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#51 Posted by JoeRatz16 (690 posts) -

Joe/Whip, I'm not going to do the "how many angels can dance on the head of a needle game." It's Friday, and I'm about an hour away from wandering off and playing Persona 4 Golden for the night. You know damn well that you're trying to spin a series of absurdities. Not playing. nocoolnamejim
Hmm. I do feel that your paraphrases misrepresent what I actually said. Anyways when I was talking about the not knowing how the incident went down, I meant the incident with the choir, not that I didn't know if Fecteau sprayed the other person. I don't think Fecteau brought the holy water with her intending to spray a person, I think she intended to spray the facility.

#52 Posted by JoeRatz16 (690 posts) -

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

In related news:

"CHARLESTON - For the past 11 days, anti-abortion demonstrators have gathered at the Charleston Women's Medical Center in West Ashley as part of the annual "40 Days for Life" movement against abortion, each of them signing a "statement of peace" before participating.

Police say the protest met a threat Saturday morning when an out-of-state abortion doctor flashed a gun at them.

Police arrested Gary Boyle, 62, a Blountville, Tenn., physician, on charges of pointing a firearm.

Boyle drove into the parking lot of the clinic on Ashley River Road near Fuseler Road at around 8:30 a.m. When three protesters, including a 17-year-old boy, approached him, Boyle brandished a black handgun loaded with 15 rounds, according to a police report.

Boyle then stepped out of his SUV and walked into the clinic without further incident, the report says. One of the three protesters, 50-year-old John Karafa, called 911."

I wonder if this incident caused him to lose his medical license?

nocoolnamejim

All he did was show that he was prepared to defend himself, as is his Constitutional right. Doctors who preform abortions have been subject to violence you know.

ITT: Joe said, "Look over there!"

what the heck, I thought I deleted the advertisement after I copied and pasted.

#53 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
That is some next-level trolling. I respect it.
#54 Posted by JoeRatz16 (690 posts) -

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

In related news:

"CHARLESTON - For the past 11 days, anti-abortion demonstrators have gathered at the Charleston Women's Medical Center in West Ashley as part of the annual "40 Days for Life" movement against abortion, each of them signing a "statement of peace" before participating.

Police say the protest met a threat Saturday morning when an out-of-state abortion doctor flashed a gun at them.

Police arrested Gary Boyle, 62, a Blountville, Tenn., physician, on charges of pointing a firearm.

Boyle drove into the parking lot of the clinic on Ashley River Road near Fuseler Road at around 8:30 a.m. When three protesters, including a 17-year-old boy, approached him, Boyle brandished a black handgun loaded with 15 rounds, according to a police report.

Boyle then stepped out of his SUV and walked into the clinic without further incident, the report says. One of the three protesters, 50-year-old John Karafa, called 911."

I wonder if this incident caused him to lose his medical license?

worlock77

All he did was show that he was prepared to defend himself, as is his Constitutional right. Doctors who preform abortions have been subject to violence you know.

Maybe, but then why did the police arrest him? Plus the people praying at the vigil were peaceful, they weren't any threat to him.

#55 Posted by Chutebox (37983 posts) -

Although it was unfortunate about what happened to that woman who lost her baby, I have no sympathy for people who have abortions. None (unless life is in dander of course).

And no, I wouldn't involve kids.

#56 Posted by XturnalS (5018 posts) -

What pro-lifers doing repugnant shít to get their misguided, unscientific views across? Stop the fúcking presses.

No, but seriously, fúck those guys and anyone who supports that low-level scummy protest. But in a way I'm kind of glad they keep doing it. News stories like these just galvanize the opposition.

#57 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

What pro-lifers doing repugnant shít to get their misguided, unscientific views across? Stop the fúcking presses.

No, but seriously, fúck those guys and anyone who supports that low-level scummy protest. But in a way I'm kind of glad they keep doing it. News stories like these just galvanize the opposition.

XturnalS
The fact that this woman is crazy does not invalidate the position of being pro life, which you curiously describe as unscientific.
#58 Posted by XturnalS (5018 posts) -

[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

What pro-lifers doing repugnant shít to get their misguided, unscientific views across? Stop the fúcking presses.

