? scissors.

Unless you're an expert scissor-thrower, it's not going to do you much good.  What I'm suggesting is that maybe people should be armed at work.  If this mass shooting problem is so bad (which it's not) that the DHS feels the need to present the public with a video like this, they should provide some powerful and truly constructive suggestions for action.  I understand that most people are not currently carrying guns.  I'd like to live in a world where guns don't exist.  Unfortunately, they do.  The DHS is telling people that they are powerless to defend themselves with anything more than a pair of scissors.  That they should just wait under a desk or behind a planter for the police to arrive.  That's not proactive advice that will get anything done.  

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

"You might considering trying to overpower the shooter by whatever means are available."  Then they show someone grabbing scissors out of a desk, suggesting that this might be a good option.  Everything is an "option."  They wouldn't have shown someone grabbing scissors if they weren't recommending it as a possible good course of action in such a situation.  It's not a good idea.  Stop your trolling.     

hartsickdiscipl

lol.. no.. I shouldn't "feel bad."  It's only misleading if you don't think about what the picture is telling you, and put yourself into that situation for a minute.

They didn't have to verbally "say" to attack the shooter with scissors.  What picture does it put into your head when they show the person grabbing the scissors?  Someone who made that video specificially thought "let's show someone grabbing scissors to attack a gunman with."  You can't deny that.  

You should feel bad because you're consistently one of the worst posters I see on these forums. It's misleading if you understand the context of the video. They aren't advising to grab scissors and run at an attacker, the video highlights that this should be a last resort. If they had shown a person unplugging and throwing a phone, I'm sure you would have radically attacked that as well 

"OHHH LAWD THE GOVERNMENT WANTS US TO THROW CHAIRS AT SHOOTERS AND THEY THINK ITS A GOOD IDEA!" - no it isn't, it's an option. A last resort.

You insinuated that they made it seem like it is a good idea. It's not and they never said that, it's just an option. Probably not a great one, but it's an option. 

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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] It's a last resort to attempt to stop a shooter by using objects around you. This topic title is misleading, this topic is bad and you should feel bad. Homeland security never "SAYS..." anything. They use it as a last resort. They never suggested it was a good option, only that it was an option. I don't know where you're getting "good course of action" from.chrisrooR

lol.. no.. I shouldn't "feel bad."  It's only misleading if you don't think about what the picture is telling you, and put yourself into that situation for a minute.

They didn't have to verbally "say" to attack the shooter with scissors.  What picture does it put into your head when they show the person grabbing the scissors?  Someone who made that video specificially thought "let's show someone grabbing scissors to attack a gunman with."  You can't deny that.  

You should feel bad because you're consistently one of the worst posters I see on these forums. It's misleading if you understand the context of the video. They aren't advising to grab scissors and run at an attacker, the video highlights that this should be a last resort. If they had shown a person unplugging and throwing a phone, I'm sure you would have radically attacked that as well 

"OHHH LAWD THE GOVERNMENT WANTS US TO THROW CHAIRS AT SHOOTERS AND THEY THINK ITS A GOOD IDEA!" - no it isn't, it's an option. A last resort.

You insinuated that they made it seem like it is a good idea. It's not and they never said that, it's just an option. Probably not a great one, but it's an option. 

This video does nothing to make people feel empowered to stop shooters.  Therefore, it's a bad video.  That was the point of what I was trying to communicate.  

If you think I'm such a "bad poster," why do you visit my threads?  Why not do something more constructive with your life?

Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen/read.  US Dept. of Homeland Security put out a video of how to deal with mass shooting situations.  If anyone still needs a reason to know that DHS is not looking out for your best interests, consider this-  They recommend that you arm yourself with scissors and try to "overpower" a mass shooter with them.  

I'm speechless.  

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/31/new-homeland-security-video-how-fight-shooters-sci/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/shear_bravery_beats_guns_feds_d9BanDpupuVezePd6trYoM

Anything to keep people from, you know.. actually defending themselves.  

hartsickdiscipl

Sign that this thread is based on a lie ofr half truth #1: The Op is Hartsick

Sign #2: the sources listed are blatantly conservatively biased.

sign #3: it seems way too stupid to be true

and now lets watch the video.

...

The signs were correct. This story is infact based on a half truth.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen/read.  US Dept. of Homeland Security put out a video of how to deal with mass shooting situations.  If anyone still needs a reason to know that DHS is not looking out for your best interests, consider this-  They recommend that you arm yourself with scissors and try to "overpower" a mass shooter with them.  

I'm speechless.  

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/31/new-homeland-security-video-how-fight-shooters-sci/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/shear_bravery_beats_guns_feds_d9BanDpupuVezePd6trYoM

Anything to keep people from, you know.. actually defending themselves.  

Guybrush_3

Sign that this thread is based on a lie ofr half truth #1: The Op is Hartsick

Sign #2: the sources listed are blatantly conservatively biased.

sign #3: it seems way too stupid to be true

and now lets watch the video.

...

The signs were correct. This story is infact based on a half truth.

It's tough to see the truth with your head in the sand.  It's called "reading between the lines."  I don't want the federal government spreading videos around that paint us as victims that can do nothing more than hide under desks and defend ourselves with scissors.  Just sit there and wait until the police arrive like a good little slave.  You don't need to arm yourself.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] "suggesting that this might be a good option." And in some cases it might be a good option. "Everything is an "option."' Of course it is, what's your point? Saying that something is an option isn't a recommendation. " They wouldn't have shown someone grabbing scissors if they weren't recommending it as a possible good course of action in such a situation." They also show someone shooting unarmed civilians, does this mean that they are recommending that as a good course of action? Showing something=/=recommendation. " It's not a good idea" In some cases it may be, don't be so closed minded.thegerg

Give me a break.  You know as well as I that they were condemning the shooter and giving suggestions to potential victims.  Of course showing a shooter doesn't mean that they are suggesting to shoot a place up.  The words AND the picture form what's being communicated.  Good lord man.  Don't be so dense and/or intellectually dishonest.  

If you got your training from DHS, I am truly sorry for you.  They think that farmers with shotguns are threats now.  

Question- Do you or do you not think that people who watched that video are more likely to try to take a shooter out with scissors than they were before they watched it?

Surprise surprise, hartstick is too f*cking stupid to realize this is meant as advice if you don't have another means of defense.chessmaster1989

Bad advice.  

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

lol.. no.. I shouldn't "feel bad."  It's only misleading if you don't think about what the picture is telling you, and put yourself into that situation for a minute.

They didn't have to verbally "say" to attack the shooter with scissors.  What picture does it put into your head when they show the person grabbing the scissors?  Someone who made that video specificially thought "let's show someone grabbing scissors to attack a gunman with."  You can't deny that.  

hartsickdiscipl

You should feel bad because you're consistently one of the worst posters I see on these forums. It's misleading if you understand the context of the video. They aren't advising to grab scissors and run at an attacker, the video highlights that this should be a last resort. If they had shown a person unplugging and throwing a phone, I'm sure you would have radically attacked that as well 

"OHHH LAWD THE GOVERNMENT WANTS US TO THROW CHAIRS AT SHOOTERS AND THEY THINK ITS A GOOD IDEA!" - no it isn't, it's an option. A last resort.

You insinuated that they made it seem like it is a good idea. It's not and they never said that, it's just an option. Probably not a great one, but it's an option. 

This video does nothing to make people feel empowered to stop shooters.  Therefore, it's a bad video.  That was the point of what I was trying to communicate.  

If you think I'm such a "bad poster," why do you visit my threads?  Why not do something more constructive with your life?