No, but seriously, fúck those guys and anyone who supports that low-level scummy protest. But in a way I'm kind of glad they keep doing it. News stories like these just galvanize the opposition.

jim_shorts

The fact that this woman is crazy does not invalidate the position of being pro life, which you curiously describe as unscientific.

Then please show me the science. The burden of proof lies with these individuals so by all means I'm ready and eager to see some good ole scientific proof.

#59 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="XturnalS"]

What pro-lifers doing repugnant shít to get their misguided, unscientific views across? Stop the fúcking presses.

No, but seriously, fúck those guys and anyone who supports that low-level scummy protest. But in a way I'm kind of glad they keep doing it. News stories like these just galvanize the opposition.

XturnalS

The fact that this woman is crazy does not invalidate the position of being pro life, which you curiously describe as unscientific.

Then please show me the science. The burden of proof lies with these individuals so by all means I'm ready and eager to see some good ole scientific proof.

Burden of proof of what exactly? That abortion is taking a life? It's a scientific fact that an unborn child is alive.
#60 Posted by Rich3232 (2628 posts) -
[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] The fact that this woman is crazy does not invalidate the position of being pro life, which you curiously describe as unscientific. jim_shorts

Then please show me the science. The burden of proof lies with these individuals so by all means I'm ready and eager to see some good ole scientific proof.

Burden of proof of what exactly? That abortion is taking a life? It's a scientific fact that an unborn child is alive.

It's not a child; it's a bundle of cells. The same as your skin cells, hair cells, etc.
#61 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -
[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="XturnalS"]

Then please show me the science. The burden of proof lies with these individuals so by all means I'm ready and eager to see some good ole scientific proof.

Rich3232
Burden of proof of what exactly? That abortion is taking a life? It's a scientific fact that an unborn child is alive.

It's not a child; it's a bundle of cells. The same as your skin cells, hair cells, etc.

Depends on what stage of development you're talking about. And with that kind of argument you could say we're just a bundle of cells. Doesn't change the fact that both are alive.
#62 Posted by Ilovegames1992 (14221 posts) -

[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] The fact that this woman is crazy does not invalidate the position of being pro life, which you curiously describe as unscientific. jim_shorts

Then please show me the science. The burden of proof lies with these individuals so by all means I'm ready and eager to see some good ole scientific proof.

Burden of proof of what exactly? That abortion is taking a life? It's a scientific fact that an unborn child is alive.

What's alive?

#63 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="XturnalS"]

Then please show me the science. The burden of proof lies with these individuals so by all means I'm ready and eager to see some good ole scientific proof.

Ilovegames1992

Burden of proof of what exactly? That abortion is taking a life? It's a scientific fact that an unborn child is alive.

What's alive?

Biologically alive. I'm not being philosophical. By the biological definition of living, a fetus would fit that description.
#64 Posted by Rich3232 (2628 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] Burden of proof of what exactly? That abortion is taking a life? It's a scientific fact that an unborn child is alive.jim_shorts

What's alive?

Biologically alive. I'm not being philosophical. By the biological definition of living, a fetus would fit that description.

better question, then. What is a child?
#65 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -
[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

What's alive?

Rich3232
Biologically alive. I'm not being philosophical. By the biological definition of living, a fetus would fit that description.

better question, then. What is a child?

A child is a young human. I'm not seeing where you're going with this.
#66 Posted by Ilovegames1992 (14221 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] Burden of proof of what exactly? That abortion is taking a life? It's a scientific fact that an unborn child is alive.jim_shorts

What's alive?

Biologically alive. I'm not being philosophical. By the biological definition of living, a fetus would fit that description.

Scientists would probably disagree on whats alive.
But fair enough.

#67 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
The argument as to whether or not a fetus is a person is an arbitrary debate with no answer. It's also completely irrelevant to the abortion issue. Being bogged down in these side debates with no resolution is one of the main problems with this issue. I'm pro-choice, but my position has nothing to do with whether life starts at conception.
#68 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

What's alive?

Ilovegames1992

Biologically alive. I'm not being philosophical. By the biological definition of living, a fetus would fit that description.

Scientists would probably disagree on whats alive.
But fair enough.

There's a very standardized definition of what's living. An organism must fit certain criteria, which a fetus does.
#69 Posted by Ilovegames1992 (14221 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] Biologically alive. I'm not being philosophical. By the biological definition of living, a fetus would fit that description.jim_shorts

Scientists would probably disagree on whats alive.
But fair enough.

There's a very standardized definition of what's living. An organism must fit certain criteria, which a fetus does.

And what would that be just out of curiosity?

#70 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Scientists would probably disagree on whats alive.
But fair enough.

Ilovegames1992

There's a very standardized definition of what's living. An organism must fit certain criteria, which a fetus does.

And what would that be just out of curiosity?

I don't remember all of them, but basically a living thing must be comprised of cells, grow and develop, respond to outside stimuli, stuff like that.
#71 Posted by Ilovegames1992 (14221 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] There's a very standardized definition of what's living. An organism must fit certain criteria, which a fetus does.jim_shorts

And what would that be just out of curiosity?

I don't remember all of them, but basically a living thing must be comprised of cells, grow and develop, respond to outside stimuli, stuff like that.

Fair enough, i thought there were other stipulations too for it to be an actual life. Wouldn't it share most of its traits with that of a parasite though? Cliche argument i know but i can't argue with it.

#72 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

Fair enough, i thought there were other stipulations too for it to be an actual life. Wouldn't it share most of its traits with that of a parasite though? Cliche argument i know but i can't argue with it.

Ilovegames1992
To an extent, but parasites are alive too. Plus it's not like it's always going to be like that. You were there once too.
#73 Posted by Ilovegames1992 (14221 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Fair enough, i thought there were other stipulations too for it to be an actual life. Wouldn't it share most of its traits with that of a parasite though? Cliche argument i know but i can't argue with it.

jim_shorts

To an extent, but parasites are alive too. Plus it's not like it's always going to be like that. You were there once too.

Right, but it was a nothingness, there was nothing there, did i have rights, was i truly alive? I don't know, but the way i see it, me as a foetus woudn't havee had any input so terminating me wouldn't have meant anything, it's like kiling bacteria. I had no rights, to be honest abortion seems the better move in hindsight but i digress.

#74 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

Right, but it was a nothingness, there was nothing there, did i have rights, was i truly alive? I don't know, but the way i see it, me as a foetus woudn't havee had any input so terminating me wouldn't have meant anything, it's like kiling bacteria. I had no rights, to be honest abortion seems the better move in hindsight but i digress.

Ilovegames1992
I would argue that you did have rights, the right to live the foremost of them. Sure, you weren't aware of what was going on nor did you have any input, but the same can be said of someone who is sleeping for example.
#75 Posted by Ilovegames1992 (14221 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Right, but it was a nothingness, there was nothing there, did i have rights, was i truly alive? I don't know, but the way i see it, me as a foetus woudn't havee had any input so terminating me wouldn't have meant anything, it's like kiling bacteria. I had no rights, to be honest abortion seems the better move in hindsight but i digress.

jim_shorts

I would argue that you did have rights, the right to live the foremost of them. Sure, you weren't aware of what was going on nor did you have any input, but the same can be said of someone who is sleeping for example.

Yes but their consciousness is still active isn't it.

Would a non sentient life form that has no awareness of its existence be awarded the same rights as an actively alive human?

#76 Posted by PamelaWDW (2 posts) -
Joyce Fecteau was not charged with assault. She was charged with harassment. She and her husband have been arrested many times for harassing clinic volunteers, staff and patients. There are more charges pending.
#77 Posted by PamelaWDW (2 posts) -
I am the coordinator for the pro-choice group that had this woman arrested. Considering there is no reason to assume that the thing someone is spraying you with against your will is actually 'holy water' and not, say, water they got out of a biohazard tank, it most certainly is harassment. The Alabama Womens Clinic Pro Choice Support Group is an independent body of volunteers invited by its Organizers on behalf of the Alabama Womens Center in Huntsville. Since volunteering to to escort clients and protect clinic staff and clients, we have been pushed, shoved, yelled at, hit over the head with one of their signs, had to take clients into the street because of the sidewalk being blocked by anti abortion protesters, called vile names, repeatedly told we are Satan & going to hell and threatened. We have photos, witnesses and video to back up everyone of our claims and we share them with HPD. She and her husband have been arrested many times for harassing clinic patients, volunteers and staff & there are more charges pending.
#78 Posted by chrisrooR (9027 posts) -
These freaks need to be banned and restricted to several hundred metres away from these clinics to protect their identities.